Michele Lundgren charged for role in 2020 election forgeries

[EastsideAl]

I’m surprised that she didn’t claim that she actually won “biggly” and that fraud, “the likes of which we’ve never seen before,” resulted in the election having been stolen.

Yeah, I was mildly surprised that she didn't do that. Lots of these fringe candidates make ridiculous fraud charges these days despite big double digit losses.

Like our friend Rocket above, many of these folks seem now to inhabit an alternate universe where facts and numbers and plainly observable reality don't matter at all. It's like some sort of bizarro mass delusion.

[Henry Whalley]

...Like our friend Rocket above, many of these folks seem now to inhabit an alternate universe where facts and numbers and plainly observable reality don't matter at all.

Agreed.

It may be true that less opinionated people lead happier lives. Acting-out her foolish opinions may land Michele Lundgren in prison -- a morality tale that illustrates why philosophers maintain that one is morally obliged to suspend belief regarding propositions for which there is little or no evidence.

The Ethics of Belief [[Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

It's good to not have an opinion about everything. On the other hand, each of us must choose sides in the unending war between good and evil. It's not complicated.

P.S. Clearly, Rocket comes across an unhappy man.

P.P.S. In the ancient war between good and evil, you'd think that people would know the difference by now.

[Henry Whalley]

16 Fake Trump Electors Face Felony Charges In Michigan [[theonion.com)

Story about Michigan fake electors scheme made the Onion, America's Finest News Source.

[Jimaz]

16 Fake Trump Electors Face Felony Charges In Michigan [[theonion.com)

Story about Michigan fake electors scheme made the Onion, America's Finest News Source.

Thanks for the chuckle. Now I'm wondering whether there is such a thing as a tattoo consultant. This world is just about weird enough for that to be true.

[Rocket]

Agreed.

It may be true that less opinionated people lead happier lives. Acting-out her foolish opinions may land Michele Lundgren in prison -- a morality


P.S. Clearly, Rocket comes across an unhappy man.

P.P.S. In the ancient war between good and evil, you'd think that people would know the difference by now.

Um, no.

You should note, that just because you destroy the evidence of a crime, doesn't mean a crime didn't happen.

As to "fake" electors, this lawsuit is bogus. AG's on both sides of the isle have said that.

Under our law, candidates contesting an election must take steps to preserve their standing.

Alternate slates of electors have been going on since the Kennedy admin. It's just that we haven't ever weaponized our justice system against our political opponents the way the left has lately.

And speaking of complaining about rigged elections, what about Hillary? She put us through 4 years of bogus Russia collusion because she didn't like the election results [and perhaps also to take attention off her own treason].

Now pres Biden seems to be doing the same. Trying to take attention away from his $17 million in bribes while VP, and from stealing classified docs out of the Skiff, etc.

Intelligent people see through it though. AG Nessel's case doesn't hold water. It will go away eventually. In the meantime, the leftist propaganda machine will keep repeating 'Dem good, GOP bad' all the way until the next election. Then they'll start again with something different.

Amazing how many times people fall for it though. There are people out there that still read Politico.

[Gistok]

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As to "fake" electors, this lawsuit is bogus. AG's on both sides of the isle have said that.

Is that a quote from a famous politician who uses... "everybody says that!"

[Henry Whalley]

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Is that a quote from a famous politician who uses... "everybody says that!"

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It's a fact. Look it up on truth social...

[Rocket]

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Is that a quote from a famous politician who uses... "everybody says that!"

No, from articles that quote the handful of AG's around the country who have commented on AG Nessel's charges, and how differing states have ways to deal with situations where the election results are unsure, but a certification date is fast approaching.

For instance, let's say we had more people in some areas of Michigan vote than were registered to vote, and that was AFTER the names of the dead and those that had moved out of state had been added back INTO the voter rolls. Normal is to have 50% - 80% of registered voters vote in any election, but to have 130% of registered voters vote in some age groups in Algonquin county let's say, what are the local electors to do?

Well, it can take a long time to figure out what the truth is, especially if the data in the voting machines has been illegally erased like it was there and in Arizona.

And if you don't at least present the alternate electors slate, it's all over. So since the late 50's, it has been normal practice to provide an alternate slate. They're not fake electors, and it's not forgery.

We just have an AG with neither morals nor shame, and who is willing to weaponize her office for political gain. Like the Clinton's did with the FBI and FISA Courts, and like Obama did before that with the IRS.

It's a minor blot on Michigan, but we've survived much worse. Like the '67 riots, or Clinton's NAFTA.

[RO_Resident]

For instance, let's say we had more people in some areas of Michigan vote than were registered to vote, and that was AFTER the names of the dead and those that had moved out of state had been added back INTO the voter rolls. Normal is to have 50% - 80% of registered voters vote in any election, but to have 130% of registered voters vote in some age groups in Algonquin county let's say, what are the local electors to do?

I would say, don't rely on "experts" like Russell Ramsland who made some of the original claims of overvotes.

Relying on him lead to a bunch of lawyers getting sanctioned in Michigan.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nWY...0mu/view?pli=1

The order chastises the lawyers for not questioning his obvious BS.

e) Counsel’s failure to inquire into Ramsland’s outlandish and easily debunked numbers


Plaintiffs’ counsel attached Ramsland’s affidavit to their pleadings to
support the assertion that hundreds of thousands of illegal votes were injected into Michigan’s election for President. [[See ECF No. 6-24.) In his affidavit, Ramsland refers to several statistical “red flag[s],” including: [[i) reports of 6,000 votes in Antrim County being switched from Former President Trump to President Biden and [[ii) 643 precincts in Michigan with voter turn-out exceeding 80% [[e.g., 460.51% in Zeeland Charter Township, 215.21% in Grout Township, Gladwin County, and 139.29% in Detroit). [[Id. at Pg ID 1573-74 ¶¶ 10, 11.)

[Dumpling]

For instance, let's say we had more people in some areas of Michigan vote than were registered to vote, and that was AFTER the names of the dead and those that had moved out of state had been added back INTO the voter rolls. Normal is to have 50% - 80% of registered voters vote in any election, but to have 130% of registered voters vote in some age groups in Algonquin county let's say, what are the local electors to do?

Well, it can take a long time to figure out what the truth is, especially if the data in the voting machines has been illegally erased like it was there and in Arizona.

In political and legal arenas, one can try to persuade by shouting louder or one can try to persuade using facts.

To try to persuade me, you will get further using facts. Let's take this Algonquin County you are referencing. Does it even exist? In which state? What are the names of its surrounding counties?

From there, supposing it does exist, which are the age groups in Algonquin County that voted at a 130% rate? Alongside this consideration, what is the Algonquin County population?

I have a sister who used to consistently vote Republican. More
than that, she loves all things Walt Disney, the movies, toys,
Disney World trips, all that. She's a big fan. I just don't see
her voting for DeSantis for President of the United States. Ever.

[Richard]

In political and legal arenas, one can try to persuade by shouting louder or one can try to persuade using facts.

To try to persuade me, you will get further using facts. Let's take this Algonquin County you are referencing. Does it even exist? In which state? What are the names of its surrounding counties?

From there, supposing it does exist, which are the age groups in Algonquin County that voted at a 130% rate? Alongside this consideration, what is the Algonquin County population?

I have a sister who used to consistently vote Republican. More
than that, she loves all things Walt Disney, the movies, toys,
Disney World trips, all that. She's a big fan. I just don't see
her voting for DeSantis for President of the United States. Ever.

Disney world has become a guide to picking future political candidates?

Thats exactly why they are being dropped down a notch,they penned a special deal back when they established,they are a separate government within the state.

If they want to build a parking garage,they can issue a taxpayer bond to pay for it with zero approval required from the actual taxpayers,as a private corporation.

They should stick to being the happiest place on earth instead of injecting themselves into politics while trying to dictate policy in the state.

They entered the kitchen and found it was hot then cried because they could not stand the heat.

It was common knowledge for decades that a majority of Disney world employees were gay,nobody cared until a few decided to use that as leverage in order to push a political agenda.

Ask the normal gay people that work at Disney if they approve of the shenanigans,as a majority they do not,they coexisted in the community for decades without a problem,actually were sone of my best customers,but it is like any other group,there are always a small majority of trouble makers that like to exploit others for their own gain.

2021 - 2022 450,000 people moved to the state of Florida almost as many as in 2020-2021.

That is like emptying the entire city of Detroit every 1.5 years.

But DeSantis is the problem?

Maybe people just have a problem with elected officials doing what they are supposed to be doing,representing the will of the people they represent.

Michigan for the last decade has been losing population more then they have gained,do you think at some point in time people will wake up and figure out what they are doing is not working and change it?

Under DeSantis Florida has been gaining 450,000 + residents per year ,last year Michigan had a net loss of 168,000.

It does not matter what side of the political fence you are on ,excluding commies and socialists,it’s the policies that matter and have the impact.

The governor that you would not support is in a state that is growing population,the governor that you support is in a state that is losing population,I do not think it is DeSantis that has the problem.

His opponent in the last election was probably somebody people can relate to and support more then DeSantis,he was busted in a motel room naked with a bunch of other men while doing drugs.

DeSantis is there because the best that the opposition had to offer was not what some would consider governor material,in some cities yea,prime candidate there and definitely electable.

[Richard]

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A man who runs the web domain for a Russian-allied country says he's been accidentally sent millions of US military emails for 10 years, including sensitive information like a general's travel itinerary

https://www.businessinsider.com/mill...ia-mali-2023-7


Not that a link matters,people would have to be capable of reading more then 6 words before getting lost.

The Department of Defense [[DoD) is aware of this issue and takes all unauthorized disclosures of Controlled National Security Information or Controlled Unclassified Information seriously,” Lt. Cmdr. Tim Gorman said in a statement to CNN earlier on Monday.

But yet it has been happening for 10 years

No different then when CISA,the agency tasked with protecting our country from terrorist cyber attracts,found out the cyber terrorists had hacked their systems and had been monitoring them for over 1 year.

I think we would be more concerned about how to deal with classified information that contains national security interests,then to be spending millions of taxpayer dollars going after who is dealing with classified information.

When it comes to national security and even voting machines connected to the internet,our adversaries know more about them then we do.