Hamtramck council bans LGBTQ flags on City Property

[canuck]

Skipping the usual suspects' rants and raves .....

My personal opinion is that the only fags to be flown on any government property at any level should be official government flags, national, state, county or municipality, and Veterans/POW/MIA . No statement flags of any kind, no matter the cause or reason.

Are you sure about the flying fags bit? Lol

[JBMcB]

Is it though? Religious extremists of any stripe have the same tendencies to overreact to anything that conflicts with their narrow world view.

An even more interesting take. So you believe that the Hamtramck city council is populated by religious extremists?

[southen]

An even more interesting take. So you believe that the Hamtramck city council is populated by religious extremists?

I think anyone who wants to use religion to govern people is an extremist.

[Richard]

Is it though? Religious extremists of any stripe have the same tendencies to overreact to anything that conflicts with their narrow world view. Just look at Rocket and Dick. Disagree with their conservative views and you’re a commie or fascist. Disagree with a christian world view and it’s you who is indoctrinating but not the other way around. It’s no different than a Muslim city council banning pride flags.

if god’s on our side who’s against us?

You apparently do not realize that you are accusing others of doing the exact same thing you are.

A Muslim city council did not ban pride flags,it made the decision that no flags would be flown outside of what was approved.

Pride flag supporters took that and ran with it as a personal attack because they think they should be a protected class and an exception to the established rule.

That’s it nothing more and nothing less.

Commies,fascist’s and socialists have zero place in a democratic society let alone a republic.

They are allowed to exist because they have the same protections that they oppose,guess what they also cannot fly their little commie or socialist flags on government property either.

For people that push inclusivity,they sure seem to go out of their way to remain exclusive.

You are no different towards the ones you oppose because the first thing you do out the gate is call them names or reach into the standard issue bag of cards and labels to pull out.

As much as people hate it,this country was founded on the freedom of religion and there is no law that says you have to agree with everybody and there should be no distinction between a Christian holding on to their values and a gay person holding on to their values.

But this is not about being Christian or gay,it’s about a decision to remain neutral when it comes to flags on government property and in response a bunch of immature adults stomping their feet in a temper tantrum demanding recognition like somebody that has low self esteem.

Nobody brought the anti gay or attack on gays into this but the rainbow community,they created a situation that did not exist and as par to the course tried to flip it around like it was everybody else’s fault.

Its not that complicated and there is zero middle ground,either everybody gets to display their flag of representation on government property or nobody does.

There is zero anti anybody or anything involved it does not even play a role in it.

[southen]

Oops I triggered Dick.

[canuck]

Oops I triggered Dick.

He’ll cool down soon enough.

He’s probably watching reruns of "The Apprentice" and harkens back to that time when the Donald was at the height of his powers.

[Richard]

Actually I prefer re-runs of the Andy Griffith show,so many people remind me of Barney Fife.

I will have to rely on your experiences of watching the apprentice,because I have never watched it,from what I see is one never really lost their powers because there still seems to be a lot that deem him a threat so much they allow him he to still live in their heads 24/7 making sure he starts relevant.

Its kinda interesting though,take a show like Archie Bunker or the Jeffersons and play them mainstream today and heads will explode

It seems like people were more tolerant back then with a live and let live attitude on some things while compulsive excessive on other things,nothing really changes does it decade after decade there is always something to get people fired up,if not then somebody will think of something.

[canuck]

Actually I prefer re-runs of the Andy Griffith show,so many people remind me of Barney Fife.

I will have to rely on your experiences of watching the apprentice,because I have never watched it,from what I see is one never really lost their powers because there still seems to be a lot that deem him a threat so much they allow him he to still live in their heads 24/7 making sure he starts relevant.

Its kinda interesting though,take a show like Archie Bunker or the Jeffersons and play them mainstream today and heads will explode

It seems like people were more tolerant back then with a live and let live attitude on some things while compulsive excessive on other things,nothing really changes does it decade after decade there is always something to get people fired up,if not then somebody will think of something.

I'll give you that much…

People are whiners, and some are more self centered than others.

Also, it's not every day a President refuses to step down at the end of a democratic process, and then provokes an attack on the Nation's parliamentary assemblies.

[Richard]

Missing the days of the queens rule EH?

parliamentary assemblies? It could be worse at least it did not take us until 1995 to figure out the Italian mafia was connected to the Italians

Canada does not have a stellar history of being all inclusive even more so when it comes to Jews and indigenous people even to this day I guess unwillingness to except has been a part of culture.

In the U.S. homosexuality for the most part is excepted.
In Arab countries they are jailed,shot or beat with rubber hoses in order to drive the gayness out of them.

African Americans for the most part are integrated into society.
Parts of Africa they are still being sold as slaves today.

Women can walk about in freedom and mingle with the men folk
In some countries they are required to cover the faces,walk paces behind their husbands and it is okay to beat them if they step out of line.

Children can attend school have excess to food and are protected
In other parts of the world they are forced into factories or deep into mines to work 18 hours a day and do not have excess to schools and food.

But yet people are quick to voice their distaste about this country and how oppressive it is and everybody hates everybody.

[canuck]

I am thinking you need to access a dikshenerry real quick.

[southen]

Welp, I guess you can't want the United States to improve on issues because we have it better than other countries. Glad that was settled.

I think the most telling of your hilarious points is that you mention kids have access to food in schools and are protected. Meanwhile 12% of kids are food insecure in the country, which doubles if you are one of those "integrated" African Americans, meaning that on weekends and during break many children are going to bed hungry. Then you know, the weekly school shootings we have... I guess we have different ideas on what "protected" means. But at least they aren't working long shifts in factories. They should be grateful.

[Richard]

That’s what you get for thinking nucky.

Interesting how this same issue has popped up in several cities in Canada.

Also interesting is all of these HOA places,lots of them in Florida established by northerners who like to control every aspect of peoples life also do not allow rainbow flags to be flown,people have taken them to court because not even the American flag was not allowed and won.

But yet nobody has ever sued a HOA for the ability to fly a rainbow flag,nobody has called HOA gay haters because they do not allow the flags.

Because it is excepted that because it is a HOA it has rules to follow Kinda No different then in government property,why the two sets of standards?

[Richard]

Welp, I guess you can't want the United States to improve on issues because we have it better than other countries. Glad that was settled.

I think the most telling of your hilarious points is that you mention kids have access to food in schools and are protected. Meanwhile 12% of kids are food insecure in the country, which doubles if you are one of those "integrated" African Americans, meaning that on weekends and during break many children are going to bed hungry. Then you know, the weekly school shootings we have... I guess we have different ideas on what "protected" means. But at least they aren't working long shifts in factories. They should be grateful.

You are not even posting a valid rebuttal.

Its not complicated,if the rainbow flag was allowed to fly at city hall would you oppose also allowing the confederate flag,the Star of David,the Muslim flag,the Nazi flag?

You cannot demand to be treated equally while denying others the same equality.

I understand that is a difficult concept to understand for commies and socialists because they are all about one person choosing who gets what rights to have and how individuals are to be treated.

In this country everybody is equal under the constitution and to be treated equal,so you cannot demand to be treated different then anybody else.

If the city hall flys the rainbow flag and I ask them if I can also fly the confederate flag and they say no.

I can get one of your billboard lawyers and sue them for violating my constitutional rights.

They may be Muslim immigrants but they sure seem to know how to follow the constitution a lot better then non immigrants.

If people learned what rights and protections they have under the constitution we would not be having 1/2 the issues we are having in this country,with race and policing and peoples rights,if you just read and understand that constitution there would be no need to be jumping up and down screaming that you are implementing social justice and changing the country.

All of that is already spelled out,it’s just that people are trying to make it up as they go along.

Forget about the federal level,how many locals are aware of the Michigan civil rights amendment that was passed March 16 2023 concerning the LGBYQ community?

[southen]

That's not interesting.

[southen]

Yes. Everyone left of you is a commie and socialist, therefore you can dismiss. I just saw a clip of how Trump wants to ban communists and socialists from entering the country, yet it is the left that are authoritarian....

I know you like comparing the pride flag to that of the nazi flag, but do you think there is any difference being that it is a group that has in the past been discriminated against by the government? Comparing symbols of hate in which millions died under, to a flag of a discriminated group whose flag symbolizes equality is pretty asinine. But hey, they got gay marriage a few years ago so they can deal with the bigotry since they aren't being beheaded.

[Richard]

Your still not making sense,it does not matter what trump or Biden or Joe blow wants,even you want me to shut up and go away,but once again you and them all still have to follow that pesky constitution.

People can say what ever they want,it’s on you to filter out the white noise and understand the difference between saying and having the actual ability to carry it out is the difference between night and day.

Your local politicians reminded us every day how they care about you and are looking out for your best interests and they cannot even swing a simple little supermarket or discuss transit issues,but yet vow to change society into a better place.

Thats what politicians do,they talk out of their rear ends,actions speak louder then words.

In your rebuttal you explain the reasons you personally oppose other symbols being displayed,what makes your reason more valid then somebody else opposing your choice of symbols?

1920 Hitler was looking for a flag design it’s requirements were that it had to be a “Symbol of our own struggle” .

You keep mentioning equality as your basis,how exactly do you achieve equality when you turn right around and want to be the one who decides who is allowed to be deemed equal.

Your reasons are no more valid then the ones you oppose,equality is a 2 headed coin,you have to except those that you oppose have the same level of equality that you do,otherwise you will never achieve it.

You do not have to like it or even agree with it,but you do have to respect it.

Otherwise you are not seeking equality,you are just looking to pick and choose who receives it according to a level of standards that you personally set.

As far as commies and socialists,if it walks like a duck,talks like a duck and acts like a duck it is a duck.

Ducks do not have the capability of identifying as a horse or a chicken,it will always be a duck.

So it holds as an example.

I think a lot of the issues arise from confusion,if somebody is gay they know they are gay and they know what they want and for the most part are comfortable with that,but now all of these other factions that are living in a state of confusion are attaching themselves under the umbrella of the gay community,that’s the ones that are creating all of the ruckus.

I think as a majority Americans could really care less if somebody is gay or not,as far as hatred towards the gays,welcome to the club,people hate on Jews,Italians,Polish,Germans,Asians,Canadians,nort herners,southerners,Catholic,Lutherans the list is endless,so suck it up.

The reality of it is it’s the straight female that still faces the highest level of inequality when it comes to sports,workplace and the corporate world so at what level of inequality is the base gay community facing?

[Danny]

An even more interesting take. So you believe that the Hamtramck city council is populated by religious extremists?

Compare that to Detroit when it become a fully African American City after 1975. Names of roads, and public school buildings had to be changed into famous black heroes.

[Danny]

LGBTQ folks is not a religion, its a sex cult, like NXIUM. Rising pass the Church of Scientology. They are modern Hippies and Flowerchildren ready to play with themselves in public.

They are ready to get out of their closets and fight for their rights all over the world. They will keep their eyes on the prize to sodomize the world. Even they to twist government and destroy traditional religious family values to do it. Harvey Milk did it all they way to Sen. Haley Stevens. But we will see their rainbows can do against the Christian Crosses, Moon and Star and Six Pointed Star.

[southen]

LGBTQ folks is not a religion, its a sex cult, like NXIUM. Rising pass the Church of Scientology. They are modern Hippies and Flowerchildren ready to play with themselves in public.

They are ready to get out of their closets and fight for their rights all over the world. They will keep their eyes on the prize to sodomize the world. Even they to twist government and destroy traditional religious family values to do it. Harvey Milk did it all they way to Sen. Haley Stevens. But we will see their rainbows can do against the Christian Crosses, Moon and Star and Six Pointed Star.

Dumbest thing ever uttered on this forum which is saying a lot.

[Danny]

Dumbest thing ever uttered on this forum which is saying a lot.

That's my opinion. Sexual revolution is the new civil right in America. But religious and state officials may to put a lid on it.

[southen]

That's my opinion. Sexual revolution is the new civil right in America. But religious and state officials may to put a lid on it.

Don't worry it didn't come off as anything close to factual.

[Wheels]

I REALLY don’t need to hear from the Danny and Richard peanut galleries about the meaning of Pride flags.

Because there is no meaningful purpose other than to push an agenda!

[oladub]

Is it though? Religious extremists of any stripe have the same tendencies to overreact to anything that conflicts with their narrow world view. Just look at Rocket and Dick. Disagree with their conservative views and you’re a commie or fascist. Disagree with a christian world view and it’s you who is indoctrinating but not the other way around. It’s no different than a Muslim city council banning pride flags.

if god’s on our side who’s against us?

How did Christians get into this discussion? The guys the voters of Hamtramck elected weren't Christian but they made a reasonable law basically only allowing government flags on government premises. Private businesses and individuals in Hamtramck can still display the flags of their choice. The US and State flags, unlike e.g. rainbow or Trump flags, unite everyone in the community.

[Henry Whalley]

How did Christians get into this discussion? The guys the voters of Hamtramck elected weren't Christian but they made a reasonable law basically only allowing government flags on government premises. Private businesses and individuals in Hamtramck can still display the flags of their choice. The US and State flags, unlike e.g. rainbow or Trump flags, unite everyone in the community.

Agreed, Hamtramck made the right decision. The hysteria is uncalled for; actually, it's nuts, but cults are nuts,

[Gistok]

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