Hamtramck council bans LGBTQ flags on City Property

[CassTechGrad]

Detroit stopped celebrating Columbus Day a few years and now Hamtramck say NO to this stuff. The founding fathers wanted the states to support different values and beliefs and then let the people decide where they should live and be happy.

[xrockerboy]

News article

https://www.wxyz.com/news/hamtramck-approves-ban-on-certain-flags-critics-view-it-as-attack-on-lgbtq-community

Important part.

“City leaders argue the resolution is not just about pride flags but all flags that are a symbol of any religious, racial, ethnic or political group.”

[Rocket]

The founding fathers wanted the states to support different values and beliefs..............

NO! They VERY MUCH did NOT.

Instead, they wanted the various governments to remain silent on issues such as these, neither supporting nor banning them [unless they interfered with the rights of others of course].

[Richard]

Yea the founding fathers were all about the federal government’s involvement in peoples life be as little intrusive as possible,that is why they gave the states individual powers to create laws that they could tailor to their states in a more democratic way,giving the power to the people who would have a say.

The problem happened when a certain party at the federal level decided that the rebel flag was offensive and set president for if and when it could be flown.

Which then opened the door for people to decide what they found offensive or not,if a flag is a symbol of expression or representation you have to allow others to express themselves if you want the same privilege.

If I remember correctly somebody or several were offend in that city not long ago because the next door neighbor placed a flag that offended them.

So it put the city in a position of,because you cannot pick or choose who can individually fly a flag of self expression,the only other step you can take is what they are doing,nobody gets to fly any flag outside of the American flag.

People are really short sited in their causes,the constitution guarantees every citizen equal rights so you cannot advocate the removal of one’s rights while expecting to retain yours.

I do not agree with the Nazi flag being flown in somebody’s yard,I agree with that individuals right to fly it in self expression,I do not agree with a rainbow flag being flown in somebody’s yard or across every bridge and building in the country,yea we get it,but if you want that right you also allow others to have the same rights and privilege.

The people forced the city into that position and they replied with the only logical and constitutional decision they can,just systematically ban everything equally.

No matter what flag one flys there will be somebody somewhere that will be offended,when you advocate for the removal of individual freedoms,you cannot come bitching and crying when you find out yours will also be removed in the process.

Imagine how the socialists and commies feel every time they pass an American flag,they would love to see that one go away and seem to have plenty of supporters that would advocate for it,but even their convoluted minds understand there will be a reaction that they will not be happy with,so when it comes to that it boils down to live and let live,if you do not want to do that you have to be prepared to accept what follows.

It baffles me that people want to live in a free country,but every time you turn around somebody is on a mission to systematically remove everybody’s individual freedoms.

[oladub]

The Daily Mail spiced up coverage of the Hamtramck restriction of flags on public property with its version of the story.

"Michigan city with all-Muslim council bans Pride flags on public property at bizarre council meeting in which LGBTQ couple kiss in front of shocked religious groups"

[Burnsie]

Misleading thread title. Everyone take a deep breath and actually read the article. It concerns flags on "city property," not private residences. The city just wants to be neutral and not fly any special interest flag.

**Misleading Thread Title has since been Amended by Moderator by adding "On City Property"**

[Richard]

In part, the resolution specifies that only the U.S., state, city and prisoners of war flags can be flown on city property, which is similar to a measure approved in 2013.


If it was already established in 2013 why the ruckus?

The resolution states it is about maintaining neutrality. But many see it as a blatant attack on the LGBTQ community

[Danny]

Good for the Hamtramck City Council to vote to keep the pride flag out of city business. This is not a religious, racial matter. This is immoral sex culture that does not fit in. Think of the children, is it ok to tell any kid under the age of 13 that discussing sexual culture that a boy can have a boyfriend or a girl to have a girlfriend? Or is it ok your kid and young adult can be transgender, or a sissyboy or a tomboy! Same Sex culture should be taught in a confines in a home or any private establishment. Some parents know when to draw the line when a kid wants to be LGBTQ. When they get older and their hormones pump up, then its the right time to discuss about sexual behaviors before they can get sensual.


In Hamtramck folks can have the constitutional right to hang their pride flags in their homes just not a city owned properties.

By the way during the meeting two Lesbians kissed each other in front of the mayor, city council and other folks who look in disgust. There were kids in that meeting and seeing that same sex kiss will shock them and they will ask their parents a question about same sex. Their future to commit to their mate rests in their hands.

[Satiricalivory]

^ The pride flag isn't "sex culture" .

[Richard]

The original did with a Pink band representing sexuality,it was removed and redesigned to include more diversity,I am thinking so the ones that are confused as to what their sex actually is will feel more welcome.

The guy or them that redesigned the flag while excluding the pink band had this to say

Daniel Quasar

"You can’t avoid the message as it is right there in front of you."

So that has been the mantra,people cannot keep it behind closed doors,they have to put in front of you as a way of forcing acceptance but no way in the world are they going to allow anybody to flip it back on them and force them to accept something they do not want to.

There is like 50 variations of the pride flag all depending on what your sexual preference is ,so yea it is about the “sex culture “ just ask Netflix or Amazon who figure no movie is complete with some kind of same sex boinking involved.

Anybody that includes children around anything where it relates to sexuality between adults are scumbags to begin with.

Thats a decision that should be made by people with a bit of maturity so they can understand it and not be doing it to be cool or think that is what is expected of them.

The constitution states all American citizens are to be treated equally,it is as inclusive as you can get,no where does it say any group that declares themselves as a special category of people is subject to special treatment over and above everybody else or can place extra demands on society in order to receive special treatment or recognition.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

I REALLY don’t need to hear from the Danny and Richard peanut galleries about the meaning of Pride flags.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

The“prisoner of war” flag is a special interest flag. So this policy carves out an exception for ONE sanctioned special interest category.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

It baffles me that people want to live in a free country,but every time you turn around somebody is on a mission to systematically remove everybody’s individual freedoms.

Does it baffle you that one political party is dedicated to eliminating reproductive freedoms?

[Danny]

^ The pride flag isn't "sex culture" .

Yes it is when it has LGBTQ on it.

[Danny]

I REALLY don’t need to hear from the Danny and Richard peanut galleries about the meaning of Pride flags.

This is not adult sexual revolution since the Harvey Milk Era of the 1970's. This is a matter of how governments want to accept the Pride Flag in their properties. LBGTQ flags can be hung outside of your homes, but not in governments or any religious organizations which it's deemed be inappropriate to the structure of families and children. Think of the children when they see Gays, Lesbians, sissyboys, drag queens, transgenders, bisexuals and bestialities hugging and kiss each other in public areas in front of children. Making them go to adult or parents asking those questions. And it's going to be very difficult responding them about sexual actions. For most parents, they will draw the line about how sexual education should be taught to them. I not going to tell a 6 to 15 year old boy or girl about strange sex so he can get pump out with homones and set into sexual fantasies especially into strange sex like homosexuality and their pride.

[Jimaz]

Danny, this marks the first time you've ever disappointed me.

I'll worry about this "gay flag issue" when I have to worry about being secretly heterosexual.

[Rocket]

In part, the resolution specifies that only the U.S., state, city and prisoners of war flags can be flown on city property, which is similar to a measure approved in 2013.

But many see it as a blatant attack on the LGBTQ community.

People who aren't sane anyway.

Imagine if The Ham decided to fly Christian flags in front of town hall. That would be offensive to the Muslims that live there.

NOT flying such a flag is the ONLY correct move.

[stasu1213]

I say the only flag that should be flown on city property is the American flag which represents the country that we are in. Swastikas, rebels flags, Black Power Flags, Rainbow Flags etc should only be flown within individuals private properties. I am against restaurants and businesses being forced to fly the Rainbow flag because it is not a national flag but a special interest flag. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs without being harassed or attacked. I don't think that one group flag should be pushed on all

[Zacha341]

^ Well stated. The whole 'who's' flag is flown has become another litmus test -- worse the crass assumptions made when not flown.

[JBMcB]

The“prisoner of war” flag is a special interest flag. So this policy carves out an exception for ONE sanctioned special interest category.

There's a federal law saying the POW/MIA flag must be flown at certain governmental sites. It doesn't cover non-federal places, but yeah, the POW/MIA flag gets special treatment.

[Richard]

The“prisoner of war” flag is a special interest flag. So this policy carves out an exception for ONE sanctioned special interest category.

By the end of the Vietnam War, more than 2,500 servicemembers were listed by the Department of Defense as Prisoner of War [[POW) or Missing in Action [[MIA). In 1979, as families of the missing pressed for full accountability, Congress and the president proclaimed the first National POW/MIA Recognition Day to acknowledge the families’ concerns and symbolize the steadfast resolve of the American people to never forget the men and women who gave up their freedom protecting ours. Three years later, in 1982, the POW/MIA flag became the only flag other than the Stars and Stripes to fly over the White House in Washington, D.C.
On August 10, 1990, Congress passed U.S. Public Law 101-355, designating the POW/MIA flag:

“The symbol of our Nation’s concern and commitment to resolving as fully as possible the fates of Americans still prisoner, missing and unaccounted for in Southeast Asia.”

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/...ate/powmia.pdf

Do you honestly believe it is a special interest group ?

It is one you can join easily enough,join the military to personally defend the rights you wish to deprive others of,get caputured and endure daily torture while holding steadfast to those convictions no matter how much pain is inflicted on you.

Even the Muslims can relate to that sense as a majority they come from countries where they would endure the same fate for simply having an opposing opinion in public.

I am sure it is a hard decision for them because in their country of origin just being gay is a death sentence,but they respect the country they choose to live in which is a country where you do not try and remove the rights of those you oppose while wishing to retain yours,something many and even more so on the west coast wish to make as the standard.

[Jimaz]

FWIW, I recently heard there's an effort to redesign the Michigan flag. Here's a recent article: Does Michigan need a new flag? One lawmaker says yes.

“After people began to hear that I might be working on this, people have sent me designs. Designs from everything from the automotive industry to something to do with our unique geography, trying to capture the motion of water and two peninsulas,” Skaggs said. “A lot of people are taking an aspect of our really cluttered current flag and accentuating one part of it. So you’ll see people take the elk and either keep the dancing elk, the elk up on its hind legs, or the antlers and using that as a symbol.”

• Rep. Phil Skaggs

[K-slice]

Government needs to stop concerning itself with "celebrating" their favorite minority groups and worry more about governing.

If some people didn't feel the need to constantly spout identity politics and make every day and every month revolve around those same identity politics, then other people feeling excluded wouldn't feel the need to fight back. Throw it all in the trash and go back to the days when January was just January, February was just February, and so on...

[CassTechGrad]

**Misleading Thread Title has since been Amended by Moderator by adding "On City Property"**[/QUOTE]

Thanks guys. I just cut/paste from the Free Press online story and tried to keep it short not intending to remove important information.

[Danny]

I say the only flag that should be flown on city property is the American flag which represents the country that we are in. Swastikas, rebels flags, Black Power Flags, Rainbow Flags etc should only be flown within individuals private properties. I am against restaurants and businesses being forced to fly the Rainbow flag because it is not a national flag but a special interest flag. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs without being harassed or attacked. I don't think that one group flag should be pushed on all

I agree with you. If Hamtramck approved the LGBTQ pride flags, we might as well approve the the BLM, Swastika, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Klan flags, too. Hamtramck City Council did the right thing. It's democracy doesn't matter if this city went from Catholic-Christian city to Muslim and Hindu majority city. They are following the U.S. Constitution of checks and balances of the amendments.