Will You USE Blended Ethanol Gas in Your Car? Will it help?

**Richard** · October-30-23, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by MikeM

At that rate, all 4500 gas stations in Michigan will be selling E15 by the year 6700. Like I said on page one: not worried about E15. Can't buy it here even if I wanted to but my car can handle it, nonetheless. No diatribe needed.

diatribe

a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something:

My apologies if I offended E15s feelings,at least I did not blow it up in a combustion chamber and spit it out the back,maybe there is a local E15 support group there one can recommend ?

Good to know that you,one person out of 10 million in the state,are personally accommodated.

**Richard** · November-13-23, 09:05 AM

It’s a hedge though is it not?

Most probably do not remember the gas shortages in the 70s,and if you notice it gains support when gas prices are high.

It’s that card you pull when others think they have you over a barrel and allows the output to increase while using less petroleum,it’s basically stretching a gallon into 1.5 gallons,across the broader scope of a country it translates into billions of gallons and offsets the economic impact that high fuel costs brings.

One could take it off the table completely,but the next time the cost of fuel increases we end up with little choice but to reach deep.

**canuck** · November-13-23, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

It’s a hedge though is it not?

Most probably do not remember the gas shortages in the 70s,and if you notice it gains support when gas prices are high.

It’s that card you pull when others think they have you over a barrel and allows the output to increase while using less petroleum,it’s basically stretching a gallon into 1.5 gallons,across the broader scope of a country it translates into billions of gallons and offsets the economic impact that high fuel costs brings.

One could take it off the table completely,but the next time the cost of fuel increases we end up with little choice but to reach deep.

Don’t reach deep, just wide. Do like in Alberta where it takes a gallon to produce two gallons of petroleum. Don’t even look at how much water you use to steam it out of the tar sands.

**Richard** · November-13-23, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by canuck

Don’t reach deep, just wide. Do like in Alberta where it takes a gallon to produce two gallons of petroleum. Don’t even look at how much water you use to steam it out of the tar sands.

But yet push EVs with zero consideration as to the environmental damage it is doing.

When you use steam,you heat up water into steam,when the steam cools down it turns back into water.

In 2019 alone Google used 2.9 billion gallons of water for 3 data centers,California has 248 data centers alone,50 in Michigan.

I will let you do the math on water usage required for green energy development that is stacked on top of those data centers.

There are countries where every person and household is dependent strictly on the use of cisterns and the collection of rain fall,but when you become a nation of consumers,that’s all you do is consume resources.

**Honky Tonk** · November-13-23, 02:20 PM

If anyone feels like some reading, look up black lake China. I like the article by the BBC. It'll give you some insight into what happens with all this green tech we're now using.

**jcole** · November-14-23, 12:30 PM

It's the sludge left after rare earth mining, which mines minerals used in all tech, not just green tech. What does that have to do with ethanol? What's more disturbing is that it's ruining the areas regular water supply.

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

If anyone feels like some reading, look up black lake China. I like the article by the BBC. It'll give you some insight into what happens with all this green tech we're now using.

**Zacha341** · March-27-24, 09:01 AM

Well gas prices are heading back up, UP [$3.89 at the gas station on Woodward and Forest yesterday evening]!

Good times at the pump. Thankfully our cars don't take the high octane gas and one is a small compact car!

When possible we gas-up in Dearborn which tends to be about 40 cent lower. We'll see how that goes today.

**Honky Tonk** · March-27-24, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Well gas prices are heading back up, UP [$3.89 at the gas station on Woodward and Forest yesterday evening]!

Good times at the pump. Thankfully our cars don't take the high octane gas and one is a small compact car!

When possible we gas-up in Dearborn which tends to be about 40 cent lower. We'll see how that goes today.

MI Ave. & Greenfield was at $3.28 a few days ago. The Total on MI Ave., just East of Greenfield, was at $3.29. 8 Mile, East of Telegraph, had 2 stations, one a BP, at $3.14 Saturday.
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**Zacha341** · March-27-24, 09:23 AM

^ I'm nearly on E heading to that Greenfield/ Michigan station shortly.

Prices are probably near 4 dollars in say Troy or Rochester. Or that downtown Detroit station at Jefferson and the 75 exit!

Closer to the refineries is lower [heading downriver such as Dearborn]!

**Jimaz** · March-27-24, 09:42 AM

detroitgasprices.com shows $2.45 at Meijer, 1005 E 13 Mile Rd & Milton Ave. 24 hours ago but that almost seems too good to be true.

**Richard** · March-27-24, 04:04 PM

You guys are lucky ours is at $3.69 and tops out at $4.38 premium,the strange part is Diesel is $3.79 where it is usually $1 more than regular gas .

**Zacha341** · March-27-24, 07:57 PM

I make sure not to purchase cars that take premium gas! No way.

It was crazy at the small station at Michigan near Greenfield. Almost backed up on Michigan Ave for bit. I had my tiny-tot car and able to slide up to a pump.

Regular gas was $3.29 cash.

**ABetterDetroit** · March-27-24, 08:33 PM

There is a lot of misinformation floating around mostly because of politics. Anyway, as always the prices at the pump has to do with high demand and demand is always high when the economy is doing well.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...w-to-OPEC.html

**MikeM** · April-12-24, 07:14 AM

Insightful blog that can be read free of charge for a week:

Unintended Consequences - Plan To Boost E15 Gasoline Will Have Big Impact On Refiners, Retailers, Drivers

The Environmental Protection Agency has approved a request by governors from eight Corn Belt states to remove a summertime waiver for Reid Vapor Pressure [[RVP) included in the Clean Air Act [[CAA) for E10 gasoline, a 90/10 blend of petroleum-derived gasoline blendstock and ethanol. The motive for the governors’ request was a desire to increase sales of E15 gasoline and, by extension, boost ethanol/corn demand by putting it on the same summertime footing as E10. In granting the approval, the EPA conceded that the distribution system wasn’t ready for the change. In today’s RBN blog, we look at the decision and the impact it will have on refiners, retailers and drivers, and how it is likely to work against the Biden administration’s plans to keep a lid on gasoline prices...

Michigan is not one of the eight states

**Richard** · April-15-24, 01:11 PM

From my post March 27 our mid grade has gone up to $4.10

Gotta get the votes from the corn husker states.

Which is getting interesting when it comes to those belt states and farmers,water - they are putting meters on people’s wells and charging.

Forcing anybody who has a farm animal to have a waste containment system for them.

Even if you have one,chicken,cow,pig,goat etc it will cost you $100k to build the system,which is interesting to see how it will effect Michigan farmers in the future,they may just take the lead in corn production.