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    Using a food source as fuel is a terrible idea. I'm 90% sure this is trying to prop up the corn industry as fewer companies are using corn syrup as a sweetener. If the price of corn goes down, you grow something different.

    As for if I'll be using it, definitely not. I drive a plug-in hybrid, and I use so little gas I end up using the ICE just to burn off the old gas every couple of months. The high-ethanol gas decomposes much faster than the low-ethanol gas. My wife's car is a diesel truck, so again, definitely not.

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    Will not be using it.

    It increases oil consumption [as it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol, and then your car gets about 5% less mileage with ethanol blend].

    It also increases smog, especially when it's warm out, which is why many states ban it's use in Summer.

    Also, we further strip the nutrients out of the soil growing all the extra crops.

    And we use up huge amounts of potable water to irrigate the corn crops.

    It's bad for older cars and power equipment.

    And increases cost.


    So it
    - increases the demand for oil,
    - increases pollution,
    - is bad for the soil
    - increases the use of fresh water
    - and is bad for cars that aren't flex fuel.
    - And makes gas more expensive.

    So in typical Pres Biden fashion, he creates a problem, then makes it even worse with one of his 'solutions'.
    Last edited by Rocket; April-14-22 at 09:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    Will not be using it.

    It increases oil consumption [as it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol, and then your car gets about 5% less mileage with ethanol blend].

    It also increases smog, especially when it's warm out, which is why many states ban it's use in Summer.

    Also, we further strip the nutrients out of the soil growing all the extra crops.

    And we use up huge amounts of potable water to irrigate the corn crops.

    It's bad for older cars and power equipment.

    And increases cost.


    So it
    - increases the demand for oil,
    - increases pollution,
    - is bad for the soil
    - increases the use of fresh water
    - and is bad for cars that aren't flex fuel.
    - And makes gas more expensive.

    So in typical Pres Biden fashion, he creates a problem, then makes it even worse with one of his 'solutions'.
    Of course it wasn't a problem when Donald Trump pumped it to buy votes, lol!

    And it wasn't a problem when President Bush enacted the ethanol mandate in the first place.

    And it won't be a problem now, since you can't really buy it around here.

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    Yeah, they sell quite a bit of it in Iowa, home of corn.
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Of course it wasn't a problem when Donald Trump pumped it to buy votes, lol!

    And it wasn't a problem when President Bush enacted the ethanol mandate in the first place.

    And it won't be a problem now, since you can't really buy it around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Of course it wasn't a problem when Donald Trump pumped it to buy votes, lol!

    And it wasn't a problem when President Bush enacted the ethanol mandate in the first place.
    I certainly didn't say that. Didn't even infer it.

    It's always been corrupt. The system forces it.

    The extra icing on the cake this time is that the Pres had the nerve to say it will LOWER gas prices. He actually said that, on national tv! LOL


    [Anything to mask the 8.5% inflation number that came out yesterday. At this rate we'll hit 13.5 by December.]
    Last edited by Rocket; April-14-22 at 03:47 PM.

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    Yeah-ahh. You don't have to be a GOP Trump-a-votin' devotee to acknowledge this pattern!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    ...So in typical Pres Biden fashion, he creates a problem, then makes it even worse with one of his 'solutions'.
    Last edited by Zacha341; April-14-22 at 06:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    Will not be using it.

    It increases oil consumption [as it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol, and then your car gets about 5% less mileage with ethanol blend].
    This is just flat out wrong. It takes more than 2 gallons of petroleum to make a gallon of gasoline. So if you're right that it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make ethanol, then it uses HALF the amount of petroleum, not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detmsp View Post
    This is just flat out wrong. It takes more than 2 gallons of petroleum to make a gallon of gasoline. So if you're right that it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make ethanol, then it uses HALF the amount of petroleum, not more.
    Petrol yield is 70% from Texas Sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detmsp View Post
    This is just flat out wrong. It takes more than 2 gallons of petroleum to make a gallon of gasoline. So if you're right that it takes slightly more than a gallon of petroleum to make ethanol, then it uses HALF the amount of petroleum, not more.

    They use the rest of the gallon of petroleum to make other things.

    Think Diesel, Jet Fuel, Asphalt, Plastics, some of the clothes you may be wearing, etc.

    Using more than a gallon of diesel for instance to make a gallon of ethanol is insane. And that's before you factor in that ethanol is less dense, meaning we actually increase our use of petroleum by perhaps 15% in doing it.

    Also we further strip the land of the necessary minerals that are supposed to be in our food, and we waste horrific amounts of water irrigating crops used for ethanol, while many places are having water shortages.

    Destructive insanity, whose only purpose is to get votes for politicians in Iowa's early primary.
    Last edited by Rocket; November-13-23 at 07:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket View Post
    They use the rest of the gallon of petroleum to make other things.

    Think Diesel, Jet Fuel, Asphalt, Plastics, some of the clothes you may be wearing, etc.

    Using more than a gallon of diesel for instance to make a gallon of ethanol is insane. And that's before you factor in that ethanol is less dense, meaning we actually increase our use of petroleum by perhaps 15% in doing it.

    Also we further strip the land of the necessary minerals that are supposed to be in our food, and we waste horrific amounts of water irrigating crops used for ethanol, while many places are having water shortages.

    Destructive insanity, whose only purpose is to get votes for politicians in Iowa's early primary.

    Plus, as posted earlier, your mileage will go down using an Ethanol blend. So, you're getting fewer mpg, filling up more frequently, and the environmental impact problems increase.
    Last edited by Honky Tonk; November-13-23 at 08:51 AM.

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