Will You USE Blended Ethanol Gas in Your Car? Will it help?

[MikeM]

But you won't because A) most stations don't have the infrastructure to deliver it. Of course you don't know that since you live in Russia and have never visited Detroit, and B) you don't have to stick the E15 pump in your tank.

[Richard]

But you won't because A) most stations don't have the infrastructure to deliver it. Of course you don't know that since you live in Russia and have never visited Detroit, and B) you don't have to stick the E15 pump in your tank.

Most stations do not have the infrastructure to deliver E15 ?

You went out of your way to pathetically try and make me look bad,then you post a statement like that?

You apparently never visited reality.

2011 EPA provided a waiver to sell E15 for vehicles 2001 and up,if you actually read what I posted Michigan is passing the service rebate beginning 2023 so gas stations receive a tax credit for every gallon sold,they can sell that tax credit for cash to other businesses that need the credits.

If you are a gas station,what are you going to sell,gas that gives you cash back in your pocket over and above what the consumer is paying you or keep E10 for the small percentage of the population that actually still drives a 2001 model year or less?

The way you respond,my guess as a business,you would retain the E10 capabilities for the small amount of customers left that are still driving 20 plus year old cars.

The whole object of being in business is to make profit,nobody is going to throw free money away that you will be receiving for a product that you are selling anyways.

I know it may be a mental stretch for you to comprehend the only thing they need for infrastructure is to drain the current E10 tanks and fill them up with E15 and change the little stickers on the pumps.

But sense you live in Detroit maybe you can tell us how special it is to have the only gas stations in existence that nobody else in the entire world has.

I do not need live in Detroit to comprehend they have gas stations that currently pump gasoline No different then any other gas station in the world.

But sense I do not live in Detroit I will be waiting for you to explain to me that Detroit is the only city in the world with their own little special gas pumps.

That has to be the most lame brain statement in the world

You do not live in Detroit so you do not know.

Maybe you should get out some and visit other cities in the country,nothing in Detroit is no different then any other city,it’s not some city where it is a bubble within its self.

Hate to break it to you.

According to you I will not be able to visit Detroit anyways because sense you have your own little special gas pumps that nobody else in the world has,I would not be able to purchase fuel for my Florida car.

I would have to rent a special Detroit car that only uses special Detroit gas stations and not even be able to visit anything outside of the city unless I fill up in the city first and do not go outside of the range of the rental,because nobody else will have those special little gas pumps.

[Rocket]

Most stations do not have the infrastructure to deliver E15 ?

You went out of your way to pathetically try and make me look bad,then you post a statement like that?

You apparently never visited reality.

I was thinking,

Won't they just be replacing our E-10 with E-15, and then putting an E-15 sticker on the fuel-grade button?

I don't think we're gonna have a choice to use or not use E-15.

Perhaps not all stations will choose to. Or will they even have a choice?

[Richard]

I was thinking,

Won't they just be replacing our E-10 with E-15, and then putting an E-15 sticker on the fuel-grade button?

I don't think we're gonna have a choice to use or not use E-15.

Perhaps not all stations will choose to. Or will they even have a choice?

I think that was the whole reason they are offering the tax credits to the service stations,because the service stations will steer people to what they will make profit in which will be E15.

Next they will do the same thing with E85,they will stop selling premium and use that tank for the E85,E85 is for flex fuel cars,they already know they cannot meet the EV deadline so it will be EVs and flex fuel hybrid cars as a majority.

Remember when California had their cash for clunkers program way back when,they did that to remove the older vehicles from the road and incentivize people to buy new cars that met emission standards at that time.

I think it will be like it now as availability,some stations sell low,mid grade,premium and high test in that case it will most likely be mid grade,E15,E85.

Because they will not have to add more tanks or change pumps out,just do the switch over when the existing tanks runs dry.

For us WaWA is the only station that sells straight gas outside of a marina and not every one,but Florida has a massive boating base so it may be profitable to them whereas elsewhere maybe not.

Right now it is $4.85 per gallon which is the same as I pay for high test.

I think that is the long term goal in all of this,just make it so expensive to own a ICE vehicle that people will not have a choice but to switch.

The only outlier in all of that is E gas attacks rubber hoses,most hoses sold anymore are rated for E gas.

But are they rated at the 10% level and not at 15% ? I do not know that one.

But what caused the service station superfunds was a 90 degree hose that went at the bottom of the service station in ground tanks,what happened was they deteriorated and allowed the fuel to soak into the water tables.

It cost billions to clean all of that up,now here we are 30 years later and the elephant in the room is was those 90s replaced with E rated rubber because if they were not and the switch is made to E15 - E85 which will increase the risk,we may now be in the early stages of the next environmental disaster that will cost billions more and wipe out a majority of the existing gas stations like it did back in the 70s.

In the 70s I could still buy 105 octane to run in my 60s GTO,now you cannot find it outside of a random Sunoco who caters to the race crowd.

I think the rest will go the same way,they will just phase it out.

But they are still building new performance vehicles that require premium fuel in 2022,can’t imagine running a hellcat or new corvette on low grade fuel,unless they can.

The irony of E15 is while you save a few cents per gallon at the pump you will be making up for it in dollars at the grocery store because the cost of fertilizer has tripled in the process and the demand for corn will grow which increases the need for fertilizer.

Which is Round Up brand,so once again in order to drive costs down and save the planet we are going to triple the use of toxic products that will be dumped into the environment at a faster pace.

So we are right back to killing the planet at a faster rate,in order to save it.

It just makes no sense the way they are going about it,while wasting billions in taxpayer dollars and increased costs on those who can least afford it,even making those who currently can,less likely to be able to in the future.

Corn is used to make sucrose,which is used in just about every food product we consume so E15 is really a zero sum game,well,actually will drive up costs at the supermarket.

Here is a link that explains a lot,and says that existing gas station infrastructure is currently rated up to E100.

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publication/e15_infrastructure.pdf

But that is only stations that have switched their tanks out mid 80s and up and mostly not in aged urban centers because there are still thousands of operating gas stations that have not changed their tanks out because the superfund ran out of money.

When you see older gas stations that have a little square fenced in building in the back or on the side and has a vent sticking out of the top,that unit has a pipe sunk into the ground and is sucking the gasoline vapors out of the soil because their tanks are leaking fuel into the soil.

They are also monitoring the fuel flow through the water table,Detroit it will naturally flow to the river,that is how they determine if the leaking tanks are a hazard to the public and if the station needs to be immediately shut down,is by the flow of gasoline in the water table plume.

Us older folk will remember when there used to be a filter on the side of the gas pumps,that was to filter the sand out of the gas as it was sucked up through the leaking rubber 90s.

Thats why you never ever rent or buy an X service station without checking with the city and EPA and find out if and when the tanks were removed and if the soil is contaminated otherwise at any given second they can shut you down a force you to clean it up,that’s over $100,000 minimum if you own it and if you rent it,you need to move with no notice.