Protesters in Canada block Ambassador Bridge

[JonWylie]

I would think fascism plays more into it with the vaccine passport requirements in Canada and the US in order to enter businesses,even more so when they know the vaccine does not stop or reduce the spread.

That statement is easily proven false and again, completely discredits your entire argument. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lie to people like this, but anyone with access to Google can prove it false.

Study on Vaccine Effectiveness

Another Study

Another Study

I'm sure there's plenty of valid arguments to be made against requiring the vaccine, but saying it doesn't work is not one of them and is just a lie.

[Rocket]

That statement is easily proven false and again, completely discredits your entire argument. I'm not sure why you feel the need to lie to people like this, but anyone with access to Google can prove it false.

Study on Vaccine Effectiveness

Another Study

Another Study

I'm sure there's plenty of valid arguments to be made against requiring the vaccine, but saying it doesn't work is not one of them and is just a lie.

Those highly questionable government studies are from last Summer, and deal with the Delta variant.

The experimental genetic therapies for the Alpha variant do very little against Omicron, which is almost 100% of what we are dealing with this year.

Regarding Omicron, the science shows that there is no reason for a mandate, especially as it concerns children.

[Richard]

Saying I am spreading lies,so I guess the current administration is a bunch of liars also?

ATLANTA [[KMOX) -- CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ore/ar-AASDndg

So you are the one that flat out lied and spread false information in order to bolster your argument and if you had access to Google it would have shown you that with out the need to be libel.

[JonWylie]

Saying I am spreading lies,so I guess the current administration is a bunch of liars also?

ATLANTA [[KMOX) -- CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ore/ar-AASDndg

So you are the one that flat out lied and spread false information in order to bolster your argument and if you had access to Google it would have shown you that with out the need to be libel.

That quote doesn't say what you think it says, plus there's no indication of where that information is coming from. Everyone knows the vaccine can't stop the transmission completely, but you said it doesn't stop or reduce spread, which I've supplied evidence to refute.

[CassTechGrad]

“All protests are equal but some are more equal than others” from George Orwell's novel Animal Farm.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Animal Farm? Equal indeed!

Um, eh - don't mention that book - it may soon be on the banned "For our best interests...' list.

Oh and of course for our 'safety' as well. So it will be argued.

[Henry Whalley]

That statement is easily proven false... anyone with access to Google can prove it false.

Speak of the devil: "When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44

Truth can't reach Richard where he fell in the post-factual world.

[Rocket]

Truth can't reach Richard where he fell in the post-factual world.

Actually, in this case it's Jon that is in the wrong, and knowingly posting misleading information.

Jon is using a straw-man argument by referencing articles from last Summer about the Delta variant.

Of course no one is talking about Delta anymore.

The current situation is Omicron, and there's no evidence the experimental gene therapy does anything at all to lower the transmissibility of Omicron.

In fact the opposite seems to be true, where vax'd people are less likely to know they have it, and therefore are responsible for most of the spread.

[JonWylie]

Actually, in this case it's Jon that is in the wrong, and knowingly posting misleading information.

Jon is using a straw-man argument by referencing articles from last Summer about the Delta variant.

Of course no one is talking about Delta anymore.

The current situation is Omicron, and there's no evidence the experimental gene therapy does anything at all to lower the transmissibility of Omicron.

In fact the opposite seems to be true, where vax'd people are less likely to know they have it, and therefore are responsible for most of the spread.

Not at all what's happening. First of all, all variants are still active so to act as if we're making policy as it relates to one specific one is foolish, but for the sake of argument, I'll accept that we're only talking about omicron. There are still multiple studies that point to the effectiveness of the vaccine in limiting the spread.

Here's one that was published like 3 weeks ago.

News Article on it

There are some serious problems with other vaccines worldwide that don't use the mRNA technology and their lack of effectiveness to Omicron, but the most popular vaccines here are the mRNA two dose + booster. If we want to get into whether or not vaccines truly help limit the overall spread and whether or not there should be mandates, that's a whole other conversation.

The statement that vaccines do not reduce the spread is still a false statement. They absolutely have been shown to reduce transmission by multiple studies over the past year. Maybe a new study will come out tomorrow and call those into question, but until that's been provided, the statement is still false.

[Rocket]

Hmmm, I can't see either of those articles.

Do the articles reference the real world? Or a lab?

Real world results seem to be far different than what the government and the vax manufacturers are claiming.

Per example
Let's say that the vaccine reduces infection rate by 31% in the first 2 months after a booster, and say 5% after that, and perhaps also reduces transmissibility by 20%. Ok, you should have a 6% reduction in spread. Fine.

BUT, we haven't factored in the fact that the 69% of vax'd that still end up getting infected are much less likely to KNOW they're infected [and contagious], and so these people attend parties, school, church, protests, sporting events, concerts etc, and infect far more than the unvax'd population, who are more likely to know to test or stay home.

In the end, who spreads it more?

And we haven't even factored in the many vaccine side effects as documented by DMED and VAERS


Is there proof enough to impose totalitarian mandates?

[Henry Whalley]

Is there proof enough to impose totalitarian mandates?

Again, there are no mandates. Truckers are free to find other jobs. No one's building gulags or death camps for the unvaccinated. Get a grip...

[Gistok]

Truth can't reach Richard where he fell in the post-factual world.

He's not totally to blame for that... partly because his search engines [[and "The Google") have slanted his results far to the right... so the right wing results pop up first. That is of course no different for those of us who don't follow Fox, OANN and Newsmax... those results don't show up near the top in online searches for us.

[Richard]

He's not totally to blame for that... partly because his search engines [[and "The Google") have slanted his results far to the right... so the right wing results pop up first. That is of course no different for those of us who don't follow Fox, OANN and Newsmax... those results don't show up near the top in online searches for us.

So it stands to reason your search engines slant your results to the far left,like Marxist Today,The New York Socialist Times,The Dictator Review,The Young Turks etc.

How do you know,as you are projecting,what content Fox,Newsmax and OANN is showing if you do not watch them?

You do not need to because all you are really doing is parroting what you are told,but that is society,some can think for themselves while others need to be taken by the hand and guided along.

But I do not blame you because as you have said,you are highly educated,which means you have been systematically indoctrinated devoid of the ability to think outside of the lines and stay within the comfort zone of where you are directed.

That’s why most highly educated automatically think they are superior then everybody else,because they told you that knowing full well you would be incapable of figuring it out by yourself,so they instructed you how to think and become easily manipulated simply by instructing you to follow.

They do not teach you to lead with self thought they teach you to follow the doctrine that they provide for you,which is what you are doing.

Even down to simple labels of those who you do not agree with,zero self thought,just repeating what you are ordered to repeat.

They taught you that being a puppet is normal and anybody that is not also a puppet is not normal,I guess once one has been programed there is no turning back,there is no reset button that would put you back on the path of normalcy so I guess you are just stuck in the hamster wheel incapable of self thought and just resigned to continually repeating what your are directed to or told.

Kinda like a parrot my neighbor used to have,you could teach it words and it would repeat them,but it was totally incapable of creating its own words.

Sense you keep parroting that I am providing FOX news,OANN and Newsmax links,all you have to do is provide one example of where I have ever posted using those sources.

That in itself defies logic because IF I used Google for search as you claim,the last thing that pops up is anything from the sources that you claimed I “watch” because searches do not pull up sources that I watch.

You probably use Google because that is what you were told to use and it would be beyond your scope of comprehension to seek alternatives.

You do realize you can use an encrypted VPN for your search’s which makes it pretty hard for the search engines to think for you?

But as we see,some need others to think for them.

AI is going to be a culture shock to the,ummm,highly educated in this country as it progresses,you are becoming obsolete,even now a 6 year old can pull up on their phone in seconds what you spent years and thousands of dollars in order to gain knowledge on any subject in the world,and in any language.

You have been replaced by an Apple,so it does not matter how much you tow the line, a 3x6 black box made in China will beat you every time

[Henry Whalley]

...["The Google"]... Fox, OANN and Newsmax... those results don't show up near the top in online searches for us.

False idols. He bears complete responsibility for his studied banality and willful ignorance. It's not so difficult to know the facts -- it's easier than ever.

[night-timer]

Every vaccine for every ailment carry some degree of risk, including the coronavirus vaccine, hence the tendency of some people to avoid getting vaxxed. [[It just depends on individual reaction. Some people can't even take aspirin.)

But the coronavirus is a risk to us, as well.

So, it is a matter of 'personal politics' whether you take the risk of having a bad reaction to a vaxx, or risk catching the virus itself.

That becomes more difficult when the unvaxxed are told that they "pose a threat to everyone around them".

I don't think vaccination has been the answer to this problem. Even taking the vaccination will not entirely prevent you catching it, spreading it, or getting sick from it. This is a fact.

[Lowell]

Here is an informative read of key players in the protests from the Canadian ctvnews website.

Who is who? A guide to the major players in the trucker convoy protest
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...test-1.5776441

[Scottathew]

I don't think vaccination has been the answer to this problem.

You don't think a vaccine, that nearly eliminates the chance of severe illness and death to a highly contagious disease, is an answer to it?

It's sad how much brain-washing has been done in this country. People believe in sky-God miracles from thousands of years ago written in a book and translated 10 times over, but don't believe the facts in front of their eyes with regard to COVID 19, how many it has killed, and how the vaccine is able to prevent it with very little risk.

914,000 dead Americans and counting.

[Jimaz]

Here is an informative read of key players in the protests from the Canadian ctvnews website.

Who is who? A guide to the major players in the trucker convoy protest
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...test-1.5776441

So someone is kicking butt and taking names. Well, at least taking names. It's a Canadian thing.

A committee has been formed to determine how to kick butt, politely.

[Jimaz]

Just in, one lane is being opened, {both ways? at least into Canada}, on the Ambassador.

[Henry Whalley]

...how many it has killed, and how the vaccine is able to prevent it with very little risk.

914,000 dead Americans and counting.

Not to mention the fact that unvaccinated morons who contract COVID occupy hospital beds needed by patients who require treatment for unpreventable diseases, transplants, etc. It is pure selfishness motivated by stupid politics.

[jcole]

Yes, in anticipation of a judge making a ruling due at noon. The truckers are hoping this keeps the judge for ruling that they have to disband.

Just in, one lane is being opened, {both ways? at least into Canada}, on the Ambassador.

[Richard]

Here is an informative read of key players in the protests from the Canadian ctvnews website.

Who is who? A guide to the major players in the trucker convoy protest
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...test-1.5776441

People keep referring to it as a trucker convoy,which to an extent it is,but as usual what one sees on the surface it just a small part of it all.

They have world wide support,when you watch the convoy procede,they had thousands of supporters who lined the over passes,many who had never even driven a truck in the first place.

When the GO fund me was shut down,another one was also used in it place,which the Canadian government has also shut down after raising an additional 8 million,interesting how in the past even when cities were burning,none of those protest groups lost fund raising abilities.

There are also people live streaming,as they do with every protest,this is the first protest where there have been massive buffering issues that is interrupting the streams.

That is taken right out of Chinas playbook where the first thing they do is shut down the internet.

They have not technically shut it down,but they shure can have it throttled.

If there are an estimated 80 plus million in the US that also opposes the mandates,they can still show support and not even be related to the trucking industry.

There is a convoy of support being organized in the U.S. just as there have been convoys of support across the world.

Even if Canada removes the vaccine requirement,the United States has a vaccine requirement for foreigners legally entering the country,so they still would not be allowed to cross the border.

The Supreme Court has also ruled that OSHA does not have a legal authority to enforce a mandate but heath centers can.

Strangely enough,the Canadian mandate was scheduled to kick in on January 22 - a few weeks before Reuters ran an article saying the the Canadian government had come to terms and was no longer going to enforce the mandate.

The Canadian government then stepped up and said that was not the case,why would Reuters go through all of that to supply that article if it was false ? They are not exactly known for supplying fake news.

[Richard]

Not to mention the fact that unvaccinated morons who contract COVID occupy hospital beds needed by patients who require treatment for unpreventable diseases, transplants, etc. It is pure selfishness motivated by stupid politics.

That is not a fact,it is repeating what you are told without question.

Go visit a few hospitals and see for yourself,I was in the hospital non COVID related,they had a COVID ward but the rest of the hospital was fully functioning with business as usual.

My sister has monthly appointments at Mayo in Minneapolis non COVID related,she has not missed any appointments,you do have rural hospitals that may not even have an ICU unit that is stretched or a hospital that only has 5 or 6 hospital ICUs that can easily be overwhelmed,just as they would be during a major weather event.

My friend in the UK,his wife has leukemia for years,her appointments have always been 6 month delays and their hospital system was overwhelmed way before COVID hit with a 30 minute parking lot wait if you arrived by emergency vehicle.

I have a choice of 4 hospitals within a 5 mile range of me,one has 2 entire floors that are vacant,with the money the feds are paying out in COVID cases,they would have filled those 2 floors in a nano second,but they could not.

Before COVID you could visit any major city hospital on a Friday or Saturday night and see overwhelmed emergency rooms and packed ICUs.

[Zacha341]

Come on in thru at our southern borders. Which remain open [no matter what level of COVID is afoot] - not requiring such precautions........

...Even if Canada removes the vaccine requirement, the United States has a vaccine requirement for foreigners legally entering the country, so they still would not be allowed to cross the border.

[Henry Whalley]

“All protests are equal but some are more equal than others” from George Orwell's novel Animal Farm.

Looking through my copy of Animal Farm, I couldn't find that quote.