School Shooting at Oxford High School

[Richard]

^ life would be so much easier if the public was allowed to be judge jury and executioner,I am not sure if you need the justice system to protect the accused or from the burn them at the stake public that base it on what they think should happen.

Then people talk about societal values,we just dress nicer then they did in the Roman days,have not lost the taste for public blood,then wonder why the children become the same.

The country did not have an issue with a woman holding up a severed head of a sitting United States president for millions of children to see,but you sure have an issue with somebody practicing their first amendment right of free speech.

I do not like what she wrote,put her in prison.

Seems like half the adults in this country are more screwed up then the kids.

But then again many jumped in to burn witches at the stake and many helped round up the ones that they did not agree with knowing they were going to be sent to death camps for extermination.

Can’t really call the nazis evil,apparently they were just doing what society still wants to do and once again would gladly help them fill the boxcars.

Maybe these kids are just a part of the group of people throughout history that felt it was their duty to play judge jury and executioner and just fit in with the crowd.

[Meddle]

Do you have concrete knowledge and proof that the parents bought the gun for the kid?

Search the Mom's name. There are a number of sites posting the information along with a link to her writings.


Their little monster posted a picture of the boomboom calling it his Christmas present from his parents.

[Danny]

Do you have concrete knowledge and proof that the parents bought the gun for the kid?

If not you are spreading false accusations and rumors.

I am thinking you bought the gun in the hood and then sold it to the parents in order to make a quick buck.

I bet if I sent that to the newspaper,tomorrow it would be headline news with Danny in big bold letters,because they are like everybody else,facts do not matter and they will print it just to grab the morning headlines.

But then again it does not matter what we think,it has no relevance.

Crime is up 400% in some cities,every night is a new newscast of stores being looted and robbed and burned case after case of people out of control going after innocent people just out shopping for a day,people not being charged for crimes,police told to stand down,most do not even show up or do so hours later.

Not for nothing but people probably could not have picked a worst time in at least the past 30 years to push a gun control narrative.

2021 gun sales in creased 60% after the summer of burning cities almost 5 million sales in February of that year alone.

During the pandemic 39,695,315 guns were sold,the average used to be 20 million a year.

40% increase of guns sold to women and African Americans.

That’s not a gun problem,that is a society problem when people feel compelled to purchase a weapon that they would have never thought about doing before,it’s the same society problems that are driving these kids to pick up a gun and shoot up a school.

The guns are not dancing on a stripper pole in order to entice people to buy them,they are buying them out of desperation while in a system that they feel lends no support and gives them no other choice.

The same way these kids are probably feeling,if one has never taken a life before,it takes a lot to take one the first time.

We could stop and see what is driving these kids into that dark place,but it is easier to just say - bad gun - take them all away and everything will be peaches and cream.

The news cycle picks it up for a few days,the gun control nuts use it to push their agenda,the internet goes wild with accusations and gun control arguments,then something else happens and it all becomes a faded memory until the next time.

Sadly you cannot put these kids in a shelf until the next time,the facade of doing something without actually doing anything does not help them.

In this country with 100s of millions of guns out there it is a losing battle thinking you are going to regulate them out of harms way,you cannot even keep cigarettes,liquor or drugs out of their mouths and hands.

Who knows,maybe someday people will drop the narratives and actually figure it out,I am not holding my breath on that.

The increase in school shootings started in 1996 ,this country had no shortage of guns before that and had an occasional school shooting.

What happened in 1996 that saw the school shootings to multiply year after year after that ?

What was the cause for the increase,it was not the guns,they were already there before.

Scratch that,I almost forgot,the internet became mainstream and all of the fun shoot em up games and chat rooms became widely available.

Back in the day when we were kids,we did not even know the news existed or schools outside of our district,for that matter I do not even remember my parents discussing politics or the news with us kids,I remember the watergate hearings being broadcast and then it was tv time with shows that were considered wholesome.

Now we have children talking about stolen childhoods and attending protests where women are walking around with private parts that children should not even understand what they are yet.

TV shows are all violence with blood and guts,computer games where kids compete to get the most kills ,role models that are so screwed up in their own lives that they are in no position to be looked up to,a 6 year old can watch porn with the click of a button,no thanks to Sears eliminating their catalog.

Everybody went to school,nobody is harder on kids then other kids,parents are acting out in public and on the internet worse then kids,we set the stage for monsters then do not like it when they become monsters.

Read the news and find out.

[ABetterDetroit]

This tragedy as it continues to unfold does make you stop and think about all the teenagers that lived and were raised in households where the anger and vicious rhetoric of the Trump years whipped people up until they believed any kind of stupid nonsense as the truth. Add the thinking their love of modern military/police grade semi-automatics makes them believe they are some sort of ‘Patriot’ things are probably going get worse as these young people enter a society where rational behavior is expected and rewarded.

[Bong-Man]

I'll agree with Richard on only one thing. Guns isn't what immediately comes to mind when an incident like this takes place. Even though it was years ago, I think of my own experiences at that age when I was the receiver and giver of bullying, peer pressure, isolation, social and physical awkwardness, and basically a time of life that I really didn't appreciate as much as others seemed to. Even now past 60, those years wouldn't make my top 10 of 4 year periods of my life. It was not an easy time.

When I take those memories and throw in social media, a pandemic, problems at home, and other things kids have to navigate these days, none of this really surprises me.

I don't offer that as any excuse to justify anyone's actions, but this country had some serious mental health issues before the pandemic, and that has obviously intensified because of it. A dozen or so copycat threats are not a sign that all is well.

I have no solutions. My heart goes out to the victims, their families, the students and staff of Oxford High, and even the shooter and his parents. No one here would want to receive a call or text that related to any angle of this tragedy.

[MikeM]

Do you have concrete knowledge and proof that the parents bought the gun for the kid?

Is the statement to that fact by the sheriff good enough for you or will you continue to bloviate?

[Cincinnati_Kid]

I get it from Marjorie Taylor Greene and Alex Jones.

Two demented fucks...

[Meddle]

I'll agree with Richard on only one thing. Guns isn't what immediately comes to mind when an incident like this takes place. Even though it was years ago, I think of my own experiences at that age when I was the receiver and giver of bullying, peer pressure, isolation, social and physical awkwardness, and basically a time of life that I really didn't appreciate as much as others seemed to. Even now past 60, those years wouldn't make my top 10 of 4 year periods of my life. It was not an easy time.

When I take those memories and throw in social media, a pandemic, problems at home, and other things kids have to navigate these days, none of this really surprises me.

I don't offer that as any excuse to justify anyone's actions, but this country had some serious mental health issues before the pandemic, and that has obviously intensified because of it. A dozen or so copycat threats are not a sign that all is well.

I have no solutions. My heart goes out to the victims, their families, the students and staff of Oxford High, and even the shooter and his parents. No one here would want to receive a call or text that related to any angle of this tragedy.

I hated school. Every minute of it. We had shootings and knifings and other gang fights, some large. I've told the story here a few times of coming out of Cerveny in the 60s and seeing 15 or 20 DPD TMUs parked along Puritan. We had a DPD officer assigned to the school. I flat out decided I was NOT going to Cooley, no matter what. Auto plants were thriving then, so I could have found work, even if I was too young.


I avoided it all. I kept to myself. I didn't associate with the people that caused problems.

[Scottathew]

I avoided it all. I kept to myself. I didn't associate with the people that caused problems.

Unfortunately, the victims of many of these modern-age school shootings are random. The shooter just goes for the most damage, not certain people.

[Scottathew]

Here's an Instagram post that is allegedly by the shooter. Note the language, it seems threatening knowing that it's a kid and with the hindsight of knowing what he did. However, it really doesn't seem much different than most of the gun nuts I've slowly disconnected from in life. It just looks like he's echoing the general conservative talking point of "guns good, look at my gun, mess with me and you'll get yours". He might be echoing the sentiments from his pro-Trump, pro-gun parents.

It's difficult to tell the difference between legitimate threats and right-wing America's talking points.

It's time for Americans to wake up and realize that guns are killing machines that enable people to do horrible things at a scale that they couldn't without a gun. Guns enable mentally ill and angry people to do so much damage. I sleep better at night knowing that there isn't a gun in my house. My family is safer without guns.

[Meddle]

This should be the very least of any charges:


Michigan authorities consider charges against the school shooting suspect's parents
NPR|11 minutes ago
Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said that the parents of the suspect failed to keep a recently purchased firearm out of the hands of their son, who is accused of killing four classmates.

[bartocktoo]

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-susp...ycsrp_catchall

To me, the above is the most disturbing.

Apparently, no evidence of bullying, and multiple meetings regarding his behavior. And then his social media posting the day before.

A kid at my youngest's elementary school yesterday told another kid he was going to get his dad's gun and shoot him. The kid, whom my kid overheard making the threat, was taken out of school, and the Macomb County Sheriff's Officer, already at the school because of what happened in Oxford, interviewed several students, including my 9-year-old. The kid has been expelled. This is where we are at.

Going back to the Oxford shooting, despite the overwhelming amount of evidence, and the antagonistic/attention-starved arguments in quasi-defense of this kid, his parents, gun violence, etc., I wonder if this kid and/or parents end up on trial would a defense attorney argue that any jury with reasonably-informed members have a perceived "bias".

[Henry Whalley]

Two demented fucks...

It's not far-fetched to imagine them traveling here for a photo-op with the Crumbleys. These are Maralago Mussolini's core constituency.

For further analysis see 'The Heart, She Holler' 2011-14.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Is the statement to that fact by the sheriff good enough for you or will you continue to bloviate?

Apparently Richard is selective in his backing of law enforcement.

[Zacha341]

Yes, I think those who feel safer in their homes without guns should opt not to have them. I respect that. This Oxford shooting is another example of how our society continues to degenerate, especially impacting our youth.

However, let us not believe that the "look at my gun" mentality is a mark, sentiment/ talking point exclusive to the right-wing.

How many violent criminals, and gang members in Detroit etc. are apprehended yearly because they STUPIDLY online post themselves, full-color, brandishing all forms of firearms [often used in the crimes], and ammo?

Sometimes with music affirming their intent and activities - past and future!

...It just looks like he's echoing the general conservative talking point of "guns good, look at my gun, mess with me and you'll get yours". He might be echoing the sentiments from his pro-Trump, pro-gun parents.

It's difficult to tell the difference between legitimate threats and right-wing America's talking points.

It's time for Americans to wake up and realize that guns are killing machines that enable people to do horrible things at a scale that they couldn't without a gun. Guns enable mentally ill and angry people to do so much damage. I sleep better at night knowing that there isn't a gun in my house. My family is safer without guns.

[Zacha341]

Oxford High School shooting suspect and parents met with school leaders same day as shooting, sheriff says

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/oxf...ng-sources-say

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-susp...ycsrp_catchall

To me, the above is the most disturbing.

Apparently, no evidence of bullying, and multiple meetings regarding his behavior. And then his social media posting the day before...

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Can anyone seriously claim that it's not incredibly irresponsible to be called into your son's school to discuss his "concerning behavior" and at the same time not secure any firearms that are in the home?

It boggles my mind, but then again I don't live in ammosexual world and I don't fetishize guns.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

The daddy may very well have paid for the gun with the same funds many others did after they received their free money from the government off of the taxpayers backs.

The FBI processed just shy of 200,000 background checks on Black Friday alone.

I am sure you have all their financial information,purchase intent,and who they support to post also ?

Only an ignorant person would post a certain type of person that fits the profile of a gun owner because they come from all walks of life all genders and all political persuasions.

No, I don't have all their financial information. But 1) the sheriff has confirmed that the gun was purchased on Black Friday, and 2) the Duvall County support order showing daddy was $1,172.60 in arrears as of 10/18/2021 has been posted if you'd like to see a copy. The date of the Duvall County order is 11/23; the gun was purchased 11/26.

Please explain why the source of the gun purchase funds would be relevant? "Sorry, the child support funds are exhausted; I bought the gun with funds earmarked for gun purchases." Is that how it works?

[Scottathew]

I'm with DetroitOnTheWestCoast.

It's stupidly tragic that the father choose to spend money on a gun that he left accessible to his child that was having behavior issues instead of paying the child support he owes.

There's an article about an alleged open letter to Trump that the mother wrote back in 2016. She gushed support for his agenda, forgave his pussy-grabbing ways [literally, she mentions she has no issues with him saying that], and that she loves having guns. She also mentions that she had to forgo paying her insurance bills to pay for tutoring. But yet then still have plenty of budget for guns.

Shame on these folks. They had a problem child on their hands and choose to purchase weapons and leave them accessible to him.

If people really want to be "Pro-Life" they need to examine how this country approaches guns. We could pass a lot of laws that could have an impact on reducing the chances of events like this happening.

- No more sales\transfer of high capacity magazines
- No more sales\transfer of anything beyond hand guns and hunting rifles
- Strict laws on the storage of weapons when not in use
- Heavy penalties for adults who have unsecured weapons that are used by children
- License users of guns like we do users of cars, require gun safety courses and occasional refresher courses
- Register guns like we do cars
- Require insurance for gun owners

[softailrider]

I hated school. Every minute of it. We had shootings and knifings and other gang fights, some large. I've told the story here a few times of coming out of Cerveny in the 60s and seeing 15 or 20 DPD TMUs parked along Puritan. We had a DPD officer assigned to the school. I flat out decided I was NOT going to Cooley, no matter what. Auto plants were thriving then, so I could have found work, even if I was too young.


I avoided it all. I kept to myself. I didn't associate with the people that caused problems.

Good God.... I went to Detroit Public Schools is the 1960's and do not remember anything like that. Not everybody was Mr. and Mrs. Nice Guy all the time, but I do not remember any knifings or shooting or gang fights at all.

[JBMcB]

From Karen McDonald's ACLU Smart Justice page last year:

Question 14: Will you pledge to not prosecute people under 18 as adults and eliminate the use of juvenile waivers into adult courts?

Yes. As a mom, family court judge, and private practice attorney specializing in family law, I understand that children should be treated like children. As such, youth should be held accountable for crimes without facing adult punishment and unnecessary incarceration.


Well that went out the window right quick. She also pledged to not seek life sentences for juvenile offenders. This should be interesting.

[MikeM]

Isn't life w/o parole a mandatory sentence for first degree murder?

[Danny]

Take a look at these early footages from Ethan Crumbley using his father's name James Crumbley when he was 10 years old. Kind of a nerd-like boy, sweet and cute. He wants to start his own blog page. But he hasn't got up into gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0D4tyfl81I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiE_DSW7V_w&t=14s

How is this cute boy growing up in a rural small Michigan town become a gun totting yahoo ready to kill people?

[Gistok]

Good God.... I went to Detroit Public Schools is the 1960's and do not remember anything like that. Not everybody was Mr. and Mrs. Nice Guy all the time, but I do not remember any knifings or shooting or gang fights at all.

It all depended on which High School you went to. I went to Finney for 6 years [Jr./Sr. High]... it started out pretty good, but by the time I graduated in the early 70s... things started getting pretty rough.

[Henry Whalley]

Isn't life w/o parole a mandatory sentence for first degree murder?

Yeah, but not sure if that applies to juvenile murderers?