School Shooting at Oxford High School

[Richard]

What tools?


I was under the impression a gun was nothing but a "glorified bookend".

according to the laws in Michigan,the parents purchased and stored the gun legally,no different then it would have applied to a “glorified bookend” .

It appears as if the crux of the prosecutors case revolves around a text that the mother sent that said “don’t do it”.

But the text was sent after the father heard of the shooting,looked for the gun and found out it was missing from the lock box,and called 911 to tell them the gun was missing and the mother said the text was referring to “don’t do it” as in do not commit suicide.

[jcole]

Yep, none of this is at all incriminating

he prosecutor states in the court document:

• The parents left Oxford High School at approximately 10:55 a.m. or two hours before the shooting
• They knew their son was depressed
• He was fascinated with guns
• He had been researching ammunition while at school
• The morning of the shooting, he was seen watching violent video of shootings
• His only friend moved away
• The family dog died
• The parents were “over $11,000 behind on their house payments”
• The house was for sale

The prosecutor argues the parents were hiding out in a building in Detroit the day they were charged.

https://www.wxyz.com/homepage-showca...chool-shooting

[Jimaz]

From where does their overconfident bravado come? And why aren't those sources scrutinized?

That's what is needed to get at the root of the problem.

[Jimaz]

Stunning new evidence revealed in Oxford High School shooting

Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald in a new court filing says their case against the parents of the accused Oxford School shooter is “stronger” and that Jennifer and James Crumbley are “at a greater risk of flight” now.

[Meddle]

More on the Crummy family ....


Crumbleys' Bond Should Stay High Since They Knew Son Kept Bird's Head in a Jar: Prosecutors

The parents "willfully ignored the needs and well-being of their son and the threat he posed to others," said prosecutors. "Their son was torturing animals..."

https://www.newsweek.com/crumbleys-b...cutors-1662909


Other stories say MommyDearest was givin' up the goodies to somebody other than DaddyDearest instead of being a Mom.

[Meddle]

And then this:

Aim is for Oxford High students, staff to reconvene in mid-January

The Oakland Press|15 hours ago

The current aim is to reconvene Oxford High School students and staff in mid-January and reopen the high school by the end of January.

https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2021...n-mid-january/

Somebody at the OP needs to be canned for their choice headline wording.

[Richard]

And then this …

Here, Primus said the prosecutor must answer whether the attack was something the parents could "reasonably foresee having happened, given their negligent actions." This is where trying Ethan Crumbley as an adult comes into play.

Because, according to Primus, if Ethan Crumbley is an adult that acted on his own accord, this could break the link between James and Jennifer's parenting and the attack, working against the proof for causation.

https://www.newsweek.com/do-charges-...st-him-1659662

This is what happens when one takes the Stalinist approach and trys a case before going to trial.

Releasing all of this information to the public seems like it would qualify for a change of venue,going to be hard to find somebody local now that has not been tainted,in order for any of them to receive a fair trial.

It’s almost as if,in order to make a name for herself,the prosecutor is going out of her way in order to throw the case.

They are already providing the media with enough evidence to get the kid off.

If it plays out that being they are charging him as an adult,his parents cannot be held liable,they have put out enough information in order to say because of all the stress he went through,he snapped.

So the parents case goes nowhere,the kid gets the crazy house under temporary insanity.

Poor kid/adult,was so devastated because his dog died,he could not handle the stress and freaked out.

You really have to love the art of politics,the beauty that lies with the ability to make it look like you are doing something,while not actually doing anything.

If the school was that concerned about his mental health,given what they put out in regards to guns,and they let him return to class without so much as,let me take a peak in your backpack.

Heck when I went to school, even if they thought you were high,they were cutting the lock on your locker looking for dope.

This deal is already done,the rest is to make it look good to the public.

[Meddle]

Michigan shooting suspect's parents willfully disregarded signs that their son was a threat, prosecutors say
CNN|6 hours ago
Prosecutors in a filing say the parents of alleged Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley are at a "greater risk of flight" now than when they were arraigned on involuntary manslaughter charges earlier this month and allege the couple "willfully ignored the needs and well-being of their son and the threat he posed to others.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/us/mi...nts/index.html

[Richard]

Michigan shooting suspect's parents willfully disregarded signs that their son was a threat, prosecutors say
CNN|6 hours ago
Prosecutors in a filing say the parents of alleged Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley are at a "greater risk of flight" now than when they were arraigned on involuntary manslaughter charges earlier this month and allege the couple "willfully ignored the needs and well-being of their son and the threat he posed to others.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/us/mi...nts/index.html

They charged the kid as an adult,meaning he had the mental capacity and acted as an adult,so they are saying the parents had no control over him as an adult.

If you kid leaves the house mad because they did not like the breakfast you laid out for them,they go to the school and assault somebody,can you as a parent be charged with assault because you knew their state of mind when they left the house,and you could have prevented the assault?

Kids get moody,so should parents treat their children as a potential school shooter if they go though different phases?

No matter what,how many parents believe their kid is capable of shooting up a school?

[canuck]

They charged the kid as an adult,meaning he had the mental capacity and acted as an adult,so they are saying the parents had no control over him as an adult.

If you kid leaves the house mad because they did not like the breakfast you laid out for them,they go to the school and assault somebody,can you as a parent be charged with assault because you knew their state of mind when they left the house,and you could have prevented the assault?

Kids get moody,so should parents treat their children as a potential school shooter if they go though different phases?

No matter what,how many parents believe their kid is capable of shooting up a school?

Nice try.

You evacuated the part about the meeting the parents had with the school staff. There is the question of a little drawing. Also, in one of your later posts, you relate the fact that the kid took the gun from a lockbox at the parents’ house. Feel free to share more [[«"evidence"») with us. Lotsalaffs.

[Richard]

^ you do realize that the only subject at hand is the bond hearing,the prosecutor does not have to supply any evidence,everything she says will have to be proven in court at a later date,and she is going to say what ever she wants in order to bolster her position.

[canuck]

^Nice try, yet again. You are consistently all over the place and ramble on about Canada and Venezuela and can’t seem to focus on the topic except what you care to promote, i.e; that guns are no more harmful than plush toys to the populace. After all, you can smother your kid with a plush toy, etc… ad infinitum.

The subject at hand is the alleged Ethan Crumley shooting spree.
Arguable whether the parents’ Gun purchase had been directed at troubled youth / Dispute around the school meeting’s confirmation of screwy youth and ensuing mitigation of factors leading to the multiple killings. Debatably easy access to lockbox opened or broken into / shootings / parents scoot .

[Danny]

So, while Ethan Crumbley was doing his 9:00am. math test, he drew pictures of a gun, obscene words and kill, kill, kill for his answer.

Looks like 0+0 does equal zero after all.

Like Orwell said " Freedom, is the right for you to say 'two plus two makes four.' "

[Zacha341]

^^^ 'two plus two makes four.'

What's the problem? To affirm the above is go against the new standard of having NO standards! Standards, objectives and merit et al make students feel 'uncomfortable' and harshly judged.

I am just wondering how all of this will work out for our new generation of engineers, doctors, and aircraft pilots!

[Zacha341]

Were warning signs ignored?

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...chool-shooter/

[southen]

Canada has suicides with guns also, just far, far less than the U.S. because guns aren't lying around everywhere like discarded socks.

Richard is too dense to understand that point being made. Canada has more regulation than the United States but certainly less than countries in Europe and you are still 8x more likely to experience gun violence in American per capita than Canada. Dick goes "see they still have violence there so it doesn't matter" while a rational person goes, "Oh, so I guess some common sense regulation can impact gun violence without going too far." Then blah blah blah about everyone but him having a narrative they are adhering to.

[canuck]

But the public school system has plenty of money for critical race theory, diversity, equity, and homophobia awareness.

Ah… but for the price of a ticket and a tub of popcorn, you can have all the critical race theory your heart desires from Clint Eastwood, et al.

[Jimaz]

FWIW, the rumors that Ethan Crumbley has been deemed incompetent to stand trial are false — just in case that was mentioned in the word salad upstairs.

• Prosecutor speaks out on Oxford shooting suspect rumors

[southen]

But the public school system has plenty of money for critical race theory, diversity, equity, and homophobia awareness.

One, CRT isn’t being taught in schools. That’s another fear tactic much like “Obama is going to steal your guns and institute sharia law” to get your knickers in a bunch.

Two, teaching about diversity and equity is bad? Next you are gonna tell me that the Civil War should be framed as a battle for state’s rights. How terrible to teach children that diversity is good and that there is no reason to fear homosexuals. I mean its not like they have been a discriminated group in our great country’s history…

[Jimaz]

... How terrible to teach children that diversity is good and that there is no reason to fear homosexuals.…

The only dangerous minority is the rich.

They're also the only minority with the financial resources to do immense harm.

[Zacha341]

One, CRT isn’t being taught in schools. That’s another fear tactic much like “Obama is going to steal your guns and institute sharia law” to get your knickers in a bunch…

Umm, oh yes it is. Talk to K12 teachers, and engaged parents.

Better still, confer with the DPSCD Superintendent about rather CRT is being taught. There's an entire thread re. that subject right here on DetroitYes: Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory...

The argument is well past rather or not it's taught in full or in parts. Additionally it is not solely white, right-wingers challenging CRT. As it is being presented CRT causes more problems and division than it purports to solve. And when children are involved some parents will speak up!

Not shocking to me there are more black, brown and biracial parents, and students saying NO to for example CRT's racial essentialism teachings presented as education.

The non-white push-back against CRT was not anticipated.

[southen]

No wonder you all want guns, you live in fear of absolutely everything, real and fictitious. Everyone gets an AR-15 because you never know when a group of murderous-gay-pedos is gonna try to teach you about this country's racist past!

Do any of you find it at all contradictory that you don't want to teach about racism in the classroom but simultaneously want to leave up confederate monuments so we can know our past and learn from it? Crazy.

[canuck]

^^^^^^ I know a pizzeria in Washington where if you order a pie, it comes all dressed with a naked little child extra. That’s old fake news though. But it’s always nice to hear again, like Obama’s birth certificate. Heck, nobody ever complained when Ted Cruz ran for President even though he was born in Calgary.

[Zacha341]

Ask the [mostly] democrat voting homeowners and renters in the D why they unapologetically own their firearms?

The answer will usually not be purchased or leased from NRA right-winged playbooks [or any need of their affirmation], or homophobic fears.

Bet.

No wonder you all want guns, you live in fear of absolutely everything, real and fictitious....

[Rocket]

Do any of you find it at all contradictory that you don't want to teach about racism in the classroom but simultaneously want to leave up confederate monuments so we can know our past and learn from it? Crazy.

It's important to leave the Confed monuments standing, so we can be reminded of just what the left is capable of. We shouldn't allow the left to erase their shameful history, lest we repeat it.

And no, we shouldn't allow the left to teach our children to hate each-other based on skin color.