School Shooting at Oxford High School

[Vic01]

... an AR 15 or similar weapon... Now we are basically going to have a slew of out-of-control use by teenagers with these maniac weapons [[ which has recently been predicted )…., great.

For the record: I heard in last nights press conference that the weapon was a Sig Sauer 9mm semi-auto handgun, not an AR-15 or "similar" rifle

[Meddle]

Bill's talking about the Kenosha jury who recently said it's OK for a punk kid to wander around killing people at will.


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As far as I know, our rural schools don't have much security at the doors either. But I haven't been near a school in close to twenty years, so I can't say for sure.

[401don]

Because the gun said - pssst hey you,over here, come pick me up and go shoot up a school,they will blame me so they do not have to face the reality of a mental health crisis going on in this country.

A glass bottle with gasoline and a rag stuffed into one end could do a heck of a lot more damage faster,wonder if people will be talking about banning gasoline,rags and glass bottles if that ever happened.

Kids are no different then adults these days,everybody is off of the chain.

Pretty sure the 3 yr. old who shot and killed their 5 yr. old cousin wasn't planning to get gasoline and light up a rag. Guns are killing machines that are readily available lying around homes, that can be used on a whim with no extra thought required and are totally unnecessary in most suburban neighborhoods.

[Meddle]

EVERY parent of every minor that harms a person with a firearm needs to be charged. The charge would be based on the circumstances. In this case it seems the father had just bought the handgun a few days ago. I'll need to see more about why that was and how the kid got it before I can say what charges I feel might be appropriate.

[401don]

As far as I know, our rural schools don't have much security at the doors either. But I haven't been near a school in close to twenty years, so I can't say for sure.

Security guards, metal detectors, etc. are just silly. Like you can't shoot the kids on the sidewalk or on the bus. Or just walk up and shoot the guard 1st. Buzzers are silly too. Ask any student to "hold the door" and of course they will. Drills that mitigate the number of deaths after shooting starts are about the only thing that's useful.

[Honky Tonk]

Some comments from various news sources are already decrying this as another crime-filled day in Detroit! Withstanding that Oxford, MI is 42+ miles, 45 minutes away........

Of course they did. Putting "Detroit" in the article will guarantee more clicks than Oxford.

[Honky Tonk]

So unbelievably sad, yet so predictable, here we just recently basically said that is just fine for a teenager to run around with an AR 15, and decide how they’re going to behave with it and when they need to use it, you know there’s going to be a slew of teenagers who will interpret this for their own purposes, and to handle any situation they feel they need to with an AR 15 or similar weapon. There is just something so terribly twisted with this mentality in this country anymore, other countries have problems also , but nothing even close to the magnitude of what’s going on here, it’s basically just a pandemic of guns and it’s going to get worse every month. Now we are basically going to have a slew of out-of-control use by teenagers with these maniac weapons [[ which has recently been predicted )…., great.

Other countries just exterminate by religion and head size.

[Honky Tonk]

Buzzers are silly too. Ask any student to "hold the door" and of course they will.

Revolving doors with swipers work fairly well. Only one person at a time can get through.

[lpg]

Here's a question...How do you outlaw evil ? It was tried with Prohibition, the War on Drugs. Passing more laws has done nothing with solving problems. Can you outlaw everything that could be used to hurt other people ? Evil finds a way.

[Honky Tonk]

Here's a question...How do you outlaw evil ? It was tried with Prohibition, the War on Drugs. Passing more laws has done nothing with solving problems. Can you outlaw everything that could be used to hurt other people ? Evil finds a way.

👍 +5

[Danny]

Quick thinking for a student in Oxford High School that save the lives of few students who were hiding in a classroom.

Take a look at this footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wo0OxjD1w


When the shooter who claims to be an Oakland County Sherriff Deputy say 'bro', that was a street code. And most of the students knew the street code [[Ebonics, slang) and it's probably is the shooter. They quickly evacuate the classroom and their lives were saved in time.

The word 'bro' is a street code for buddy or homie. It said a lot of times in the ghetto hoods [[black communities) and especially in various black gangs. But in most white communities the word 'bro' wasn't been said a lot. But white folks do know the word 'bro' in their mindsets meaning a black person behaving aggressively. And they will take action against any black person or any ethnic person.

Don't think that my comments are providing racial codes to make certain races trigger a state of fear that 'all black people are thugs and criminals'. It's the street codes and images that we see in our society that is programmed to our primitive cerebrum in order to kick in our instincts and take action before it's too late.

[Danny]

Revolving doors with swipers work fairly well. Only one person at a time can get through.

Evil cannot be outlawed, only by deterred. It's an absence of good and it's all part of the Ying-Yang balance of life.

[southen]

Here's a question...How do you outlaw evil ? It was tried with Prohibition, the War on Drugs. Passing more laws has done nothing with solving problems. Can you outlaw everything that could be used to hurt other people ? Evil finds a way.

Weird that were the only country where this happens with such regularity. Almost makes it seem like your argument is lazy and you just like guns. The blueprint for curbing violence is out there but people love to cling to the wisdom of a group of men who owned slaves and didn't allow women to vote.

[CassTechGrad]

CATO INSTITUTE: “Around 25 percent of U.S. K‑12 schools are private, while about 10 percent of schooled children attend private schools. In other words, the data suggest that children that go to private schools are disproportionately less likely to experience a school shooting than children in public schools. At least some of the divergence in school shootings found are likely due to other factors such as household income and parent education levels. However, a recent study finds that private schools experience better school culture than public schools even after controlling for several characteristics such as school size, location, racial composition of students and teachers, and the percent of students from low‐​income families. Private schools are significantly less likely than public schools to experience problems such as student fighting, bullying, and, perhaps most importantly, weapon possession. Is not groundless to think that school type could matter, and nothing should be off‐​limits for discussion to end these sorts of tragedies.”

[Richard]

Pretty sure the 3 yr. old who shot and killed their 5 yr. old cousin wasn't planning to get gasoline and light up a rag. Guns are killing machines that are readily available lying around homes, that can be used on a whim with no extra thought required and are totally unnecessary in most suburban neighborhoods.

Did you know you are 4x more likely to be killed by a distracted driver then a gun?

I am ready to ban cell phones,are you ?

Canada has gun restrictions,seems like a lot of innocents are getting caught up in the crossfire,do not have a gun,grab a van or a suv like what just happened,the DA is asking for $1000 bail in that one.

Cars are killing machines,just laying in wait to pounce.

The UK has strict gun policies,so the thugs kept their guns and everybody else just switched to knifes,even requiring to be over 21 to purchase a kitchen knife,did not help.

The guy that went on a shooting rampage in Canada? All of those he shot never had a chance,they had to sit there like dogs and die.

This is why it continues to happen,all the anti gun people come out of the woodwork and focus on the gun and not dealing with the people behind it.

If somebody has reached the point of picking up a gun and killing somebody,the issue with the gun itself is long gone.

[Richard]

Weird that were the only country where this happens with such regularity. Almost makes it seem like your argument is lazy and you just like guns. The blueprint for curbing violence is out there but people love to cling to the wisdom of a group of men who owned slaves and didn't allow women to vote.

Actually you can buy a slave today,you are allowing it by not stopping it.

Ask the citizens of San Fran,Portland,Seattle,NYC which have all become lawless societies,what happened to that blueprint for curbing violence.

But that’s what that narrative is though,people in fear without the ability to protect themselves are easy to control.

[southen]

Actually you can buy a slave today,you are allowing it by not stopping it.

Ask the citizens of San Fran,Portland,Seattle,NYC which have all become lawless societies,what happened to that blueprint for curbing violence.

But that’s what that narrative is though,people in fear without the ability to protect themselves are easy to control.

Lawless societies? Buddy, you are the one living in fear. You are the one so afraid that the government is coming for YOU that you have to load up on weaponry as if you could stop the United States Government from doing anything. Keep being paranoid and keep thinking you're over there holding the line between freedom and tyranny. Ill keep laughing at your delusion.

[Richard]

Lawless societies? Buddy, you are the one living in fear. You are the one so afraid that the government is coming for YOU that you have to load up on weaponry as if you could stop the United States Government from doing anything. Keep being paranoid and keep thinking you're over there holding the line between freedom and tyranny. Ill keep laughing at your delusion.

I do not live in fear of the government,I live in fear of what we just experienced where the majority are so willing to comply when faced with their own fears.

The constitution removes the fear of government from my equation,as was its intent.

That is what history teaches us,there will always be those who will willingly get on the train while there will be those who chose not to.

[Henry Whalley]

...It was tried with Prohibition, the War on Drugs. Passing more laws has done nothing with solving problems.

Agreed, the government's war on drugs is a foolish failure. Especially considering it's the same government that fought opium wars in Southeast Asia and Afghanistan. But questions remain as to why our nation has so much addiction and so many mass murderers. The U.S. is world champion in both categories -- and in very little else.

In terms of firearms, legislatures and courts have busied themselves over the past several decades passing laws for the NRA normalizing the ownership of weapons of mass destruction -- anti-prohibition laws that demonstrate the singular insanity of America.

P.S. Both liquor and drugs are far more regulated than firearms.

[Danny]

Will the parents of the 15-year-old suspect be charged of giving a gun to him? YES! Because under Michigan and Federal gun control laws in order are anyone to own a firearm, that person must take and pass a CCW training class. And the person must be 18 years old or older.

The suspect's parents brought this kid a gun while they were on black Friday shopping. I'm not sure if that kid passes its CCW classes, but he is not old enough to buy and own any firearms.

Kids and guns don't mix.

[Meddle]

So, the turd was suspended and Daddy bought the boomboom:

https://people.com/crime/father-mich...-gun-days-ago/

[Danny]

So, the turd was suspended and Daddy bought the boomboom:

https://people.com/crime/father-mich...-gun-days-ago/

And the father and kid will be charged.

[lpg]

Agreed, the government's war on drugs is a foolish failure. Especially considering it's the same government that fought opium wars in Southeast Asia and Afghanistan. But questions remain as to why our nation has so much addiction and so many mass murderers. The U.S. is world champion in both categories -- and in very little else.

In terms of firearms, legislatures and courts have busied themselves over the past several decades passing laws for the NRA normalizing the ownership of weapons of mass destruction -- anti-prohibition laws that demonstrate the singular insanity of America.

P.S. Both liquor and drugs are far more regulated than firearms.

I never filled out federal forms to buy beer. If gun control prohibiting citizens from owning firearms were to pass, how could it be enforced ?

[Richard]

Will the parents of the 15-year-old suspect be charged of giving a gun to him? YES! Because under Michigan and Federal gun control laws in order are anyone to own a firearm, that person must take and pass a CCW training class. And the person must be 18 years old or older.

The suspect's parents brought this kid a gun while they were on black Friday shopping. I'm not sure if that kid passes its CCW classes, but he is not old enough to buy and own any firearms.

Kids and guns don't mix.

and this is how the fires are spread,the father was of legal age to purchase the weapon,no where does it say he bought the weapon for his son.

Just like the post saying the kid was suspended,no where in the link also provided did it say the kid was suspended.

Kids and guns don’t mix? Kids have had excess to guns and many are hunters for thousands of years.

What you really want to say is,kids who are not taught proper gun safety do not mix with guns.

Some adults also,like the idiot on the movie set,1st rule of thumb is to never accept a weapon without checking its contents,safety and status,once it is in your hand you are 100% in control of it and what happens after that.

I taught my kids proper gun safety at age 6,you do not know if when or where they may run across one.

Guns are a part of our society,kids go to school and learn about sex,how and when to decide their gender,the evils of drinking and smoking and drugs,driving safety,where to properly cross the streets,everything under the sun to protect them but gun safety.

That part does not relate to this and it would be interesting to see if there is a direct link between the closing of mental health services in this country and violence.

People can laugh all they want but they cannot dispute the numbers,gun sales have increased up over 65% in the past few years as a direct result of the unabated and allowed violence that is occurring,an increase of over 3 million gun sales.

When people see that they have no choice but to take measures to protect themselves from the lawlessness,there are going to be those who probably have no business being around a weapon.

Maybe stop creating policies that encourage violence and the level of violence will drop,until then,individuals are going to do what it takes to insure their and their families safety by any means necessary.

Then you have those who justify and encourage the violence while crucifying those who protect themselves against it.

[hybridy]

danny, sandy hook was babies; if the gun nuts didn't care about them, this and stoneman are less than blips on their radar.

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