A possible Amalgamation of Detroit and Suburbs?

[renf]

Just to set the record straight. Census 2020 counted 639,000 residents in the city of Detroit. The rate of population loss in the city has slowed substantially between 2010 and 2010. The city is poised to see its
population grow in the next decade.

[Richard]

Just to set the record straight. Census 2020 counted 639,000 residents in the city of Detroit. The rate of population loss in the city has slowed substantially between 2010 and 2010. The city is poised to see its
population grow in the next decade.

Glass half full.

Kinda makes it nice when a city has room to grow,people do not get priced out so fast.

I would look at it as Detroit has an abundance of opportunity with an open pallet,where others will just always see despair.

[313WX]

The city is poised to see its
population grow in the next decade.

Folks were saying that about this past decade.

Fundamentally, if you look at Detroit's rust belt peers that are functionally healthier but still experiencing population decline combined with the macro factors that will continue to drive mass migration to the Sunbelt [[limited economic growth/diversity, rough winters, etc.), I wouldn't bet the house on that prediction.

[Richard]

Folks were saying that about this past decade.

Fundamentally, if you look at Detroit's rust belt peers that are functionally healthier but still experiencing population decline combined with the macro factors that will continue to drive mass migration to the Sunbelt [[limited economic growth/diversity, rough winters, etc.), I wouldn't bet the house on that prediction.

Detroit was built off of people moving from the south to the north in that case it was simply providing opportunity.

There has always been mass migration back and forth but when you look at things sense the 1980s it has been flat out fleeing in large numbers.policies remove opportunity,the migration is just cause and effect.

The recent mass migration that saw millions flee had little to do with lack of opportunity or cold weather,but that’s what starts it all in the first place,a failure to face the facts.

Just on a little offshoot,there are lots of properties owned by boomers of the north in the south,as of late as they start passing in larger numbers,90% of the time,those properties are sold and the funds are sent back up north to families that still reside up there.

That equals large chunks of cash where one property provides the economic impact of 3 people leaving.

In theory it should be a balance of population loss without the revenue drain,it’s not snow that upset that balence.

I meet a lot of x-pats from Michigan,a majority say they were from the Detroit region but the majority also would prefer to move back.

Personally if I keep tripping over the rake,I find it easier to move the rake then the ground under it,or even even easier to create a new path around the rake so I can avoid tripping over it in the first place.

I have seen the city itself give up 2 large chunks of land in the last 7 years,each case has actually been a long term detriment to the city.

Pretend you are a farmer,you have all of this land sitting there,it does no good to acquire more because that comes with additional costs that offset the gains.

Cities expand when they grow out of the defined lands but after they have maximized growth potential of the existing boundaries.

It does little good sitting there looking at it and trying to figure out how to pay for it,by acquiring more debt,in order to be able to continue to sit there and look at it sitting there vacant.

Tampa

You have the actual downtown
Next to it YBor city,built by the cigar factories,a city within the city.
West Tampa - was built by the ones that did not blend into Downtown or Ybor city.

That makes 3 completely different cities all under the umbrella of one city,it’s all considered the city of Tampa but each one is run independently within its own cocoon.

Looking at the land mass of Detroit as a city,it’s overwhelming and the old school way of looking at the downtown expanding out to the neighborhoods and building them up is a massive hill to climb.

Maybe that is a way,instead of it being one large city,break it up development wise,still under one roof as the city of Detroit but with taking sections and creating cities within a city,little bites instead of taking big ones.

[Danny]

First of all this great State of Michigan doesn't want a Metro-Detroit Area with a lost urban core and declining population down to 400,000 by 2035. So having Detroit combined with the suburbs maybe the final solution. In case Detroit's regional businesses failed to bring jobs and corps. into downtown, its industrial zones, and the neighborhoods.

It's going to happen not 5 years from now, but about 15 to 30 years ahead. The only way to prevent the amalgamation of Detroit and suburbs is Detroit is regional jobs to increase population density along with excellent schools, a better police force and its city services.

[313WX]

First of all this great State of Michigan doesn't want a Metro-Detroit Area with a lost urban core and declining population down to 400,000 by 2035. So having Detroit combined with the suburbs maybe the final solution. In case Detroit's regional businesses failed to bring jobs and corps. into downtown, its industrial zones, and the neighborhoods.

It's going to happen not 5 years from now, but about 15 to 30 years ahead. The only way to prevent the amalgamation of Detroit and suburbs is Detroit is regional jobs to increase population density along with excellent schools, a better police force and its city services.

I don't think the "great State of Michigan" cares about Detroit having a lost urban core and a declining population.

Most folks there are convinced the state can get along just fine without a strong/healthy Detroit.

[Danny]

I don't think the "great State of Michigan" cares about Detroit having a lost urban core and a declining population.

Most folks there are convinced the state can function just fine without a strong Detroit.

Oh they will. Detroit is Michigan automobile and international trade capital. Lose that base, this Great State of Michigan suffers. Metro-Detroit suburbs needs Detroit for it's regional core. Detroit's loss of population means a loss of business and federal tax dollars. Would not like to see a Detroit with a pockets of ghost hoods.

[Richard]

I don't think the "great State of Michigan" cares about Detroit having a lost urban core and a declining population.

Most folks there are convinced the state can get along just fine without a strong/healthy Detroit.

The reality is the city controls a large part of the voting block,like other dense population centers do in other states,there is incentive to keep it as is.

The easiest solution would be to just switch sides and watch the population and investments double.

Then a few years down the road when the city is cranking,say we changed our minds and switch back,politicians do it all the time,flipping about.

[Danny]

Here what an amalgamated Detroit City will look like.

Pop. 3,700,000

It will be the 4th largest city in the U.S.

It will be mostly white with a few blacks, ethnic races and Hispanics.

Its city councils will be district wards with a mayor.

New city services in be in place.

It's police, fire depts will operate independently within its former suburban communities.

Its school districts will operate independently but will provide 'school of choice options'.

And all financial debts will be forgiven.

[Henry Whalley]

Here what an amalgamated Detroit City will look like...

Detroiters would benefit, but suburban voters won't go for it.