The Decline and Fall of The GOP

**Wheels** · February-11-21, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Danny

Penalties for Donald Trump if convicted of insurrection:

1. Loss of all gov't benefits.

2. Possibly 75% of his estate be restituted.

3. He WILL NOT run for re-election for any U.S. Gov't offices.

At least he will not get some jail time!

But it's NOT over yet. The FBI can still charge him for tax evasion. And Dept. of Justice can charge him with conspiracy of commit collusion with a foreign power And conspiracy to commit insurrection or a Coup D'etat against the United States of America.

How about listing the possible penalty for a drive by impeachment that the Supreme Court said no thanks to?

**bust** · February-23-21, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

....you've already accomplished everything required at the S.O.S. office. That's how you got the voting card to begin with. It's not your picture...it's your signature on the card. If it's your pic, then put the damn thing on the card to begin with !

Great point.

Is there anyone who disagrees with the idea of including a voter's photo on their voter registration card? Democrat or republican?

If so, please explain why.

I can think of no good reason.

**jcole** · February-24-21, 07:53 AM

For one, if you register to vote when you're 18 and never move or change your name, that picture is going to look mighty young in a while. I lived in one house for over 30 yrs and never had to change my voter's registration.

Originally Posted by bust

Great point.

Is there anyone who disagrees with the idea of including a voter's photo on their voter registration card? Democrat or republican?

If so, please explain why.

I can think of no good reason.

**Danny** · February-24-21, 09:00 AM

Now we have two different Republican Parties:

The GOP

and MAGA

Which Republican Parties do you all like?

**Bong-Man** · February-24-21, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

For one, if you register to vote when you're 18 and never move or change your name, that picture is going to look mighty young in a while. I lived in one house for over 30 yrs and never had to change my voter's registration.

I've had my voting location changed many times even though I've never moved. I'm automatically sent a new card to reflect those changes. I believe in Michigan you can only renew your license twice before a new picture ID is required [[which I was thankfully able to do last April to avoid a pandemic visit to the S.O.S.) Your picture voting card could easily be updated at the same time. Republicans don't want any of this. In some States they fight even being able to tie changes or registering to vote when you renew your license at the S.O.S.

I'm not in favor of having to produce any picture. My point is if it's going to be required, than the picture should be on the card. Choosing to exercise the privilege of driving has nothing to do with someone's right to vote.

Personally, I think it reflects a long-standing attitude from Republicans that it's easier to limit the vote than change their platform to appeal to more people. Gun ownership is a right in the eyes of Republicans, and they'll fight every attempt to monitor or limit that may infringe that constitutional right. So is voting...but they like ALL kinds of limits on that one !

**Jimaz** · February-24-21, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

... a long-standing attitude from Republicans that it's easier to limit the vote than change their platform to appeal to more people....

And let's just state the obvious: That defeats the very purpose of voting. Why do they even need to be reminded of that simple truth?

They embarrass themselves over and over and over again.

**jcole** · February-24-21, 11:38 AM

The problem with that is elderly people and others who do not drive. They can hang onto a voter's reg card for years and not have to go and renew it, but if you put a picture on it, they will have to go and get a photo taken at an SOS or other government office every couple years and that's what is difficult for the underserved communities to do.
In my opinion, if you went and got your voter reg in person and the important thing is the signature, you shouldn't be forced to do it again for a picture change. Perhaps a renewal of voter reg every 10 yrs or so would be doable and if the State would update their databases so Voter's reg, drivers license and death notices were all main indices that checked each other at any renewal or death, they could weed them better. For example, whenever you renew a licence or registration they run it up against the SSDI, you'd have a lot less dead people driving and voting

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

I've had my voting location changed many times even though I've never moved. I'm automatically sent a new card to reflect those changes. I believe in Michigan you can only renew your license twice before a new picture ID is required [[which I was thankfully able to do last April to avoid a pandemic visit to the S.O.S.) Your picture voting card could easily be updated at the same time. Republicans don't want any of this. In some States they fight even being able to tie changes or registering to vote when you renew your license at the S.O.S.

**Richard** · February-24-21, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

I've had my voting location changed many times even though I've never moved. I'm automatically sent a new card to reflect those changes. I believe in Michigan you can only renew your license twice before a new picture ID is required [[which I was thankfully able to do last April to avoid a pandemic visit to the S.O.S.) Your picture voting card could easily be updated at the same time. Republicans don't want any of this. In some States they fight even being able to tie changes or registering to vote when you renew your license at the S.O.S.

I'm not in favor of having to produce any picture. My point is if it's going to be required, than the picture should be on the card. Choosing to exercise the privilege of driving has nothing to do with someone's right to vote.

Personally, I think it reflects a long-standing attitude from Republicans that it's easier to limit the vote than change their platform to appeal to more people. Gun ownership is a right in the eyes of Republicans, and they'll fight every attempt to monitor or limit that may infringe that constitutional right. So is voting...but they like ALL kinds of limits on that one !

Not sure where you are getting your information but a simple search pulls up republicans all over the country supporting voter ID laws.

It is the democrats that do not want it,why is that?

But despite those findings, Republicans in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Texas and likely other states including Michigan and Wisconsin are moving to roll back access to mail balloting, eliminate drop boxes, toughen voter identification laws and erect other barriers to the ballot in the name of improving voter security and restoring "faith" in the outcome.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-still-push-false-fraud-claims-to-restrict-voting/ar-BB1cFydu

MSN claims voting ID laws erect barriers.

BREAKING: Republican Legislators Push For MANDATORY VOTER ID LAWS, Stricter Guidelines For Absentee Ballots, MORE POLL-WATCHERS

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/...-push.html?m=1

Democrats cannot stand free and fair elections,that is why they fought so hard in order to keep the African Americans from voting in the first place

If we have secure free and fair elections it make it hard to cheat the system,some apparently do not like that.

Doing everything possible in order to provide free and fair elections removes the ability to question them in the first place,and makes sure everybody’s voice is heard,God forbid somebody actually has to go out of their way in order to practice their civic duty.

But they do not have to go out of their way,because there are groups and organizations that provide free support in order to help those who need it so they can make their vote count.

**Jimaz** · February-05-21, 09:35 PM

Once malice is embraced as a virtue, it is impossible to contain
October 3, 2018

The Trump era is such a whirlwind of cruelty that it can be hard to keep track. This week alone, the news broke that the Trump administration was seeking to ethnically cleanse more than 193,000 American children of immigrants whose temporary protected status had been revoked by the administration, that the Department of Homeland Security had lied about creating a database of children that would make it possible to unite them with the families the Trump administration had arbitrarily destroyed, that the White House was considering a blanket ban on visas for Chinese students, and that it would deny visas to the same-sex partners of foreign officials. At a rally in Mississippi, a crowd of Trump supporters cheered as the president mocked Christine Blasey Ford, the psychology professor who has said that Brett Kavanaugh, whom Trump has nominated to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court, attempted to rape her when she was a teenager. “Lock her up!” they shouted.

Ford testified to the Senate, utilizing her professional expertise to describe the encounter, that one of the parts of the incident she remembered most was Kavanaugh and his friend Mark Judge laughing at her as Kavanaugh fumbled at her clothing. “Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter,” Ford said, referring to the part of the brain that processes emotion and memory, “the uproarious laughter between the two, and their having fun at my expense.” And then at Tuesday’s rally, the president made his supporters laugh at her.

Even those who believe that Ford fabricated her account, or was mistaken in its details, can see that the president’s mocking of her testimony renders all sexual-assault survivors collateral damage. Anyone afraid of coming forward, afraid that they would not be believed, can now look to the president to see their fears realized. Once malice is embraced as a virtue, it is impossible to contain....

The cruelty of the Trump administration’s policies, and the ritual rhetorical flaying of his targets before his supporters, are intimately connected....

We can hear the spectacle of cruel laughter throughout the Trump era....

**Zacha341** · February-06-21, 01:45 PM

I think in part that is because the compass is wrecked as to what defines virtue. That's why you see virtue-signalling towards policies and ideas that are hardly virtuous. Instead mere distinctions towards being on the 'correct' team -- amended almost daily.

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Once malice is embraced as a virtue, it is impossible to contain October 3, 2018

**Richard** · February-05-21, 10:27 PM

^ Kinda like when we heard the cruel laughter when accusations against Biden came out?

The difference is Bidens accusers never got the chance to be heard before being silenced.

Fords accusations from the start were proven to be unreliable,even her FBI reports made that clear,but you guys used that false accusation as a political platform and even used it as a base to storm the hearings in order to disrupt them.

Now you are still so obsessed with Trump that you desperately keep trying to look for reasons,to keep the hate inside and as a diversion tactic so people are not paying attention to what is really happening.

So you continue to throw the baby out with the bath water with no regard to the aftermath left behind.

Or in plain English,BFD,or as you like to tell everybody else,move on he is no longer president.

I think after being inundated with oceans of orange man bad for the last 4 years,we get it,you do not want to sleep with the guy,but at least try and keep your fantasies about him as he still lives in the space inside of your head,to a minimum of whining.

Do what everybody else has done,write a book and become famous in a world that nobody cared about in the first place,so easy a cave man can do it,600 pages of simply saying orange man bad,or spice it up and have every other page say,Trump sucks.

In case you have not noticed it is 2021,Trump sucks,orange man bad is so 2020,we have moved on to rounding up and extermination of anybody that that ever supported him,some are so triggered that they need to erase everything and everybody in history related to his administration.

You know,Kinda like the statue purges,does not really do anything outside of a moment of pleasure.

**Bong-Man** · February-06-21, 09:45 AM

Has anybody here seen Lou Dobbs ?
Can you tell me where he's gone ?
He lied to a lot of people,
and dyed his hair orange to look young,
I tried Fox News and he was gone.

Has anybody here seen Sidney Powell,
Can you tell me where she's gone ?
She lied about massive voter fraud,
and Dominion has called her bluff,
and soon her license will be gone.

Has anybody here seen Rudy G,
Can you tell me which show he's now on ?
He dripped a lot of dye while telling lies,
ripped a fart and now he's gone.

**Bong-Man** · February-06-21, 10:00 AM

Amazing how some 50 year old music suddenly becomes relative again. It's also what happens when I 'wake n' bake' on a cold snowy day. Freedom !!

**Richard** · February-06-21, 10:41 AM

^ the last couple of posts seem more in the lines of purple micro dot verses smoke.

On that subject,I saw a bud the other day that was over a foot long and at least 9” thick,they are injecting carbon dioxide into the hydro systems creating triple the output of a singular plant,kinda kills the plant that Mother Nature created argument though.

**ABetterDetroit** · February-06-21, 01:32 PM

The level of corruption of the Republicans is reaching astronomical levels.

Here is one that was over shadowed by a election year where they screwed the citizens of Ohio a few Billion via their monthly electric bills and for the opportunity to put Tens of Millions in their own pocket.

This story drives home why the GOP want a “deep state” gone. Without Federal oversight they would bleed tax payers dry to enrich themselves.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-ho...-bribery-case/

**Zacha341** · February-06-21, 01:37 PM

^^^ Yep it is. And not exactly a 'level' flat-line of wholesomeness, virtue and gleeful honesty from the evolving democratic side.

**ABetterDetroit** · February-06-21, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^^^ Yep it is. And not exactly a 'level' flat-line of wholesomeness, virtue and gleeful honesty from the evolving democratic side.

I am not saying there is Zacha.

At the same time you can not excuse every abuse with ‘the other side does it to!’ Defense. If we do that we are doomed to massive public corruption. I hope I am correct that you can understand that. Many Republicans are rolling with that defense. It is irrelevant, illogical and lacks intelligence. Any student using ‘what about’ in a debate class would get a F.

**Zacha341** · February-06-21, 02:37 PM

^ I here that... I did not say you did, but that thinking is out there. No, I don't subscribe to the 'either/ or'. I get it - indeed too many are riding that busted teeter-totter [[we're up vs. you're down). Read the average news article - filled of revenge [[our turn) politics. That's why I choose to remain ever-vigilant looking both ways when crossing the street of politics [[to policy, to person). Must be the skeptical 'Detroiter' in me...

.......

Crazy times for sure! But not particularly surprising.

**ABetterDetroit** · February-06-21, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^ I here that... I did not say you did, but that thinking is out there. No, I don't subscribe to the 'either/ or'. I get it - indeed too many are riding that busted teeter-totter [[we're up vs. you're down). Read the average news article - filled of revenge [[our turn) politics. That's why I choose to remain ever-vigilant looking both ways when crossing the street of politics [[to policy, to person). Must be the skeptical 'Detroiter' in me...

.......

Crazy times for sure! But not particularly surprising.

Myself, I am shocked. For example: Any person claiming Sandy Hook was a faked conspiracy for political gain shows a complete and total lack of empathy for young American children that violently died and their survivors. Any and all politicians that turn a blind eye to that type of sick garbage because it underpins their political goals is beyond disturbing. The Republicans are excepting that crap. There are now way to many examples to claim it was a fluke.

**Zacha341** · February-06-21, 04:43 PM

^ Yeah I was perhaps being a bit facetious about the surprise factor.

Too many are becoming what they're going after!

**Jimaz** · February-09-21, 11:12 PM

Democratic Impeachment Manager Video at Trial -- How Trump Instigated Violent Capitol Insurrection

**Wheels** · February-11-21, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Democratic Impeachment Manager Video at Trial -- How Trump Instigated Violent Capitol Insurrection

Funny how they left out the part where he said march peacefully to the Capital!
How do you explain pipe bombs planted the night before if this speech started the madness? Not to mention the breach of the Capital started 15mi before his speech ended?

**Gistok** · February-11-21, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Wheels

Funny how they left out the part where he said march peacefully to the Capital!
How do you explain pipe bombs planted the night before if this speech started the madness? Not to mention the breach of the Capital started 15mi before his speech ended?

The MAGA crowd was NOT all in front of the Ellipse side of the White House. Some were far from the speech and were already on their way to the Capitol. Do I have to find aerial footage?

**Wheels** · February-11-21, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Let me explain it to you in common English... the MAGA crowd was NOT all in front of the Ellipse side of the White House. Some were far from the speech and were already on their way to the Capitol. Are you up to speed yet, or do I have to find aerial footage to explain it?

Are you still so naive to believe it was all Trump supporters? The FBI has released data that a large number of those arrested never even voted!

**ABetterDetroit** · February-11-21, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wheels

Are you still so naive to believe it was all Trump supporters? The FBI has released data that a large number of those arrested never even voted!

First they were Antifa, now not Trump supporters...what’s next Chinese spies?

Back to the thread topic, the downfall of the Republican Party is and will be that they deny reality and make up lies and fantasy conspiracies.

After losing the House, Senate and WH with a incumbent Prez you would think a light bulb would start to flicker... Instead they are going to just double down on more made up bullshit.