Voter Fraud in Detroit?

[Richard]

All in all as the wheels of politics continue to churn, it is commendable that the majority of the residents of the city has taken the lets just let it play out route,unlike many other cities that did the opposite in 2016.

[SammyS]

If only journalists did their job instead it takes a comedian on a podcast to reveal some very irregular voting data from Wayne county.
Scroll to 20 minute mark for the juicy bits

https://youtu.be/gDb7uQ76oJU

Spoiler
~170k votes with 97% toward Biden from 0 registered voters.

[Richard]

International interference in an election versus voter disenfranchisement? And gee, in an American city that is 80% black? No, there isn't any common sense in that line of thinking.

actually 78.6% I wonder if it is common sense to figure in not categorizing an entire group.

Surprising enough,in the African American voting group there are republicans,democrats,independents and even democratic socialists.

It is quite possible that any one of those groups could feel disenfranchised and would like their voices heard also.

Thats that narrative of Detroit is 78% black and we know all blacks think the same and all blacks are democrats and this is how they think.

Now if one said Detroit is a majority blue city that tends to vote blue as a majority,it becomes a bit more plausible.

[bartocktoo]

actually 78.6% I wonder if it is common sense to figure in not categorizing an entire group.

Surprising enough,in the African American voting group there are republicans,democrats,independents and even democratic socialists.

It is quite possible that any one of those groups could feel disenfranchised and would like their voices heard also.

Thats that narrative of Detroit is 78% black and we know all blacks think the same and all blacks are democrats and this is how they think.

Now if one said Detroit is a majority blue city that tends to vote blue as a majority,it becomes a bit more plausible.

Biden won Detroit with 93.5% of the vote. Yes Detroit is overwhelmingly blue. It's also overwhelmingly black. It is no coincidence that Trump is aiming at both, the latter is more effective in feeding his cult members' - yours, in this instance - insatiable appetite for the almighty's baseless conspiracy theories and constant lying.

Disguising ignorance as intellectual superiority, [[like making distinctions between 78% and 80% to side-step the point, among other things) falls flat.

[Meddle]

It is no coincidence that Trump is aiming at both,

Or that he's targeting two counties in Wisconsin that fit the same profile.

[bartocktoo]

Or that he's targeting two counties in Wisconsin that fit the same profile.

It's incredible.

[oladub]

Or that he's targeting two counties in Wisconsin that fit the same profile.

Wrong. Milwaukee might have much the same profile with ballots being filled in illegally by election officials and Republican vote watchers being shown the door but Madison has a different demographic. Only 6.8% of Madison residents are black. Madison is affluent, has an excellent get out the vote campaign and provides help seeing to it that everyone who wants to does vote. I don't know why the President is wasting his time and money recounting Madison.

[bust]

~170k votes with 97% toward Biden from 0 registered voters.

Pull yourself out of the rabbit hole. If you keep watching that right-wing racist homophobic youtube disinformation provocateur next you'll follow QAnon.

Knowing full well what I was getting myself into, I actually watched that part of the youtube video you pointed us to. [[If you haven't yet, I don't recommend you do.) It's nothing more than the same disinformation that has many times already been debunked by just about every credible news organization, big and small. It was even debunked earlier on this thread. You really have no excuse for continuing to push this. It's misinformation if you don't know better, and disinformation if you do.

Those mysterious 170,000 votes were mail ballots. And by golly, more than that many Detroiters requested them, as was widely reported before and after the election. More than 181,000, in fact. They requested them and actually used them? How can that be? Were they part of the conspiracy too??

As was widely reported, mail ballots are counted last and we should've expected that. But to push his conspiracy theory youtube dude cherry-picked a Wayne County Board of Elections report from a time when the Wayne County suburbs had finished counting mail ballots and Detroit had not. And no wonder the suburbs were able to count them faster-- was there anything like the chaos a certain side created in Detroit? By youtube dude's own admission, at the cherry-picked time he selected, the data showed voter turnout in Detroit was only about 15%, compared to often more than 80% even 85% in the suburbs. That should tell you right there what happened. If not I'll spell it out.

Turnout appeared so low in Detroit because until mail ballots were processed all registered voters were used to determine turnout while only in-person votes were counted. That's for good reason. They don't even start counting mail ballots until in-person ballots are done. Among a variety of other checks ballot counters must perform to ensure a fair election, they make sure mail voters did not also cast their votes in person. You see, they don't want anyone to vote twice. So with more than 181,000 mail votes requested, and 85% of Detroit registered voters not yet counted, does it really surprise you mail votes added up to about 170,000 once they were done? It's simple math.

Or does your brain or some other part skip reason because you have faith when you're told what you want to believe.

By the way, youtube dude must have emphasized four times, maybe five, how Wayne County suburbs are overwhelmingly white and voted overwhelmingly for Trump. "Trump country" he called them. He had to have known-- he had the data right there in front of him on the same cherry-picked report he used before. He cited many examples: Grosse Pointe, Livonia, Northland, Taylor, Canton, Melvindale, Van Buren Township... He lied. [[Go figure.) Biden won the majority of votes in all of them.

That includes my mail vote, my wife's, and all my Wayne County relatives' too. Maybe my fam shouldn't have been so scared to put up a Biden sign. Maybe there's a silent majority who know a con man when they see one after all.

Or were the suburbs in on the conspiracy too?!?

SammyS, reclaim your life before you fall too deep.
Youtube dude is discussed here:

Study Shows How the ‘Intellectual Dark Web’ Is a Gateway to the Far Right
People don’t just adopt far-right extremist views overnight — they have to become radicalized, and YouTube is the perfect place for that to happen
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...-study-877061/

[oladub]

Pull yourself out of the rabbit hole. Keep watching that right-wing racist homophobic youtube disinformation provocateur and next you'll be following QAnon.

Knowing full well what I was getting myself into, I actually watched that part of the youtube video you pointed us to. [[If you haven't yet, I don't recommend you do.) It's nothing more than the same disinformation that has many times already been debunked by just about every credible news organization, big and small. It was even debunked earlier on this thread. You really have no excuse for continuing to push this. It's misinformation if you don't know better, and disinformation if you do.

Those mysterious 170,000 votes were mail ballots. And by golly, more than that many Detroiters requested them, as was widely reported before and after the election. More than 181,000, in fact. They requested them and actually used them? How can that be? Were they part of the conspiracy too??

As was widely reported, mail ballots are counted last and we should've expected that. But to push his conspiracy theory youtube dude cherry-picked a Wayne County Board of Elections report from a time when the Wayne County suburbs had finished counting mail ballots, but Detroit had not. And no wonder the suburbs were able to count them faster-- was there anything like the chaos a certain side created in Detroit? By youtube dude's own admission, at the cherry-picked time he selected, the data showed voter turnout in Detroit was only about 15%, compared to often more than 80% even 85% in the suburbs. That should tell you right there what happened. If not I'll spell it out.

Turnout appeared so low in Detroit because until mail votes were processed all registered voters were used to determine turnout while only in-person votes were counted. That's for good reason. They don't even start counting mail ballots until in-person ballots are done. Among a variety of other checks ballot counters must perform to ensure a fair election, they make sure mail voters did not also cast their votes in person. You see, they don't want anyone to vote twice. So with more than 181,000 mail votes requested, and 85% of Detroit registered voters not yet counted, does it really surprise you mail votes added up to about 170,000 once they were done? It's simple math.

Or does your brain or some other part skip reason because you have faith when you're told what you want to believe.

By the way, youtube dude must have emphasized four times, maybe five, how Wayne County suburbs are overwhelmingly white and voted overwhelmingly for Trump. He had to have known-- he had the data right there in front of him on the same cherry-picked report he used before. He cited many examples: Grosse Pointe, Livonia, Northland, Taylor, Canton, Melvindale, Van Buren Township... He lied. [[Go figure.) Biden won the majority of votes in all of them.

That includes my mail vote, my wife's, and some relatives' too. Maybe my fam shouldn't have been so scared to put up a Biden sign. Maybe there's a silent majority who know a con man when they see one after all.

Or were the suburbs in on the conspiracy too?!?

SammyS, reclaim your life before you fall too deep.
Youtube dude is discussed here:

Study Shows How the ‘Intellectual Dark Web’ Is a Gateway to the Far Right
People don’t just adopt far-right extremist views overnight — they have to become radicalized, and YouTube is the perfect place for that to happen
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...-study-877061/

Bust, There are other reasons some disagree with you besides watching the "Intellectul Dark Web" whatever that is. For instance, I don't claim to know why computer apps are included or excluded from voting machines. I think we would be better off with paper ballots, including paper ballots, as required for Canadian federal elections. Canada always has its numbers wrapped up nationwide by the end of election day. In post 63 I listed some large Detroit vote dumps that ranged from 92-99% Biden. To me, that is fishy since no demographic nationwide voted 99% Biden. Blacks voted 12% Trump nationwide; a recent record of sorts. The unlikeliness that any vote dump could be 99% Biden should raise red flags even among the intellectually lazy. My suspicion proves nothing but if something stinks, it is reasonable for Trump to enquire why that should be. If state laws were broken, those ballots should be thrown out. If Republican witnesses were thrown out, whomever threw them out should be incarcerated and the votes in those places should at least be reviewed.

[Danny]

News conference today. They want to take it back!...LOL

The decision is final. Those 2 MAGA Trump supporting nutcases can't rescind their votes. They group already close the box. Having the 2 MAGA Republicans rescind their votes is very dangerous and treasonous to our American democracy. They already got lots of death threats and the national media dogs are barking at them.

There will no Benedict Arnolds in the United States of America.

[bust]

I think we would be better off with paper ballots, including paper ballots, as required for Canadian federal elections...

I STRONGLY agree we should have a paper trail of ballots. It's naive, at best, to not.

Some large Detroit vote dumps that ranged from 92-99% Biden. To me, that is fishy since no demographic nationwide voted 99% Biden...

But to say in one sentence Detroit mail votes per precinct [[assumed) ranged from 92-99% then discredit them as if they were all 99%? That's disingenuous, at best.

Meanwhile you might be surprised, living as you do in Wisconsin, where I last lived in NY my precinct voted something like 97% Clinton. Hillary Clinton. 24 years after her philandering blue dog husband was elected on a platform mostly only Southern Democrats could love. Neighboring precincts too. Where I lived before [[long before that election) maybe 95% [[it gentrified a lot). Before that 96%, at least, despite gentrification. The neighborhood before maybe 95%, 'cause Trump. Before that maybe 93%-- it had gentrified especially a LOT. And before that, before that, before that... [[Suffice it to say I never lived on the south shore of Staten Island or in a Hasidic and/or Russian neighborhood.) Before that where I lived in Philadelphia a 2016 vote tally with less than 95% for Clinton would surprise me, less than 97% Biden in 2020. And before that, and before that 90% at worst..

I only claim to know three cities well enough to have an informed opinion about them. Detroit is one. And I know how dumb it would be to fail to see differences and lump everyone into blocks. But in those three cities I lay claim to it would not surprise me at all that mail votes favored Biden by at least 92%, even if for many in the Primary he wasn't their first choice. Especially when Trump did everything he could to stoke/stroke doubts about mail voting and told his faithful to vote in person, so they did.

Biden or Trump? I can only say it, not spell it: Come ohnn!!!

[Richard]

So if one were to rig an election where would you target vote changes,in the cities where you already know the opposition is going to get a 95% turnout or in all the little counties,1000 here 5000 there,because state wide is where the totals are added up in order to determine who won.

I am the same agreement with the paper vote.

I personally do not trust the newly introduced technology,they are starting to find thumb drives all over that were forgot to be put into the system.

So even in this case and if they certify that Biden won,he will still be a lame duck outside of executive orders because so many seats were lost in the house and if the senate remains R controlled.

The question will still remain,were those seats lost because of the machines,did Biden win by a landslide or Trump etc.

How will those machines effect local control of politics in the future if they can be manipulated by something as simple as forgetting to upload a tiny little flash drive ?

Why were the counts performed in Frankfurt and Spain and not on US soil?

We all agree that everybody’s vote should count and matter so why are we so quick to write off these groups of votes that they are finding with 10,000 or more on a thumb drive that somebody forgot to upload?

Think about it ,you are working in the process of counting the votes,and you forgot to upload some,how is that even possible unless one has nefarious intentions?

You had one job - stick that little thumb drive into the machine and let it do it’s job- opps sorry I forgot that one - yea right.

The data streams are being presented,counting 1 vote 4 times in a row,changing 13,000 votes for Trump and 10,000 votes for Biden to 10,000 Biden votes and 13 Trump votes.

The only advantage here is we can read the streams and have a trail of where things go wrong.

Its one thing if Americans are committing voter fraud against another Americans but it is a whole nother ballgame when you have a voting system that was designed for dictatorships with who knows how many back door manipulations are built in.

I say give one of the machines to MIT and let them decode them and only then we can be sure.

Merlino of the Philly mob is now saying he was paid $3 million to process boxes of votes.

Do not know if it is true or not but the mob and unions have been fixing local elections for decades and Kennedy had his fair share of help from them,so it becomes plausible.

Its 4 hours after the election deadline,the media,nothing to see here folks move along.

[bust]

So if one were to rig an election where would you target vote changes,in the cities where you already know the opposition is going to get a 95% turnout or in all the little counties,1000 here 5000 there,because state wide is where the totals are added up in order to determine who won.

I am the same agreement with the paper vote.

I personally do not trust the newly introduced technology,they are starting to find thumb drives all over that were forgot to be put into the system.

So even in this case and if they certify that Biden won,he will still be a lame duck outside of executive orders because so many seats were lost in the house and if the senate remains R controlled.

The question will still remain,were those seats lost because of the machines,did Biden win by a landslide or Trump etc.

How will those machines effect local control of politics in the future if they can be manipulated by something as simple as forgetting to upload a tiny little flash drive ?

Why were the counts performed in Frankfurt and Spain and not on US soil?

We all agree that everybody’s vote should count and matter so why are we so quick to write off these groups of votes that they are finding with 10,000 or more on a thumb drive that somebody forgot to upload?

Think about it ,you are working in the process of counting the votes,and you forgot to upload some,how is that even possible unless one has nefarious intentions?

You had one job - stick that little thumb drive into the machine and let it do it’s job- opps sorry I forgot that one - yea right.

The data streams are being presented,counting 1 vote 4 times in a row,changing 13,000 votes for Trump and 10,000 votes for Biden to 10,000 Biden votes and 13 Trump votes.

The only advantage here is we can read the streams and have a trail of where things go wrong.

Just quoting him here so when he keeps spilling his drivel he needs to do it in a new post or the edit will be obvious. Half what he's put now he didn't put earlier. By his record, that will continue.

[bust]

New parts, not including changes I can't bother to check vs. parts prior.

Its one thing if Americans are committing voter fraud against another Americans but it is a whole nother ballgame when you have a voting system that was designed for dictatorships with who knows how many back door manipulations are built in.

I say give one of the machines to MIT and let them decode them and only then we can be sure.

Merlino of the Philly mob is now saying he was paid $3 million to process boxes of votes.

Do not know if it is true or not but the mob and unions have been fixing local elections for decades and Kennedy had his fair share of help from them,so it becomes plausible.

Its 4 hours after the election deadline,the media,nothing to see here folks move along.

We can only be sure there'll be more from him.

[Richard]

The decision is final. Those 2 MAGA Trump supporting nutcases can't rescind their votes. They group already close the box. Having the 2 MAGA Republicans rescind their votes is very dangerous and treasonous to our American democracy. They already got lots of death threats and the national media dogs are barking at them.

There will no Benedict Arnolds in the United States of America.

I am with you,anybody that does not agree with me is a treasonous traitor.

Interesting how one can see the path that every socialist dictatorship has followed to power in history.

Anybody that does not agree with you is considered an enemy of the state and should be dealt with.The media makes sure you know who your enemy’s are and who should be considered enemies of the state.

To bad the reporters pushing this stuff and the others following along are always the first ones that are eliminated when that rise to dictatorship power is achieved,read a little history.

Hong Kong’s last day of democracy was last week when the last independent newspaper owner was arrested and now the only news is provided by CCP-TV.

You know how they did that,by simply declaring that the newspaper was dangerous and treasonous to the party.

Every single reporter is sitting in prison now.

Be very carefull parroting the media,their only goal at this time is letting you know who the enemies of the state are.

AOC got up in front in front of the camera and told everybody to screenshot any politician or anybody on social media that shows support for trump so they can compile a list for future retribution.

political prosecution is illegal in this country.

It does not matter who we support,we need to be paying attention to what we are doing and what we are willing to risk in order to achieve that goal.

[bust]

^^Wow, that's a lot extra. AOC now, even.

The record shows he's up to it again :

Attachment 41024

[Gistok]

Rudy Giuliani says he can smell the fraud everywhere.... I wonder if he is picking up his own scent?

[Richard]

New parts, not including changes I can't bother to check vs. parts prior.
We can only be sure there'll be more from him.

Who is this we? You have a frog in your pocket ?

You are like a little knat buzzing about,maybe try growing up a little?

[Richard]

Rudy Giuliani says he can smell the fraud everywhere.... I wonder if he is picking up his own scent?

Well he is credited with cleaning up fraud and corruption in NYC,so he probably has a little experience with it,more so then you or I.

And how do you know what he smells like ? Geez are all Biden supporters sniffers?

Let me guess IF Biden becomes president,that will be the new fad,running around sniffing everybody.

Why did Dominion voting feel the need to give the governor and Secretary of State of Georgia $106 million to their families in kickbacks?

It makes on wonder how much they actually made in order to by giving those amounts out just because.

So they are in 29 states and if they paid out 106 million to each state,that is a chunk of change.

Dominion is a offshoot of Smartmatic,who was funded in part by the Chinese government and the Venezuelan government under Chavez.

What could possibly go wrong and why would a voting machine company pay out over 1 billion dollars just for the privilege to place the machines in the 29 states with the majority in heavy democratic controlled cities?

Why would they have to pay that kind of money out to place machines in cities that have always been blue?

Maybe because if the push to eliminate the electoral vote goes through then in the future any election would guarantee the results and making sure those blue cities control the rest of the country indefinitely?

Think about it,if you can control those machines,you can control the country.

Those machines are placed in a lot of countries and a lot of countries do not have the verification process that we do,in the dictatorship countries where they are,nobody dares to question election results.

Chavaz was not that smart,he started out as a dirt farmer,to me anyways this has China manipulation written all over it and I hope we get to the bottom of it,no matter what Giuliani smells like.

It is not a conspiracy when you look at the bigger picture no matter who you support.

70% of the media is owned by 6 people
There is a call to ban Fox and any media source that disagrees with the 5 major media sources.
The 5 media sources spend 24/7 telling everybody the opposition is the enemy of the state and a danger to democracy.
Politicians and elected officials are in front of the cameras calling the opposition racists and saying there is a price that will be paid in retribution for their political stance.

The amount of physical violence against opposing parties is becoming mainstream and often heralded.

In Michigan and other cities and states,officials and their families are threatened and intimidated if they do not tow the line and rule how a certain party wishes.

Where have we seen that played out before,where under every socialist dictatorship the opposition ends up dead.

Because you do not agree with the opposition 70 million are considered racist,far right radicals or what ever label one can think of in the justification process in order to declare them enemies of the state and discredit anything they say.

Etc etc

This is the exact same scenario just played out over the last year in Hong Kong,it’s the exact same thing that has played out in history,so it’s easy enough to check.

We as Dems and Republicans are so involved with fighting each other that we are loosing site of the big picture where there are others that have bigger goals,we need to stop that, we can have our political differences but in the end we are all Americans that can meet somewhere in the middle of we keep up this path that we are going down,there is no coming back because there will be no more dems or republicans.

[Meddle]

Who is this we? You have a frog in your pocket ?

In my case it's a mouse, and he hasn't got a house.
I don't know why. I call him Gerald.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.

We do a paper ballot. Use a pen to fill in the block, make it dark and solid. Then insert the paper into a scanner that reads and records the choices and captures the paper to a sealed retainer. Screen says if recorded or rejected for some error. If rejected, a poll worker make a note of it and you get a new ballot to try again.

We also have to show ID, have it scanned into the system, and sign the screen with a stylus.

Because you do not agree with the opposition 70 million are considered racist,far right radicals or what ever label one can think of in the justification process in order to declare them enemies of the state and discredit anything they say.

We call'em what they are.

[SammyS]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...trump-n1160882

“According to a Rasmussen poll conducted November 17-18, nearly half of likely voters, 47 percent, believe the election was stolen from Trump. If Joe Biden is ultimately certified as the winner, there will undoubtedly be a big fat asterisk on his presidency. This should be very concerning for Joe Biden. President George W. Bush had the 2000 election cast a dark shadow over his presidency, with many Democrats to this day refusing to acknowledge his presidency as legitimate. If Biden is confident in the legitimacy of the results as they stand now, he should be willing to let the process continue, and should publicly express his support for this.”

[Danny]

Two Michigan GOP senators will meet with President Trump to talk about Michigan's election progress. They can not do that because is illegal and treasonous. They must be arrested when they return to our state.

[Danny]

"political prosecution is illegal in this country."

Yes it can. If it involves sneaky influences and schemes of the courts or excites violence.

[Maof]

^^^ Here's an article regarding Trump's request for a meeting with Shirkey and Chatfield. ....https://apnews.com/article/trump-inv...7381175d6f3328

Also, I'm not buying that he called one of the republican canvassers to see if she was "safe"......https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ection-2020-11

She is also holding a news conference today with her attorney. The shit show continues and I'm afraid it will never end as long as DT is walking this earth.

[leapfrog]

If the election had flipped the other way, I'm sure the regular news outlets [[NYT, WaPo, CNN, ClickOnDetroit, etc.) would be all over any whiffs of Dominion Voting Systems issues. Since the election went the way we wanted, they'll ignore news like this as "baseless" or right wing "propoganda".

It'd be nice to wait to see how this plays out in court.

So far, it has been one "sad trombone" playing after another for the party attempting a coup.
So, yeah, so far it's been very nice to see how this is playing out in court.