Voter Fraud in Detroit?

[bust]

Further, election officials in Antrim County, Michigan, blamed Dominion... 💩

So predictable.

If he were from the area, maybe he'd realize we've already know about this.

For his benefit, an example: The Freep, in a news article not an editorial, called these "false claims" and a "vast conspiracy theory" that has been amplified by the lame duck President, his sons, and "far-right sites" [[such as his favorite one he referenced). The Freep called it "misinformation" when spread by the gullible and "disinformation" when spread for the purpose of making people distrust the election results.

Antrim County figures prominently in election conspiracy theory
https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ty/6209693002/.

The Detroit News also debunked it, along with the other Michigan-related election conspiracy theories he came here to push.

Why these Michigan election conspiracy theories don't add up
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...up/6186067002/

Wasn't it yesterday I said I don't trust anything he says and it's like he's here to push disinformation?

[bust]

Before you complain my post jumped from immediately in front of yours to immediately behind it, I deleted it and reposted it exactly as I did a few minutes ago, except this time I got the turd to work. That was important to me.

Another funny thing: you weren't here a few minutes ago yet you so quickly appeared.

This is another reason you seem like you're here to push propaganda. This isn't the first or second time and probably not even the third that you've appeared here within minutes after I've debunked your political disinformation.

[Richard]

^ you seem to think highly of yourself,hate to be the bearer of bad news but what you personally think has zero relevance and your Sherlock Holmes attempt is short of pathetic.

You are the one that quotes me and adds your extra stuff to my post,who is the troll?

Are you saying as you have posted The Free Press only distributes information based solely on facts and has never posted wrong information?

You also contradicted yourself .

I posted information where it was a fact that there was cases of voting irregularities in Michigan that altered the results of an election.

Your reply was
If he were from the area, maybe he'd realize we've already know about this.

So you were already well aware that there were issues but still claim that there are none.

Even though you even admitted it.

Thats makes sense to who?

The Freep is owned by Gannet in Virginia,do you think they really have an obligation to the locals anymore?

They are there to sell newspapers and are going to print what ever you want to read just as long as you keep buying the paper,do you really think they are going to print anything conservative in a majority democratic controlled city?

That is newspaper suicide.

According to this and many other local articles it was well known back in august that there were serious problems in the system.

So they fixed everything,right ?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/02/republican-observers-say-detroit-ballots-went-unchecked/5680540002/

Their accounts come after Wayne County election officials revealed that 72% of Detroit's 503 absentee voting precincts reported ballot totals that didn't match the totals of voters tracked in poll books, the official lists of voters participating in the election. The out-of-balance totals, which could have resulted from not checking ballots against the voter lists, would mean that the precincts couldn't be recounted in a close race under state law.

"The supervisors were called and seemed shocked, but the workers already admitted that they were told to process the ballots, even without a poll book," said an affidavit from GOP poll challenger Janice Brines of Oxford.


Now 3 month’s later the same exact claims are being made and as long as a ballot is received it is recorded after performing zero verification that it is an actual valid ballot.

So to make the claim that there is zero fraud in November is baseless because they already knew in August that there was some serious issues going on.

No conspiracy theroy when it is well documented,that is why nobody wants to verify the actual ballots because they are scared of the results that might be uncovered in the process.

[Dexlin]

Get this silly bullsh%t off of here.

[tlh908]

Late on election night, the NY Times gave a 95% chance of Trump winning Michigan. This is a very high confidence, but for whatever reason they decided not to call it for Trump. Then suddenly in the middle of the night the election suddenly swung for Biden. How was the NY Times so wrong? Or what happened that their 95% confidence in Trump winning Michigan turned into a Biden victory. Something does not pass the smell test.

[Meddle]

Something does not pass the smell test.

It's really not that complicated. The smaller, outstate results probably came in first. The areas of less population that were easier to count and more likely to go Red. The bigger urban areas that take longer to count came in later and tipped the scales Blue.

This is one main reason why I said earlier in this thread that the whole 'election night blow by blow' needs to stop. NO results should be reported until at least the next day.

[jcole]

I completely agree with you; The whole Gore/Bush debacle was exacerbated by calling states too early. Also, west coast states tend to vote less if they think their candidate already won. And as to the "blue" votes coming in late, you can blame the Republicans and their leader for that; they wouldn't allow an early vote count of mail-in/absentee votes so the count dragged on and on. If they had gotten to start a day or two earlly the vote would have been counted ay 2 am election night.

It's really not that complicated. The smaller, outstate results probably came in first. The areas of less population that were easier to count and more likely to go Red. The bigger urban areas that take longer to count came in later and tipped the scales Blue.

This is one main reason why I said earlier in this thread that the whole 'election night blow by blow' needs to stop. NO results should be reported until at least the next day.

[Richard]

I completely agree with you; The whole Gore/Bush debacle was exacerbated by calling states too early. Also, west coast states tend to vote less if they think their candidate already won. And as to the "blue" votes coming in late, you can blame the Republicans and their leader for that; they wouldn't allow an early vote count of mail-in/absentee votes so the count dragged on and on. If they had gotten to start a day or two earlly the vote would have been counted ay 2 am election night.

Good point,Gore/Bush election took until December 1st to decide and it came down to 537 votes that were the deciding factor.

Also in that case the media had already called Gore as the winner in the election.

Its not like we as a country are going through new territory with this.

Each state has its own little rules and they are supposed to be clear cut and followed from the start so these things do not happen,they cannot just change them as they go along,a deadline is a deadline.

Playing games with the ballots has been around for 2000 years,if it hadn’t then it would not have been written in that a sitting President has the right to challenge the results by the founding fathers.

No need to get all crazy and personal about it and if nobody ever challenged it then the fraud would be rampant.

[jcole]

And it was only in Florida, not 7 different states. And you do realize the US hasn't been around for 2000 years don't you? Unless you're trying to say they cheated when voting for Jesus????

Good point,Gore/Bush election took until December 1st to decide and it came down to 537 votes that were the deciding factor.

Also in that case the media had already called Gore as the winner in the election.

Its not like we as a country are going through new territory with this.

Each state has its own little rules and they are supposed to be clear cut and followed from the start so these things do not happen,they cannot just change them as they go along,a deadline is a deadline.

Playing games with the ballots has been around for 2000 years,if it hadn’t then it would not have been written in that a sitting President has the right to challenge the results by the founding fathers.

No need to get all crazy and personal about it and if nobody ever challenged it then the fraud would be rampant.

[bust]

'election night blow by blow' needs to stop. NO results should be reported until at least the next day.

Totally agree! They should wait at least until the last votes are cast.

[Richard]

Late on election night, the NY Times gave a 95% chance of Trump winning Michigan. This is a very high confidence, but for whatever reason they decided not to call it for Trump. Then suddenly in the middle of the night the election suddenly swung for Biden. How was the NY Times so wrong? Or what happened that their 95% confidence in Trump winning Michigan turned into a Biden victory. Something does not pass the smell test.

So now that they are reading the data streams,which are public record they are finding what is going on with the dominion machines.

In Pennsylvania alone in a 1 minute time frame Trump lost 17,000 votes while Biden gained 17,000 votes with only 54 new votes being registered.

So the software flipped the votes from Trump to Biden.

542,181 switched from Trump to Biden with a total of 2,865,805 system wide so far.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

So now that they are reading the data streams,which are public record they are finding what is going on with the dominion machines.

In Pennsylvania alone in a 1 minute time frame Trump lost 17,000 votes while Biden gained 17,000 votes with only 54 new votes being registered.

So the software flipped the votes from Trump to Biden.

542,181 switched from Trump to Biden with a total of 2,865,805 system wide so far.

Nice try Richard.... There was no "Hanky Panky" going on with Dominion Machines, or any other for that matter. People were tired of TDS [[Trump Derangement Syndrome) and voted him out.

[Zacha341]

Update re. th Detroit vote/ count:

MI judge rejects demand to block certification of Biden Detroit win...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/polit...ion/index.html

Trump Campaign, Supporters Face Setbacks in Michigan...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michiga...on-11605295879

[Danny]

Update re. th Detroit vote/ count:

MI judge rejects demand to block certification of Biden Detroit win...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/polit...ion/index.html

Trump Campaign, Supporters Face Setbacks in Michigan...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michiga...on-11605295879

There is NO evidence of voter fraud! Just Trump running off his month. He can't win every case. He has to deal with being a loser all of his life.

[Bong-Man]

Anybody here actually have any evidence that polling illegalities did not occur,like as in you were actually there and can verify?

Whew ! If you're using that same logic to explain the flat Earth, the spaghetti monster, and Bigfoot, it goes a long way towards explaining some of your posts.

Less than 50% of eligible voters in Detroit voted, and Biden got less than 70% of the vote. That's actually not a bad showing for a Republican. Trump may have won Macomb County, but he lost Eastpointe, Roseville, Warren, and barely won Clinton Twp. He pretty much lost a little across the board in every suburban area in a State he barely carried in 2016. He had 4 years to expand his base here and elsewhere, and did nothing but narrow his appeal during that time. He truly proved what he's always told us...he's not a politician. Last time it helped him. This time, it bit him in the ass.

Legal recreational weed passes in ultra-conservative Montana & South Dakota. It also passed in Arizona, which Trump lost by only 10,000 votes [[something I haven't heard pointed out from any media pundit...so you'll hear it from me). Same with student loan relief & health care. He literally offered nothing new to 3 generations of Americans.

[bust]

^^^ HAhaha, both of you!

I'm so glad the non-Detroit forum was closed. I wasted so much time debunking their propaganda. I know it's not my responsibility, but I love my country and my fellow Americans and they never stop. I'm happy with the additional time I have for other things.

If I were to address every falsehood and ridiculous statement in just their two posts last night I'd lose at least an hour. And their posts are three times longer today than last night. They keep piling onto them. If I responded they'd just add more, like last time. But we all have a better command of logic, and English, than they do, so I'll let them rest.

Maybe that's the best way forward anyway. Are they called ignoramuses because it's best they're ignored?

I wonder how long they'll take to respond this time.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

I'm just glad I don't have to deal with the Totalitarian another 4 years....

[Zacha341]

^^^ Me too! Here's hoping ALL the of the Totalitarianism is hold up solely, battened down nice and tight, without any risk escaping or otherwise manifesting from within the Trump box.

PS> Umm... No. I did not vote for Trump.

[Meddle]

Pandora tried keeping Evil in a box.

[Zacha341]

Tammany Hall!? That's old stuff [[so many folks under 25 only go back two presidents or elections as their referent). LOL!

As I said posts ago, who can defend with such certainty that all hands [[dem AND repub) have been '100% antiseptically clean' in this?

I'm not. NOPE. Not for party, or any other reasons. I've no motive to do so... looking at the factotums we were dolled out to vote for.

We had poor choices - I'm just hoping we Detroiters [[keeping this thread local) don't end up with 'buyers remorse' within the next year, if not sooner.

I DO NOT SAY THIS AS LOVIN' TRUMP. No. I say it per the alternate proffered as his replacement!

Anyway, next you'll be bringin' up that once popular canard "Vote Early, Vote Often'' of the Daley machine Chi-town! Or perhaps that was the stuff of eh' umm, pulp fiction?

Course, NPR has a different take on Tammany Hall...

The Case For Tammany Hall Being On The Right Side ... - NPR

...Democrat Party machines have been stuffing ballot boxes for at least sixteen decades. I’m not saying that Repubs. have never been guilty of election day crimes, but history shows that the Dems have been far more successful at it.

In New York City, for example, the Tammany Hall machine was rigging elections all the way back to the Boss Tweed era of the 1850’s. In the 1896 election, New York businessmen like Diamond Jim Brady had to keep their support for William McKinley secret, because they knew Tammany Hall would destroy anyone in the city who supported a Republican Presidential candidate.

[bust]

Wow, you read all that?! As if it matters?

Yeah, southern Democrats used to be a more coherent but not less awful version of the worst Republicans today, and a long time ago, some northern ones were too. Meanwhile, Republicans today are certainly no longer the party of Lincoln, no matter how much some try to capitalize on that. Not since Goldwater, if not before. Since Trump it's gotten ridiculous. They've become the party of the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, and QAnon. Lots of "boys" [["bois", haha sp?) in there, if also some girls [[goirls?) as dumb as they are. At least McCain and Romney were decent and honorable, and didn't trade in racism and conspiracy theories.

I can barely wait until the crybaby-divider-in-chief is escorted out of the White House by the Secret Service come January 20 and we return to sanity and respectability. I hope the Secret Service has by then recovered from so many having been infected serving the current administration they aren't still short-staffed.

Biden wasn't my top choice but Trump has so demeaned our nation I'm positively excited for him to start. Such a huge improvement. I can't imagine any American President could be worse than Trump.

All evidence says voter fraud played no role in the election-- not in Detroit, not in Michigan, not anywhere. Biden won by more than 5 million votes, and that doesn't include the ones the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled should count but were set aside by the PA Attorney General because of the pending law suit Trump filed in desperation. Biden won without them. Michigan wasn't even that close. Meanwhile, voter suppression some places was real.

Our grifter President isn't even pretending to serve our country any more. He's trying to figure out how to stay out of prison and avoid paying the giant tax bills he's tried to cheat American people. With his "election defense fund" he's already invented a new scam to pay off his campaign debts and possibly further enrich himself.

Maybe we're better off he does that and continues spending the rest of his time on Twitter, obsessing over TV, and conspiring with sad sacs like Giuliani. The virus is raging out of control but he still has the power to do worse. Here's hoping his further damage is limited through Inauguration Day. What a good housecleaning we're due.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Wow, you read all that?! As if it matters?

Yeah, southern Democrats used to be a more coherent but not less awful version of the worst Republicans today, and a long time ago, some northern ones were too. Meanwhile, Republicans today are certainly no longer the party of Lincoln, no matter how much some try to capitalize on that. Not since Goldwater, if not before. Since Trump it's gotten ridiculous. They've become the party of the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, and QAnon. Lots of "boys" [["bois", haha sp?) in there, if also some girls [[goirls?) as dumb as they are. At least McCain and Romney were decent and honorable, and didn't trade in racism and conspiracy theories.

I can barely wait until the crybaby-divider-in-chief is escorted out of the White House by the Secret Service come January 20 and we return to sanity and respectability. I hope the Secret Service has by then recovered from so many having been infected serving the current administration they aren't still short-staffed.

Biden wasn't my top choice but Trump has so demeaned our nation I'm positively excited for him to start. Such a huge improvement. I can't imagine any American President could be worse than Trump.

All evidence says voter fraud played no role in the election-- not in Detroit, not in Michigan, not anywhere. Biden won by more than 5 million votes, and that doesn't include the ones the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled should count but were set aside by the PA Attorney General because of the pending law suit Trump filed in desperation. Biden won without them. Michigan wasn't even that close. Meanwhile, voter suppression some places was real.

Our grifter President isn't even pretending to serve our country any more. He's trying to figure out how to stay out of prison and avoid paying the giant tax bills he's tried to cheat American people. With his "election defense fund" he's already invented a new scam to pay off his campaign debts and possibly further enrich himself.

Maybe we're better off he does that and continues spending the rest of his time on Twitter, obsessing over TV, and conspiring with sad sacs like Giuliani. The virus is raging out of control but he still has the power to do worse. Here's hoping his further damage is limited through Inauguration Day. What a good housecleaning we're due.

Bravo young man, truer words were never spoken. We're still dealing with one virus, but I'm glad we got rid of the other one......

[Zacha341]

Duly noted Bust, I get to what you said in parts, as I am an independent - not ever-carrying the water for either party.

Likewise, the Dem party that is to say Classical Liberalism for some, has ALSO changed as now greatly infiltrated by the far left [[with their own enthusiastic "boys" and "girls" at the ready too)!

This made manifest and hugely justified by the urgency to remove Trump, and set agenda that can readily justify much under the repudiation-of-all-things-Trump umbrella.

This will be proven by what the Harris/ Biden presidency push forth policy-wise as they come online to re-cast social culture and policy here in Michigan and Detroit. The easy-read, default view will find their new policies will be considered most expedient.

After all, they can reference Trump as justification to mandate said changes for at least the first year while emotion and impetus remains high.

But some aspects of this new administrations agenda may raise the concerns of even the most Democratic, devoted Detroiter's.

I say this as many Black people tend to be our own [[not easy to check-off as right-winged) brand of conservative, without being Repubs [[or having ever voted for Trump) on many levels. Such as, in regards to religion and family. Areas to which we still retain some cultural and political commitments.

Much of the far left detest religion [[particularly Christianity), and the traditional family. Righteously branding such as, ewww, uh 'patriotic', provincial, and privileged 'whiteness' as they call it [[ignoring their own privilege, ironically) that must be jettisoned! Preferring government holy writ - they plan to author.

Good times! As Black people are once again captive audience to much of this thinking, and policy mandates on our, eh, umm 'behalf'.

Again, the new progressive Democratic party in certain factions is no longer the party of the Traditional Liberal who decried heavy handed government, and had a healthy suspicion of big government. Todays far left too often wants ever-more government control of what you do and say.

The same control as demanded by the far right [[what an irony!).

The radical left within the party think they were given a mandate, but not just quite. In Detroit there may be just a tad of push back.

For example: Along the lines or racial injustice [[which I am NOT denying) the far left within the Dem party is counting on the black community and other POC to ally with them - broad stroke WITHOUT question or critique.

But they are forgetting that our core values and interests may not exactly line up as assumed.

Especially as we exam the civil rights movement here in the Detroit and what our priorities are - which are different to what they are in say Seattle or LA.

And we're [[Black people) a bit fed up of being handled in general, without even being asked what are our priorities beyond the Dem status quo and content of their progressive agenda.

Additionally, moderates [[for the sake of ADDITIONAL diverse thought and inclusion) within the Dem party will push back just a tad too. They will tire of being told how bad, and dumb they are. Perhaps.

As I said before, this was an election of VERY poor choices. Again, I'm just hoping we Detroiters [[keeping this thread local) don't end up with 'buyers [[or captive audience) remorse'.

...Republicans today are certainly no longer the party of Lincoln, no matter how much some try to capitalize on that. Not since Goldwater, if not before. Since Trump it's gotten ridiculous. They've become the party of the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, and QAnon. Lots of "boys" [["bois", haha sp?) in there, if also some girls [[goirls?) as dumb as they are. At least McCain and Romney were decent and honorable, and didn't trade in racism and conspiracy theories.

[One Shot]

They can’t even read let alone count. Problem is how do you weed out harvested and illegitimate votes and prove those are bad?
I would really like to see the whole thing redone and ONLY in person with proper ID. I think this angle would be fair and catch em
with their pants down! Are there really that many people brainwashed into thinking Trump is a bad guy? So bad anyone [[senile old man) is better?

[ABetterDetroit]

They can’t even read let alone count. Problem is how do you weed out harvested and illegitimate votes and prove those are bad?
I would really like to see the whole thing redone and ONLY in person with proper ID. I think this angle would be fair and catch em
with their pants down! Are there really that many people brainwashed into thinking Trump is a bad guy? So bad anyone [[senile old man) is better?

A do-over using the data from the election and only use the voting method where your candidate might do better? Are we supposed to believe if mail ins favored the lying reality TV salesman and Biden won the election with the in-person that you wouldn’t all be screaming that mail in is really how the election should be run with the pandemic and all and that is how the do-over should be done? Give us a break.

The far right [[in this case) and the far left can equally threaten democracy. Look around the world, when either takes over permanently everything goes to absolute shit. Democracy is the best thing going by far. Lets try to keep it a while longer. A habitual liar running a cult of his own personality is not worth fucking up how we elect leaders forever.