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    Duly noted Bust, I get to what you said in parts, as I am an independent - not ever-carrying the water for either party.

    Likewise, the Dem party that is to say Classical Liberalism for some, has ALSO changed as now greatly infiltrated by the far left [[with their own enthusiastic "boys" and "girls" at the ready too)!

    This made manifest and hugely justified by the urgency to remove Trump, and set agenda that can readily justify much under the repudiation-of-all-things-Trump umbrella.

    This will be proven by what the Harris/ Biden presidency push forth policy-wise as they come online to re-cast social culture and policy here in Michigan and Detroit. The easy-read, default view will find their new policies will be considered most expedient.

    After all, they can reference Trump as justification to mandate said changes for at least the first year while emotion and impetus remains high.

    But some aspects of this new administrations agenda may raise the concerns of even the most Democratic, devoted Detroiter's.

    I say this as many Black people tend to be our own [[not easy to check-off as right-winged) brand of conservative, without being Repubs [[or having ever voted for Trump) on many levels. Such as, in regards to religion and family. Areas to which we still retain some cultural and political commitments.

    Much of the far left detest religion [[particularly Christianity), and the traditional family. Righteously branding such as, ewww, uh 'patriotic', provincial, and privileged 'whiteness' as they call it [[ignoring their own privilege, ironically) that must be jettisoned! Preferring government holy writ - they plan to author.

    Good times! As Black people are once again captive audience to much of this thinking, and policy mandates on our, eh, umm 'behalf'.

    Again, the new progressive Democratic party in certain factions is no longer the party of the Traditional Liberal who decried heavy handed government, and had a healthy suspicion of big government. Todays far left too often wants ever-more government control of what you do and say.

    The same control as demanded by the far right [[what an irony!).

    The radical left within the party think they were given a mandate, but not just quite. In Detroit there may be just a tad of push back.

    For example: Along the lines or racial injustice [[which I am NOT denying) the far left within the Dem party is counting on the black community and other POC to ally with them - broad stroke WITHOUT question or critique.

    But they are forgetting that our core values and interests may not exactly line up as assumed.

    Especially as we exam the civil rights movement here in the Detroit and what our priorities are - which are different to what they are in say Seattle or LA.

    And we're [[Black people) a bit fed up of being handled in general, without even being asked what are our priorities beyond the Dem status quo and content of their progressive agenda.

    Additionally, moderates [[for the sake of ADDITIONAL diverse thought and inclusion) within the Dem party will push back just a tad too. They will tire of being told how bad, and dumb they are. Perhaps.

    As I said before, this was an election of VERY poor choices. Again, I'm just hoping we Detroiters [[keeping this thread local) don't end up with 'buyers [[or captive audience) remorse'.

    Quote Originally Posted by bust View Post
    ...Republicans today are certainly no longer the party of Lincoln, no matter how much some try to capitalize on that. Not since Goldwater, if not before. Since Trump it's gotten ridiculous. They've become the party of the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Boys, and QAnon. Lots of "boys" [["bois", haha sp?) in there, if also some girls [[goirls?) as dumb as they are. At least McCain and Romney were decent and honorable, and didn't trade in racism and conspiracy theories.
    Last edited by Zacha341; November-15-20 at 08:47 AM.

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