Voter Fraud in Detroit?

[rickbak]

Lots of fraud but some prefer not to recognize it.

Dude, most of us have recognized you as a fucking fraud since you first started posting your bullshit. Hope Uncle Vlad's paying you off in top-shelf vodka.

[Richard]

Dude, most of us have recognized you as a fucking fraud since you first started posting your bullshit. Hope Uncle Vlad's paying you off in top-shelf vodka.

Imagine that,those following the Bolshevik playbook accusing others,that is so 2016.The world moves fast if you do not follow along,we are on the Chinese now.

If the system was so perfect and worked so well,why are so many states now going into revamping it?

It’s kinda like admitting something without having to admit it.

I notice you guys have no basis outside of the personal attack,par to the course for those whose sole purpose is to create discourse while deflecting.

In chapter five of The State and Revolution [[1917), Lenin describes the dictatorship of the proletariat as:

the organisation of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of crushing the oppressors.… An immense expansion of democracy, which, for the first time, becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the rich…and suppression by force, i.e. exclusion from democracy, for the exploiters and oppressors of the people – this is the change which democracy undergoes during the 'transition' from capitalism to communism.^[14]

[gnome]

Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises


NYT - 2012

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/u...elections.html

A mail-in ballot has wrong written all over it.” That’s what CNN reported in 2008, surmising former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s position on proposals to vastly expand absentee voting.

Democrats supported voter integrity measures not long ago. In 2002, Steny Hoyer, now the majority leader in the House, spearheaded a law to “ensure the integrity of our election system.”“First-time voters who register by mail will be required to produce some form of identification,” Hoyer pronounced. “And states will be obligated to maintain accurate voting registration lists.” Bernie Sanders was a co-sponsor.
The legislation passed 92 - 2 in the Senate. Joe Biden voted yes.


A New Jersey election has been invalidated by a judge, and a new election has been ordered to be held, due to rampant mail-in voter fraud.

On Wednesday, State Superior Court Judge Ernest Caposela ruled that the election for a Paterson City Council seat had been irreversibly tainted. A new election has been ordered to take place in November.

https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/08/21/we-told-you-so-new-jersey-election-invalidated-because-of-mail-in-voter-fraud-n823582

I could go on and on but it was the democrats that were opposed to mail in voting and saying it was rampant with the possibility of fraud.

Interesting how when it works to their advantage,it becomes- what what are you talking about,there was no fraud,it was a perfect election,nothing to see here.

Flip flopping worse than a fish on dry land.

I am thinking the next step is to file impeachment papers on Biden for his abuse of power in the UKRAINIAN fraud case.

And China

Interesting how it took Australia and Britain to expose the data dump of 1.5 million Chinese operators embedded in the biggest companies in the US and was the fundraiser for west coast politicians.

No wonder everybody was so quick to claim the Russians,it took eyes off of their shenanigans,thanks to the foreign media for exposing what the American media has been knowing burying.

I guess we will find out in the end who was best positioned to play hanky panky with our elections,with willing accomplices.

2012!? You dig out old news from 2012 and expect anyone to seriously give you any consideration? Your line of bs is as old as your links.

Keep trying though dude. Spend a lot more time crafting your unique flavor of drivel; everyone can’t wait to read your priceless thoughts. Original thoughts. So original. Nary a hint of any cut n paste going on. No hints at all.

[Wesley Mouch]

2012!? You dig out old news from 2012 and expect anyone to seriously give you any consideration? Your line of bs is as old as your links.

Keep trying though dude. Spend a lot more time crafting your unique flavor of drivel; everyone can’t wait to read your priceless thoughts. Original thoughts. So original. Nary a hint of any cut n paste going on. No hints at all.

Gnome, Richard provided substance. Senior Democrats were against mail-in ballots due to fraud concerns. At the time, the Dems thought that the Repubs were juicing the vote in their favor because mail-in was mostly R at the time.

How about you address why Dems were concerns about voter fraud, rather than attack motives and doubt relevance. Its relevant, and worth discussing.

[[I personally think we don't see lots of interest in chasing voter fraud because EVERYONE is dirty. To be clear, there are lots of claims this time from Trump, but the Repub establishment isn't excited to chase this -- and of course the Dems are no longer interested in voter fraud since I'm not Trump will be sworn in.)

[Richard]

2012!? You dig out old news from 2012 and expect anyone to seriously give you any consideration? Your line of bs is as old as your links.

Keep trying though dude. Spend a lot more time crafting your unique flavor of drivel; everyone can’t wait to read your priceless thoughts. Original thoughts. So original. Nary a hint of any cut n paste going on. No hints at all.

It’s really that difficult to understand that it was your party that called it out in 2012 and even before in 2008 when Obama did and yet NOBODY did anything about it when they knew there was an issue with it.

Yes there was hypocrisy on the Dems side with today’s mess,but both parties had plenty of time to get it right.

The Bush/Gore case brought it all to light,and the states that recognized what was happing got their act together and even they had a massive increase in mail in ballots,and they were able to provide results without question election night.

That is the problem you guys created when you attack everybody from the onslaught,you could have just said,hey let’s take a couple of weeks and take a look and see exactly what happened.

Did you do that no you said no fuck off there was no fraud,and you had zero clue if there was or not,that makes your decisions only about partisanship and you do not care about disenfranchised voters,only when they may be you,election security or any future.

It is your civic duty to vote it is also your civic duty to keep the faith in the system for future generations so they can also exercise their right to vote in free and fair elections.

What is your response? Attack attack attack like some little spoiled brat,then pass it off like you are some stellar citizen because you got your personal way this time.

Why act like some little 6 year old or some little schoolyard bully,if that is how your are in real life it has to be a sad life to have all that hate in you where your only path to a discussion is to attack those who you do not agree with.

Funny how any links you guys post are the Bible and everybody else posts that you do not like you attack the poster.

That is just not normal and tells me two things,one you have a specific agenda contrary to the betterment of society or you are just an ass by nature.

Which yea okay,understandable some do spend their lives being miserable asses and nobody can change that.

That is the road you guys are wanting to continue on,if you want to continue to keep up with this national partisan war,no problem just inform grandpa smurf at the top to stop talking about all of this unity bullshit,because you guys are making it clear that you are looking for anything but.

The right can be just as much as a thorn in the side for the next 4 years as the left was for the last,you guys already cost your city and state with all of that BS.

Learned little in the last 50 years I guess.

Funny how people think they are amune to their little cancel culture campaigns,they have a way of coming back around and turning on you.

[Richard]

[[I personally think we don't see lots of interest in chasing voter fraud because EVERYONE is dirty. To be clear, there are lots of claims this time from Trump, but the Repub establishment isn't excited to chase this -- and of course the Dems are no longer interested in voter fraud since I'm not Trump will be sworn in.)

The problem is we are giving them exactly what they want,prodded by the media,we can all agree to disagree but when we are at the point where we are now with misguided attacks we resolve nothing.

For this to work we need the balance of both democrats and republicans and have a common enemy.

The socialist and commies only job is to create discourse and divide,Trump did not create this diversity,it has been happening for along time,just not in real time social media.

That is why in discussion there are those who have a narrative to stoke the fires.

The swamp does not care who swims in it and all of the politicians have been receiving their paycheck without interruption,and as we have seen enjoyed what others cannot in the process.

[Gistok]

Richard, I have been on this forum for 20 years... and I have seen a lot of people come and go. I have a bachelor and masters degree... and took a course in logic, which was required for my degrees, and more importantly for my job.

Logic has truth tables, and also differentiates the different type of logic fallacies. I can tell when people post on this forum whether they have some semblance of understanding the difference between sound arguments, and when they fall into the fallacy traps... I have had years of job experience in identifying one from the other.

You avoid the ad hominem fallacies... as do we all... because failure to stay away from that one will get you kicked off this forum.

But you do fall into so many others... straw man, slippery slope, red herring, hasty generalization, false dilemma, or when talking about Trump an equivocation fallacy [[almost all MAGA folks fall under this one).

It just becomes tedious and tiring to try to argue with you... it's like you're saying "my mind is already made up, so don't bother confusing me with the facts".

And then there is Trump... he lies every day... so many people are so jaded by that that they find excuses to not make it a relevant part of an argument, and yet it is. So debating about what he says or means is often futile.

And when talking about news sources... none of us who follow the MSM will agree that they are 100% right all of the time.

But when we debate people who watch and believe right wing media... it becomes even more difficult to have a serious debate with people who actually believe this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o&t=32s

And now with 300,000 deaths... these people should be publicly humiliated. But they have enablers who believe their commentary as gospel...

So yeah... we've tried having a serious debate... but it's futile...

[Zacha341]

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...proposals-vote

Re. the voting in Detroit: MSC Rejects Trump appeal

The Michigan Supreme Court on Friday rejected an appeal from President Donald Trump’s campaign, which unsuccessfully sued Michigan in an attempt to invalidate an election that Democrat Joe Biden won by 154,188 votes.

In a brief order, justices on Michigan’s highest court denied the appeal but offered no further explanation of their unanimous decision, which ends the Trump campaign's state-based legal challenge.

The suit initially sought to stop absentee ballot counting in Detroit...

Whitmer: Reconsiders punishment of Rep. Johnson

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Thursday called on incoming Republican House leaders to reconsider the decision to remove State Rep. Cynthia Johnson, D-Detroit, from her committee assignments.

Johnson was stripped from committee assignments on Wednesday by outgoing House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, for posting a video on social media calling on “Trumpers” to “pay”...

[Henry Whalley]

IMHO those politicians who want to overthrow the election results should not have taxpayer funded Secret Service protection because they are public enemies. It should be open season on their sorry asses. I would favor a bounty rather than protection.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Umm, eh, well ok. Is there an option for those of us [[not voting for Trump either) not feeling the offerings presented who won? ------

[Richard]

^^^ Umm, eh, well ok. Is there an option for those of us [[not voting for Trump either) not feeling the offerings presented who won? ------

No,as you saw play out in Portland,Minneapolis,California and Seattle once the conservative democrats lose the upper hand in these cities they use the violence to show who is in charge to the holdouts.

No shock as to that response to what people wish to do to those who do not tow the line.

Detroit made it through this time because it still has a strong mayor but notice how everything else in local government is transitioning into the progressive/socialist movement and implementing those policies.

My guess is when he runs again it will be against a progressive/socialist and that will complete the flip,that is why it is important to figure out the voting thing.

All of those cities, not only are people and businesses fleeing but with the defund the police push the crime rate has increased 500%,one mayor has even ordered the police chief twice now to release everybody from jail,45% reduction the first time and now another 35%,based on Covid ,it does not matter what crime they committed.

I wonder how secure the victims feel knowing that they are now at risk of retribution.

I give Detroit another 3 to 4 years max before it becomes fully progressive,and like they are telling you now,there will be no room for those who oppose,at any cost.

[Meddle]

Post 659 is unacceptable and should be removed.

[Richard]

Post 659 is unacceptable and should be removed.

Yes on the surface,but no because it is the warning.

Look at all of the cities that I mentioned,what we knew as blue cities no longer exist,but somehow systematically they were flipped to progressive/Democratic socialist when they did not have the numbers to do it,so how did they use the system to flip it?

What happens to this country 10 years down the road when the rest of these cities are flipped to the democrat socialist party,as we see now the push to remove the electoral vote and making exceptions to the rules.

Remove the electoral vote and who controls the country,the large population centers who are then controlled by the democrat socialist party.

That post tells you what happens to those who do not tow the line,what happened in those cities that I posted shows you what happens.

We as Conservative Democrats,Independents and republicans have always had our differences but we were always able to come to some kind of solutions that helped everybody in the end,that is what made this country work.

What we see now is the conservative aspect of the democrat party being wiped out,that is not a conservative democrat problem that is everybody’s problem no matter where you lean.

Biden is old school tried and true blue,he is not the problem,this country has survived blue and red flip overs at the top for over 200 years,but you know as well as I do what is right around the corner looking over his shoulder,at all levels,he is on his own,and you and I also know when they want to remove him,they will find a way.

[65memories]

Richard, I have been on this forum for 20 years... and I have seen a lot of people come and go. I have a bachelor and masters degree... and took a course in logic, which was required for my degrees, and more importantly for my job.

Logic has truth tables, and also differentiates the different type of logic fallacies. I can tell when people post on this forum whether they have some semblance of understanding the difference between sound arguments, and when they fall into the fallacy traps... I have had years of job experience in identifying one from the other.

You avoid the ad hominem fallacies... as do we all... because failure to stay away from that one will get you kicked off this forum.

But you do fall into so many others... straw man, slippery slope, red herring, hasty generalization, false dilemma, or when talking about Trump an equivocation fallacy [[almost all MAGA folks fall under this one).

It just becomes tedious and tiring to try to argue with you... it's like you're saying "my mind is already made up, so don't bother confusing me with the facts".

And then there is Trump... he lies every day... so many people are so jaded by that that they find excuses to not make it a relevant part of an argument, and yet it is. So debating about what he says or means is often futile.

And when talking about news sources... none of us who follow the MSM will agree that they are 100% right all of the time.

But when we debate people who watch and believe right wing media... it becomes even more difficult to have a serious debate with people who actually believe this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o&t=32s

And now with 300,000 deaths... these people should be publicly humiliated. But they have enablers who believe their commentary as gospel...

So yeah... we've tried having a serious debate... but it's futile...

If Lowell had a “Like” button I would like Gistok’s post 100 times,

[Richard]

Richard, I have been on this forum for 20 years... and I have seen a lot of people come and go. I have a bachelor and masters degree... and took a course in logic, which was required for my degrees, and more importantly for my job.

Logic has truth tables, and also differentiates the different type of logic fallacies. I can tell when people post on this forum whether they have some semblance of understanding the difference between sound arguments, and when they fall into the fallacy traps... I have had years of job experience in identifying one from the other.

You avoid the ad hominem fallacies... as do we all... because failure to stay away from that one will get you kicked off this forum.

But you do fall into so many others... straw man, slippery slope, red herring, hasty generalization, false dilemma, or when talking about Trump an equivocation fallacy [[almost all MAGA folks fall under this one).

It just becomes tedious and tiring to try to argue with you... it's like you're saying "my mind is already made up, so don't bother confusing me with the facts".

And then there is Trump... he lies every day... so many people are so jaded by that that they find excuses to not make it a relevant part of an argument, and yet it is. So debating about what he says or means is often futile.

And when talking about news sources... none of us who follow the MSM will agree that they are 100% right all of the time.

But when we debate people who watch and believe right wing media... it becomes even more difficult to have a serious debate with people who actually believe this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o&t=32s

And now with 300,000 deaths... these people should be publicly humiliated. But they have enablers who believe their commentary as gospel...

So yeah... we've tried having a serious debate... but it's futile...

Yes those deaths have had public enablers,it does not matter how many degrees one has or how long they have been on a forum to know the president has little actual control over the states decisions.

Use your intelligence and do a little research and you will find a majority of those deaths were from the state’s governors placing the elderly back into nursing homes while knowing full well what the results were.

The one thing everybody knew from the start and nobody can argue is you do not place the infected with the healthy.

Explain to me where was your logic on that one and who was the enablers.

Where is the logic when everybody,who has not been hiding under a rock,knows full well throughout history that local elections have always had a percentage of fraud.

There are the rules in place that are used to prosecute those when it is discovered,it is never discovered unless the system is checked or questioned.

It happens all the time where local elections are overturned because of fraud.

That has zero to do with logic,it is the way it always has been.

Now we look at motive.

We have an election questions of fraud are raised and even from the top we hear that this is the most secure election in the history of the country,backed up by the media that is owned by 6 people repeating it 24/7.

So what we have is a history of bi-partisanship questioning not only the potential for fraud in the mail in ballots but also in the machines,you cannot argue that it is not true,it is well documented.

Even you with all of your logic has never posted,yes there was fraud but not enough to change the results,based on zero investigations.

Logic?

Why did the call from some of the highest forms of government immediately call out there was no proof of fraud and this was the most secure election in the history of the country,the second day after the election before even all the results were in.

When nobody can deny that the primaries proved already what a mess it was going to be and the more mail in ballots that came in the higher potential of fraud because the system gets overwhelmed,and centers were understaffed.

You can demonize and attack all you want,but the one thing that you cannot dispute is what I have posted is fact and really that not hard to find.

That has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with motive.

So how about you start trying to dispel my content,that is publicly available and not disputable instead of useing all of these distractions that you are accusing me of doing.

[dtowncitylover]

What we see now is the conservative aspect of the democrat party being wiped out,that is not a conservative democrat problem that is everybody’s problem no matter where you lean.

Never mind the fact that the GOP also pushed out their liberal wing long ago. Or was that the Democrats fault too?

Remove the electoral vote and who controls the country,the large population centers who are then controlled by the democrat socialist party.

So you agree, the large population centers where most of America lives and votes doesn't want to vote for the GOP? Instead of blaming the Democratic Party maybe look inside yourself [[you and the Republican Party) and ask why that would be? [[Psssst look up the definition for megalomaniac)

[dtowncitylover]

So how about you start trying to dispel my content,that is publicly available and not disputable instead of useing all of these distractions that you are accusing me of doing.

That's not how it works. You make the claim, you provide the proof. Please provide the proof about election fraud [[which you can't considering nothing credible has been presented to the courts). And because you can't, please delete your DYes account. Nothing you say further [[and much of what you've said before) will make you a credible, worthy engager on this platform. You provide no value here.

[Richard]

Never mind the fact that the GOP also pushed out their liberal wing long ago. Or was that the Democrats fault too?



So you agree, the large population centers were most of America lives and votes doesn't want to vote for the GOP? Instead of blaming the Democratic Party maybe look inside yourself [[you and the Republican Party) and ask why that would be? [[Psssst look up the definition for megalomaniac)

First of all,please show me where I have ever posted that I am Republican as you have grouped me,I have made it clear in the past,I am independent because I feel it is always best to vote for who is best for the situation.

There have been good democrat leaders and there have been good and bad republican leaders.

I am and always have been in business where results count and everything else inbetween is BS

I do not have a problem with cities voting blue,that is their right and on the federal level the electoral vote evens it out.

My issue is when you look at the bigger picture it has little to do with democrats or republicans in charge of cities and everything to do with the socialist movement and what happens after that.

I have not really posted anything that is not already out there for everybody to see.

Local elections control local results,that is on the individual cities because they will suffer the consequences or gains of bad local decisions.

When you have a percentage of cities that have already flipped progressive/democratic socialist and more are lining up to join them and the call to eliminate the electoral vote starts having traction then yea I am not going to agree with it.

It is not a popularity contest and I do not need anybody to like me but nobody can deny what is happening.

Everybody keeps pushing all this race war stuff and civil war when it has nothing to do with race and IF it ever plays out,it will be conservative democrats,independents and republicans standing shoulder to shoulder.

[EastsideAl]

Electoral College voting now. Soon this reprehensible loony tunes coup d'etat will be standing in defiance of the entire constitutional apparatus of our democracy.

[EastsideAl]

Post 659 is unacceptable and should be removed.

Funny how this caring anti-threat righteousness goes only one way.



Rep. Gary Eisen says hello.

[bust]

Funny how this caring anti-threat righteousness goes only one way.

Trump and everyone who supports him are audacious hypocrites, at best.

I agree the post was inappropriate. But Trump and Trumpists have been crossing the line every day now. It's the new normal.

Heck, Trump's been crossing it his entire life.

[bust]

Is there anyone who saw this coming?

Oh, yeah.

[Richard]

That's not how it works. You make the claim, you provide the proof. Please provide the proof about election fraud [[which you can't considering nothing credible has been presented to the courts). And because you can't, please delete your DYes account. Nothing you say further [[and much of what you've said before) will make you a credible, worthy engager on this platform. You provide no value here.

What value are you providing when you automatically say nothing to see here.

How about you provide proof that there was no voter fraud,even though everybody knows there always has been,how come you guys are so eager to refuse transparency?

All of this could have been resolved within weeks.

Why are you attacking me personally,if you had nothing to worry about why would it even bother you? Are you afraid that transparency would reveal something that you do not want to see or recognize?

That makes it simple if anybody gets arrested,all they have to do is tell the judge that they are innocent,nothing to see here,then the judge says okay no problem have a nice day.

But that is not how it works is it,you guys sure have an issue with opposing opinions down to advocating for violence and removal of those who you do not agree with.

Motive

[jcole]

I'm delighted by this if still somewhat shocked that they spoke up

House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, said he fought hard for Trump and "nobody wanted him to win more than me. "However, "I love our republic, too," Charfield said. "I can't fathom risking our norms, traditions and institutions to pass a resolution retroactively changing the electors for Trump, simply because some think there may have been enough widespread fraud to give him the win.
"That's unprecedented for good reason. . " And that’s why there is not enough support in the House to cast a new slate of electors. I fear we'd lose our country forever. This truly would bring mutually assured destruction for every future election in regards to the Electoral College."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...jGtd0gPj73S0D0

[Richard]

Trump and everyone who supports him are audacious hypocrites, at best.

I agree the post was inappropriate. But Trump and Trumpists have been crossing the line every day now. It's the new normal.

Heck, Trump's been crossing it his entire life.

Right like when Antifa stabbed 4 Trump supporters the other night that were practicing their right to peacefully protest,or the Trump supporter and his wife were inside of their house when it was firebombed simply because of their political leanings.

Tens of thousands of Trump supporters have been protesting for weeks now,how many newscasts have you watched of businesses being destroyed and cities burning,but yet Trump supporters are the threat.