BLM Protests Continue-Where's This Going? Intended Outcomes?

[Meddle]

No one is proposing a ban of any United States historical flags.

[Ray1936]

No one is proposing a ban of any United States historical flags.

Well, the old Confederate Stars and Bars has take a real beating this year. [[Hey, don't get pissed at me, I'm just trying to lighten everything up around here. It's really become gloomy lately.)

[oladub]

aj: Here's a little American history for you all. The Founding Fathers must have been SOCIALIST! Not only did they pull down statues, but they committed theft and vandalism [[Boston Tea Party).

Good thing you all weren't around back then, you would have been on the side of the British.

Limiting your mention of statues to those of revolutionary days, statues of Francis Scott Key, George Washington, and multiple statues of Jefferson have been destroyed by black clad white brownshirts. That sounds more like the choices of King George than of anyone who would have sided with the British.

Getting this back to being a thread about BLM, these antifa wannabes have diverted the news away from BLM or at least the George Floyd narrative about police brutality to ongoing arson and vandalism in Democratic Party controlled American cities.

[Wheels]

It’s been 7 years since BLM was formed. They have raised over a billion dollars. They haven’t had 1 neighborhood cleanup, sent 1 poor black child to college, bought school supplies, fed the hungry, donated to a food bank or provided housing to 1 poor black family. Where is the money going other than to buy huge charter buses to transport members to riots!

[Jimaz]

... Where is the money going other than to buy huge charter buses to transport members to riots!

Those buses belong to the Toronto Raptors, not BLM.

[aj3647]

It’s been 7 years since BLM was formed. They have raised over a billion dollars. They haven’t had 1 neighborhood cleanup, sent 1 poor black child to college, bought school supplies, fed the hungry, donated to a food bank or provided housing to 1 poor black family. Where is the money going other than to buy huge charter buses to transport members to riots!

You literally just copied and pasted that text from a fake news meme on Facebook.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-buses-photo/

As has already been pointed out by Jimaz, this is a LIE and the buses belong to the Toronto Raptors.

[Jimaz]

Maybe it would be beneficial to do contact tracing on people who have been infected by Facebook memes — only for public health reasons, of course.

[Zacha341]

'...Looks like downtown Baghdad': Feds protecting courthouse 'fear for their lives' after 61 nights of unrest

Trumps people getting some good ole' push-back! Hah! Good times!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-divides.html

[Johnnny5]

'...Looks like downtown Baghdad': Feds protecting courthouse 'fear for their lives' after 61 nights of unrest

Trumps people getting some good ole' push-back! Hah! Good times!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-divides.html

Idle hands are the devil's workshop. I'm not religious, but IMO that's really the force behind most of these protests/riots.

Dedicated students and gainfully employed people don't have the time to spend 61 straight days involved in this nonsense. Protests for fair treatment of black Americans is a just and worthy cause, but these protesters/rioters appear to just be jumping from one target to the next. That makes me believe that the act of protesting is in itself the primary goal. Simply put, they're out there because they have nothing else to do!

[Richard]

When you look at the video,most of the ones doing the damage seem you be in the 15 - 23 year old range,skateboarders useing the skateboards to bust the windows,taggers going wild.

What is funny is they go up to the fence and taunt,but when the police move forward,they run like little girls.

They could probably throw a bunch of BBs on the street to stop the skate boarders and send a girl in to bit*h slap the others,not that I am insiting voilence or encouraging 7 year old girls to go in there to handle them,but it would probably work.

I am beginning to think some of those leaders are on some serious drugs, when they talk about Trump sending in troops in order to protect federal property,which is required by law, that the reasoning behind it is to set up for declaring martial law if he losses the election and does not step down from offices.

To me if they are thinking like that,then they would have no problem in acting the very thing they are discussing,they seem to have thought it out pretty well.

The biggest question is,how are they going to handle it when he wins?

We already are getting a taste of their preferred method,by burning cities to the ground.

[Zacha341]

Once the court house, etc. are burned to the ground it's gonna be a mess to obtain records/ documents not stored in cloud.... well OK.

White House to pull troops OUT of Portland as it's revealed city is fining authorities $500 every 15 minutes for the 'unauthorized' fence outside the courthouse...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

[Honky Tonk]

White House to pull troops OUT of Portland as it's revealed city is fining authorities $500 every 15 minutes for the 'unauthorized' fence outside the courthouse...

I'm glad to Ted Wheeler has figured out a way to raise money to save his failed legacy as Mayor.

[Richard]

As a United States taxpayer I would like to present to the cities of Seattle and Portland a bill in the amount of 18 million for damages to federal property located within those cities.

Payable on demand with an interest rate of 18% compounded daily until paid.

[oladub]

As a United States taxpayer I would like to present to the cities of Seattle and Portland a bill in the amount of 18 million for damages to federal property located within those cities.

Payable on demand with an interest rate of 18% compounded daily until paid.

While the federal government has a fiduciary responsibility to look after its property and a constitutional obligation to uphold it own laws, the federal government, Trump's dispatched police, have little right to otherwise be policing places where they are not invited. If Democratic mayors choose to countenance massive destructions in their cities, that must be ok with the voters who elected them.

However, as a federal taxpayer watching federal debt spiral out of control, I would like to see these cities repay the federal government for damages and costs associated with federal taxpayers. In Minneapolis, for instance, two post offices were looted and burned down. Why should repairing them come out of the USPS budget? Minneapolis' Mayor Frey had the audacity to send a request for the federal government to pay Minneapolis $50M to pay for its riot damages. President Trump said 'no' as he should have.

In addition, if a demonstration turns into a riot, the organizations that sponsored and created the demonstration should be sent a bill. If a rock concert disintegrated into violence and community destruction, I think it would be possible to sue the organizers of the rock concert for not providing security to prevent such things. if a manufacturer produces a faulty product, e.g. Corvairs or cigarettes, that results in injuring people, they can be held liable. Similarly, if BLM organizes a protest on an expressway or federal building and it goes haywire, BLM should held liable as an organizer and stakeholder.

[Bigdd]

Similarly, if BLM organizes a protest on an expressway or federal building and it goes haywire, BLM should held liable as an organizer and stakeholder.

Of course the problem is,.. BLM's actions are so sinister that they don't dare admit who they are. They aren't proud enough of their actions and motives to stand behind them. They're criminal cowards who hide behind masks.

So it's hard to send a bill to a group with no property or membership list.

Though,.. being sponsored by George Soros since it's foundation,... perhaps they do have a bank account somewhere that can be seized?

[JBMcB]

Meanwhile, rates of non-violent crime have stayed relatively stable in most major cities, but violent crime has been spiking since late May. There appears to be correlation to cities whom have had major protest activity.

https://covid19.counciloncj.org/2020/07/28/crime/

tl;dr summary [[the summary really isn't that long) is that police force redeployment to protest areas, along with pulling back on "proactive" policing, has led to an increase in violent crime. It sounds somewhat farfetched, but similar spikes were seen in Chicago after an ACLU lawsuit, and in St. Louis / Ferguson after the protests there.

So, I don't think the solution is going to be to pull back on policing in general. I understand diverting police funds to preventative measures would help in the long term, but the leading edge effect is likely going to be more violent crime.

[pjbear05]

As a United States taxpayer I would like to present to the cities of Seattle and Portland a bill in the amount of 18 million for damages to federal property located within those cities.

Payable on demand with an interest rate of 18% compounded daily until paid.

Better you present a bill for the medical expenses of the Federal officers blinded by the idiots who targeted them with lasers.

[Richard]

1. The Department of Homeland Security, Federal Protective Service, through 40 U.S.C. § 1315, has the responsibility to “protect the buildings, grounds, and property that are owned, occupied, or secured by the Federal Government … and persons on the property.” 40 U.S.C. § 1315[[a). This authority permits the Secretary of Homeland Security to designate law enforcement officers for the protection of federal property. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315[[b). Additionally, among other authorities for the protection of federal property, the Secretary has the authority to promulgate criminal regulations for the protection of federal property. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315[[c).

https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-6600...0and%20abroad.

By law the mayors and governors have no say when it comes to protecting federal property.

When they demanded that Trump remove the federal forces that were protecting US taxpayer property he should have told them “nuts”.

Retired Lt. Gen. Harry W.O. Kinnard, a paratroop officer who suggested the famously defiant answer "Nuts!" to a German demand for surrender during the 1944 Battle of the Bulge, has died. He was 93.

[Meddle]

However, as a federal taxpayer watching federal debt spiral out of control, I would like to see these

jackbooted thugs [[Bush's words) disbanded. As I recall, DHS wasn't intended to be guerilla street headbusters. And how did Bureau Of Prisons Goon Squads get sent there?

US Courthouses are under the auspices of the US Marshall's Service and the Federal Protective Service who's primary purpose is security of the premises. I don't see how they should be in the streets bashing heads.

[Bigdd]

US Courthouses are under the auspices of the US Marshall's Service and the Federal Protective Service who's primary purpose is security of the premises.

I don't see how they should be in the streets bashing heads.

Are they?

I thought they were in the courthouse, and later just outside the courthouse trying to protect it?

First they were staying indoors. But the criminal rioters were smashing the windows, damaging the exterior, throwing in accelerates like kerosene, gas etc [[which if lit would cause even more damage to the property and of course could cause death or injury to the security personnel.

So the officers HAD TO go outside and protect it from the lawn.

They erected a fence to try to keep space between them and the criminal rioters, but the criminal rioters were breaking through the fence.

They either need to get a MUCH bigger force in there with high-def cameras to be able to track everyone's movements. Then arrest everyone that was pushing on, cutting etc the fence, or throwing anything at the building or the officers,.. and put all of them away for 10 years.

Put a few hundred or so of them in prison for a decade and see if this doesn't calm down.

[Richard]

jackbooted thugs [[Bush's words) disbanded. As I recall, DHS wasn't intended to be guerilla street headbusters. And how did Bureau Of Prisons Goon Squads get sent there?



US Courthouses are under the auspices of the US Marshall's Service and the Federal Protective Service who's primary purpose is security of the premises. I don't see how they should be in the streets bashing heads.

The Administrator of the General Services Administration is responsible for the maintenance and operation of federal offices and buildings throughout the United States. See 40 U.S.C. § 301 et seq. However, the duty to protect federal property now resides with the Secretary of Homeland Security. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. In order to fulfill this responsibility, the Secretary is authorized to enforce the Rules and Regulations Governing conduct on Federal Property. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315. Violations of these regulations are criminal offenses, punishable by thirty days imprisonment, a $5,000.00 fine, or both. See 40 U.S.C. § 1315[[c)[[2). The Rules and Regulations Governing Conduct on Federal Property can be found in Title 41 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

So what you are saying is for example,if you are standing on your doorstep,somebody walks up to you and throws a fireworks into you house,if they make back to the street they have immunity?

No it does not work that way.

The federal forces have every right to chase down thugs that throw fireworks or explosive devices over the fence,because the thug has then committed a federal crime and they can apprehend them.

[Richard]

Better you present a bill for the medical expenses of the Federal officers blinded by the idiots who targeted them with lasers.

Over 700 officers and 60 secret service members have been hurt so far ,and the media shows waaaaa I got pepper sprayed.

We used to use it for mouthwash in the mornings.

The hottest hot sauce is like 800 scones,LEO pepper spray is 3 million scones.

I was watching a video and a protester with his son who seemed to be in his twenties got blasted with pepper spray after refusing to move along when directed.

The son was screaming and crying and his father told him.... you need to man up boy. It was hilarious.

[Richard]

The radicals are following the CIA playbook of how to overthrow governments,but on US soil.

They are probably funded by the Chinese and Russians,which is why they threw the whole Russian collusion in there in order to distract from and pull the heat away from them.

[Ray1936]

I sure don't meant to thread hijack -- I hate it when that happens -- but living in the west as I do every time I see "BLM", my instant thought is Bureau of Land Management, who owns 85 percent of the land in Nevada. Just sayin'. Carry on.

[Zacha341]

^^^ What book? 'Rules for Radicals'...? Course trying that out [[beyond the classroom) is not so neat... there's tragedy and injustice for the just and the unjust. Shucks.

That must have been mentioned on page..........?