Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

[Gistok]

New 'worst-ever' COVID variant could make vaccines 40% less effective as the UK and Israel ban travel... but passengers will continue to stream into US.

Here we go. Yet our borders remain wide open [by way of Airlines and illegals].

Looks like the USA and the EU [with other countries already jumping aboard the bandwagon] will have put in place travel restrictions to southern Africa...

U.S. to restrict travel from 8 African nations after Covid variant detected [[msn.com)

Flights should be suspended over new variant: Von der Leyen [[msn.com)

Not sure just how successful this will be though...

[Richard]

Although international human rights law allows for the restriction of rights in the face of public health emergencies, such restrictions must be the minimum intrusion necessary to effectively address the public health concern. This concept has been articulated in the Siracusa Principles on the Limitation and Derogation Provisions in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which reflect the broad understanding of human rights as a balance between the rights of individuals and the interests of the community [24].

https://jiasociety.biomedcentral.com...1758-2652-11-8

That was during the AIDS epidemic and relating to wanting to impose travel restrictions on Africa.

[Ray1936]

Hey. Don't matter. We're all gonna die anyway.

[Richard]

It could be worse,it is August 6 1945 and we are all sitting around having our morning tea at 8:15 in the morning,when off in the distance we hear the droning of a lone airplane engine ……….

Live your life while you are alive.

[Ray1936]

It could be worse,it is August 6 1945 and we are all sitting around having our morning tea at 8:15 in the morning,when off in the distance we hear the droning of a lone airplane engine ……….

[Zacha341]

Yes, yet there's the option as stated by Euripides, to "...die on my feet than live on my knees."

I choose the former.

Hey. Don't matter. We're all gonna die anyway.

[Honky Tonk]

Yes, yet there's the option as stated by Euripides, to "...die on my feet than live on my knees."

I choose the former.

Good post.

[Jimaz]

Yes, yet there's the option as stated by Euripides, to "...die on my feet than live on my knees."

I choose the former.

Good post.

This act would be more convincing if it were coming from separate skulls.

[Zacha341]

In the mean time, more info on the new variant from [approved news] CNN... Lord Fauci weighs in as well:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/opini...end/index.html

I'm wondering if this variant kills more? Infection rate referenced, not deaths.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Hey. Don't matter. We're all gonna die anyway.

True. If Covid doesn't get ya, it'll be something else.

[Zacha341]

Facui says 'he wouldn't be surprised' if Omicron was already in the US...

Biden slammed for waiting till Monday to ban flights from South Africa: One-in-ten passengers who landed in Holland from Johannesburg had COVID

Seems somewhat a moot effort considering, in stark contradiction, as our borders remain wide open for mostly un-vaxxed illegals to enter readily and freely.

Open US Borders. Regardless of: 1. infection rate risk-factors, 2. strains, 3. variants, 4. vaccine mandates, 5. boosters!

[Zacha341]

Yep. That is why while I have DO/ HAVE taken precautions against getting COVID 19, I refuse to live in constant fear and bondage.

True. If Covid doesn't get ya, it'll be something else.

[softailrider]

Might have got that booster shot a couple months too soon.....

[Honky Tonk]

Might have got that booster shot a couple months too soon.....

Not to worry, I'm sure the "booster-booster" won't be too far behind.

[Honky Tonk]

Not to worry, I'm sure the "booster-booster" won't be too far behind.

What did I tell you?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-sa...153353672.html.

[jcole]

They've been saying for weeks their might be a second booster as well as one or two boosters per year hear on out, kind of like, oh, I don't know; a flu vaccine yearly?

What did I tell you?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-sa...153353672.html.

[Richard]

What did I tell you?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-sa...153353672.html.

lol they will have a booster shot in 100 days,after saying they do not even know if one will be needed.

More like a booster will be required,the 100 day time line is so they can figure out the quarterly dividends in time.

My guess is there is a pharm rep sitting in a grass hut over there tweaking the virus every 6 months in order to keep the gravy train running.

Bet chá if we said no politicians or their families can be invested in pharm,this would go away tomorrow.

[Gistok]

About the new South African Covid variant...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...ccines-vpx.cnn

[oladub]

Despite my qualms about where this is heading as existing vaccines lose their potency and even causes some problems, I am reminded by someone in the trenches of what is going on. This is a Facebook posting of Christine Albrecht a health care worker in Minnesota where COVID is even more of a problem than in Michigan.

"I have just finished a 7 day stretch as hospitalist. Lakewood is a critical access hospital that has a 25 bed capacity with 2 designated ICU beds. Normally we transfer severely ill patients to a higher level of care. I feel it is important that everyone know the current state we are in. No politics. No bullshit. Just a tired doctor--emotionally and physically. We have 12 COVID positive patients struggling in our hospital. 8 are in the ICU. 2 are on the ventilator. We called 13 hospitals to find a bed for our patients on the ventilator--no one has room. We were able to put one the queue for the state's critical care coordination center which helps place patients into ICUs--they allowed us to put one patient on the list but told us that they haven't been able to place anyone for days. These are not all old people with chronic diseases. This is not the old COVID. This is much worse. Our current COVID patients are younger--we have 2 in their 30's, 3 in their 40's, 2 in their 50's, 3 in their 60's. A few in the 70-85 range, but most are young. Our intubated patients are people a few weeks ago who were working full time jobs. I have friends in the hospital currently ill. It is hard to watch them suffer with this awful disease. They describe the pain of glass shards in their chest when they cough. They struggle to get enough air--even with liberal morphine use. I would say it is one of the more tortuous ways to die that I have ever seen. None of these people are vaccinated. I have had a vaccinated patient need to get some fluids when they have had COVID this week and they didn't feel great, but they went home in a day. If you are able to make an educated decision and you saw what I saw this week, you would get a vaccine if you have not already. I don't care how far you have your heels dug in on not vaccinating for whatever reason, if you saw what I have seen this week you would change your mind. The type of vaccine doesn't matter, they all work at keeping people out of the hospital and from dying a horrible long tortuous death."

[Richard]

^ not for nothing but there are several varieties of that same post going around Fbook,I do notice they escape the fact checkers,unlike everything else Covid related.

I have to wonder if all of these supposed doctors in the propaganda FB posting have never experienced somebody dying a long tortuous death before,I am not a doctor and I have seen it plenty of times not Covid related.

A majority that have experienced cancer die a long torturous death,and the doctors see profit in that,so they can save all of that sanctimonious BS for the coffee room or trying to impress young nurses.

I am in a bit of shock over the CNN video,they actually put something up that does not tell everybody to go jump off of a roof because they will die of a horrible death.

It appeared to actually be a balanced video.

All of this cannot find ICUs bs,there is 1 level 1 trauma center by me the only one in the city of over 3 million,they have 12 ICUs,everybody else has 3 or 4 maximum.

I was in that ICU in January of 2020 it was already full before they started moving patients out in preparation for Covid cases.

National health in England already had a 2 hour wait for an ambulance,then once the ambulance brought you to the hospital,you had another 30 minute wait in the parking lot before you could get emergency services.

They were overwhelmed before covid,city sponsored hospitals were overwhelmed before covid,there is also a major disparity in Covid death hotspots and locations of hospitals,a majority centered around low income city run hospitals.

They need to stop with the drama,the endless lines of experts,the pandering politicians,the power hungry little wannabe dictators and the ones that are seeking their 15 minutes of fame.

I have to wonder if there is at least 1 person in this world dealing with the virus and the virus only,that can actually be honest with the public and has no other agenda,Kinda doubt it.

Like cancer,this is another thing that rakes in billions of dollars and research grants which gives nobody any incentive to actually cure anybody,lest their gravy train goes dry.

If you are unvaccinated you are going to die

Johnson & Johnson had the second-highest incidence rate, at 171.92 cases per 100,000.
Pfizer had the third-highest, at 135.64.
And Moderna had the lowest rate, at 86.28 cases per 100,000 people.

What do you tell the vaccinated ones on their death bed? Oppps ?

Somebody always has to be the other guy.

[oladub]

^ not for nothing but there are several varieties of that same post going around Fbook,I do notice they escape the fact checkers, unlike everything else Covid related.

I have to wonder if all of these supposed doctors in the propaganda FB posting have never experienced somebody dying a long tortuous death before,I am not a doctor and I have seen it plenty of times not Covid related.

I have a daughter who is a physician in Minnesota. One of her personal friends wrote this. My daughter passed it on. As far as I know my daughter and Dr. Albrecht are both real. Dr. Albrecht posted this on Facebook. I looked up the author's name and Lakewood Hospital where she claimed to work and voilà she is a doctor there. She is rated 4.9 out of 5 [[175 ratings).

Maybe some of the other "varieties of that same post" are real too.

I am willing to question the declining efficacy of existing Covid vaccines and government management of the crises but I wouldn't question what this doctor wrote.

[Richard]

In a move that it says will better portray the severity of COVID-19, the Minnesota Department of Health [[MDH) is no longer making public the current number of COVID-19 patients in an ICU bed.

Total hospital capacity remains public, but how many COVID-19 patients are hospitalized is not.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...spitalizations

That was in 2020

The administration of Minnesota Democrat Gov. Tim Walz conspired to inflate the number of Covid-19 cases in the state in order to justify the leftist governor’s strict lockdown orders, according to emails leaked by a whistleblower.

https://www.worldtribune.com/report-...rict-lockdown/

They may be real or not but experience tells me to take what anybody says with a grain of salt.

Lakewood Health System offers various behavioral and mental health programs and services.

How many ICUs does a behavioral and mental health “hospital” have?

Not for nothing but considering how the state is being run,she should be careful as to what she posts on social media.

If she is a full spectrum doctor it would meen she is practicing in rural locations,as she is listed as practicing in two different locations,then she is a visiting doctor in a small,very small town clinic or loosely called hospital and it would stand to reason that she is un- able to find ICUs because they probably only have one or two to begin with.

Those little details are what makes the difference because in order to increase the drama effect it is not unheard of a small town hospital that only has 3 ICUs to claim they are overwhelmed.

I grew up in the suburbs outside of Mlps,but I spent my summers on the farm up there in those small towns,even as far up as Princeton,any kind of trauma you are air lifted to the cities.

I had a fishing camp with 100 cabins on a lake before it was bought out for the casinos,there was no hospitals around for a long ways,any resemblance of could not be referred to as a hospital in any practicable sense.

They may be referred to as hospitals,but us city folk call them clinics.

I just shows how easy it is to blur the lines and cause dissent.

Imagine that,hospitals that were made well aware of that they needed to keep a pandemic inventory in stock,years before,but choose not to because it cut into profits,are now flabbergasted because they cannot handle what their basic function in life is.

Maybe if some gave up some of their $600k a year salary in the interest of actually helping people it would have been different.

That whole thing about having to deal with horrible deaths,that is a part of a doctors job,it comes with the paycheck.

Large plane crashes overwhelm hospitals,weekend voilence in big cities overwhelm hospitals,if a hospital does not have a contingency plan for being overwhelmed,they need to find another line of work,or do what they do every other time they get overwhelmed,put their big girl or big guy panties on and deal with it,it’s the business they are in.

I do give her credit though,any doctor of all trades that can call on 2 clinics and run a 350 acer apple farm,most would be overwhelmed just calling on the clinics,unless of course they were not serving a very large population,let alone run the farm.

The point was not to discredit her,but things should be put in perspective outside of saying,we have a population explosion because we have 3 more kids in our one room schoolhouse and now have 9 kids and are overwhelmed.

[Gistok]

Richard... everyone knows that cancer and even heart attacks can be a torturous death. You keep repeating yourself on that one. It seems that anytime someone posts something here about Covid experiences, you have to deflect with Cancer, heart attacks, car accidents [and now large plane crashes]... etc.

We heard you the first few times you did that. You really seem to enjoy downplaying the effects of Covid. Maybe if you experienced it yourself, or one of the unpleasant side effects, you might feel differently.

"It just shows how easy it is to blur the lines and cause dissent." ...
understatement of the year!

Thanks for sharing your anecdote Oladub... I guess there's nothing that anyone can say to change his mind. He does try so hard to get others to be cynical, bless him...

[Honky Tonk]

About the new South African Covid variant...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...ccines-vpx.cnn

"Expert says..."

[Honky Tonk]

They've been saying for weeks their might be a second booster as well as one or two boosters per year hear on out, kind of like, oh, I don't know; a flu vaccine yearly?

"They've" been saying a lot of things. Every time they say something, we have a cure, you won't need masks, the numbers have dwindled, something else appears on the horizon and the process starts all over again. Yet the very "Experts" advising you, appear publicly, without any protection. I can't help but wonder what all those injections are doing to one's system?