Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

**Wheels** · September-11-21, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Stellar website there

Its not about the website the video tells a lot and you won’t see it repeated on lamestream media.

**Zacha341** · September-11-21, 05:49 PM

Hah, from reasoned concern [not from being talked down to] - myself and others I interact with [daily in my home] check the 'box' of masked and vaxxed. And I've found myself scarce from super dense crowds, masked or not. But yet bold-faced APPROVED inconsistencies, askew priorities and hypocrisies abound.

Eventually, beyond politics [and obvious loopholes] maybe we'll [the US] get around to re-closing our borders in tandem with the other cited and heartily affirmed measures to push the COVID-19 virus into the direction of endemic. If not a fully eradicated global pandemic.

Greater good indeed!

Originally Posted by Richard

...The greater good would not have allowed the football game with 65,000 maskless packed into a stadium like it was here and the upcoming wrestle mania which is expected to draw the same crowds.

Nobody said boo about that, but walk into a business with 2 people and mask is required.

**Zacha341** · September-11-21, 06:05 PM

The link did have some compelling points a bit away from the standard us vs them [if you dare question this, or that, or the great all-knowing who] narrative.

Originally Posted by Wheels

Its not about the website the video tells a lot and you won’t see it repeated on lamestream media.

**jcole** · September-11-21, 06:29 PM

The video sure sounds a lot different when it's not cut off at 33 seconds.
Because I don't want to post a 6 minute video, here is the rest of what Fauci said regarding that particular question. He certainly didn't just blow it off as Diversity News would have you believe

“I don’t have a really firm answer for you on that,” Fauci said. “That’s something that we’re going to have to discuss regarding the durability of the response. The one thing the paper from Israel didn’t tell you is whether or not as high as the protection is with natural infection, what’s the durability compared to the durability of a vaccine? So it is conceivable that you got infected. You’re protected. But you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time. So I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously, because you very appropriately pointed out it is an issue. And there could be an argument for saying what you said.”

Also, here is an article from NPR that gives some actual info about the Isreali issue:https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ases-heres-why
So actually I DID find correct info on mainstream media.

**Gistok** · September-14-21, 01:09 AM

Some things require no commentary...

QAnon guru dies from COVID-19 as her followers harass hospital staff [[msn.com)

**Zacha341** · September-14-21, 05:34 AM

Mainstream media COVID update and pending vaccination persuasion sampling:

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-says-...low-us-1627954

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/healt...day/index.html

From article [bold added for emphasis]:

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said if more people aren't persuaded to get vaccinated by messaging from health officials and "trusted political messengers," additional mandates from schools and businesses may be necessary.

"I believe that's going to turn this around because I don't think people are going to want to not go to work or not go to college ... They're going to do it," Fauci told CNN's Jen Christensen during an interview at the NLGJA, the Association of LGBTQ Journalists, convention Sunday.
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**Richard** · September-14-21, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Mainstream media COVID update and pending vaccination persuasion sampling:

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-says-...low-us-1627954

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/healt...day/index.html

From article [bold added for emphasis]:

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said if more people aren't persuaded to get vaccinated by messaging from health officials and "trusted political messengers," additional mandates from schools and businesses may be necessary.

"I believe that's going to turn this around because I don't think people are going to want to not go to work or not go to college ... They're going to do it," Fauci told CNN's Jen Christensen during an interview at the NLGJA, the Association of LGBTQ Journalists, convention Sunday.
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What is interesting when you look at this on a world scale,the country's that had the most severe and lengthy lockdowns,have the highest vaccination rates.

So was that getting the shot out of a fear of death from the virus,or getting the shot in order to regain liberty.

None of those countries are implementing mandates like they are trying to do and doing in this country.

Their health systems are just as overwhelmed as ours but yet,everything is open,mask mandates on public transportation,children are in school and it is up to the parents to decide whether their child receives the shot or not.

Even the socialist dictatorship countries are not mandating people must have a shot in order to earn a living,and every other country has said there is no need for the booster shot at this time.

Everywhere else in the world the science says,no need for a booster shot at this time if you have already received a shot.

I guess we have a special kind of science in this country,or is it just political science.

People are already starting to feel the impact of removing 30% of the labor force for not receiving the shot,it really does not impact business because they can raise the rates to compensate,who it drives further into poverty is the low income and the lower wage workers,while making them more dependent on the government.

You have to wonder when the rest of the world and the science says the booster shot is not necessary at this time,while those in top positions of our National health are quitting their jobs because the politics say follow the science,while not doing so,what is in the vaccine that our top leaders do not trust about it ,where they are so adamant about not following the science while forcing the recommendation of a booster shot.

I think the difference in this country with vaccination rates verses other parts of the world is

They followed a singular line of public information,whereas in this country our ummm,experts at the top have flip flopped like a fish on a hot street so many times,they created more hesitation.

And now by drawing a line in the sand all they have accomplished is making others dig their heels in deeper and created a bigger divide in this country.

I guess the good part is nobody is a racist anymore and the only cause of death is Covid 24/7.

Florida has come over the top of the curve and the case numbers are steadily dropping,while in another state there is a video of a hospital administrator recommending scare tactics by keeping the numbers high with Covid cases by continuing to count those who have recovered as positive cases.

Between cooking the science and cooking the books,I do not think anybody really knows where we stand.

**Gistok** · September-14-21, 08:49 AM

"Vaccine mandates like the ones in schools and the military have been a hallmark of public health efforts to mitigate dangerous diseases for decades and have faced little opposition."

The chasm between the Democrats and the Trump wing of the Republican party is already so wide, that this will not change it much.

**Richard** · September-14-21, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

"Vaccine mandates like the ones in schools and the military have been a hallmark of public health efforts to mitigate dangerous diseases for decades and have faced little opposition."

The chasm between the Democrats and the Trump wing of the Republican party is already so wide, that this will not change it much.

Of course you can provide the links that back up the claim that it is only Trump supporters that remain unvaccinated.

Otherwise it could be misconstrued that you are spreading a false narrative,something one would not expect from a highly educated mind.

And not a link that says because they told you to say that.

**Gistok** · September-14-21, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

Of course you can provide the links that back up the claim that it is only Trump supporters that remain unvaccinated.

Otherwise it could be misconstrued that you are spreading a false narrative,something one would not expect from a highly educated mind.

And not a link that says because they told you to say that.

Um... Richard... I didn't say what you just referred to, so please stop your incessant Trolling/Spinning.

Non-vaxxers includes a large portion of African-Americans... anyone with half a brain knows how to find one of many referrence sources for that.

Since you are the Googlemeister, I didn't think you would need spoon feeding the links.

And since you are poking fun at my education level here's a few tips for you help you with your long paragraphs.... 1) in good Grammar there is a space after every comma... 2) learn the difference between ACCEPT and EXCEPT... you confuse them, 3) ditto for SENSE and SINCE. It's cringeworthy to watch you make the same mistakes.

**Richard** · September-14-21, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Um... Richard... I didn't say what you just referred to, so please stop your incessant Trolling/Spinning.

Non-vaxxers includes a large portion of African-Americans... anyone with half a brain knows how to find one of many referrence sources for that.

Since you are the Googlemeister, I didn't think you would need spoon feeding the links.

And since you are poking fun at my education level here's a few tips for you help you with your long paragraphs.... 1) in good Grammar there is a space after every comma... 2) learn the difference between ACCEPT and EXCEPT... you confuse them, 3) ditto for SENSE and SINCE. It's cringeworthy to watch you make the same mistakes.

You did not say it but you posted it and spread it.

As for the rest ?

Picture in your mind me rubbing my finger with my thumb,while you are doing that imagine the song playing in stereo.

My heart bleeds for you ….

First world problems.

I am watching CNN right now and they are reporting that Illinois is the only state that tracks Covid shots or not,by race.

So how can people say that African Americans are or are not vaccinated or to what extent outside of Illinois?

But then 2 seconds later the ticker tape thingy on the bottom was reporting in California that 48% of the cases were Hispanic who had a 8% vaccination rate.

So how does one report something while at the same time debunking what they are saying.

Do not need Google just watch some news broadcasts,plenty of amusement right there.

**Rocket** · September-14-21, 01:10 PM

U of M survey recently [[8/20/21) concluded that only about 34% of Detroiters are vaccinated. And Detroit being 80% black,

https://news.umich.edu/low-vaccinati...with-children/

I suppose we can make some inferences.

Between the Tuskegee experiments, being targeted for extermination by Planned Parenthood, having their financial progress stopped and their family units ripped apart by Pres. Johnson's Great Society, etc, etc, it's no surprise.

Did these hard learned lessons make them wiser than other groups?

Or cynical?

**Zacha341** · September-14-21, 02:40 PM

^ Yep. They don't exactly fit the Trump/ Rightwing-Now I KNOW WHO you ARE and WHAT you THINK 2-D narrative either.

That's a positive [towards a real solution] in a way, because the argument pro and con has been rigidly bound to an us vs. them simplistic formulation. A formulation which has failed to present an effective C-19 response in a uniform manner that still preserves individual rights to dissent in certain areas, this side of an actual plague.

Instead everyone doubles down within their placement of righteous judgement and virtuous resistance. Fixed. And for some that positioning is optimum for other broader political agendas.

How often do I read comment sections [from varied news articles online] where most questioning about COVID or vaccination is met with the accusation that you're a fill in the blank '_____________ conservative' or worse.

Well, not so fast when it comes to many black people presenting reservations.

I've know some refusing to vax on the count of the flip-flop alone [and the fact that masking is still yet demanded]. Add to that the blatant hypocrisies of those dictating, yet not adhering to their own dictates. It's not a new story. Not really.

I waiting for a bit after the vaccines became available. I talked to my doctor before getting mine [otherwise keeping my medical business to myself]. I guess the some are still not willing. And yet others are being vaccinated daily.

And still others - some of whom had COVID - are preferring [from studies] their now acquired antibodies, over injections. Their reasoning[s] by no means a simple read - or positions always taken based on 'feelings'.

But let me stop now as such conversation[s] in those directions on social media are often verboten...

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Originally Posted by Rocket

U of M survey recently [8/20/21] concluded that only about 34% of Detroiter's are vaccinated. And Detroit being 80% black.

....Between the Tuskegee experiments, being targeted for extermination by Planned Parenthood, having their financial progress stopped and their family units ripped apart by Pres. Johnson's Great Society, etc, etc, it's no surprise.

**Gistok** · September-14-21, 06:03 PM

^Zacha341... I wish that all Detroiters [and beyond] would have been there driving around Belle Isle on the 4 days last year when they had the poster sized pictures of the first 1500 Detroiters that died of Covid... to be viewed from a slow procession of cars driving around the island. Everything from a young 3 year old girl, to 3 aunts, and to great grandparents in their 90s... so many... and so very sad.

The Delta variant doesn't care if you are young or old, rich or poor, black or white... if it gets a chance... it will come for you...

**jcole** · September-14-21, 06:31 PM

This made me laugh and be pensive at the same time:

**Gistok** · September-14-21, 06:39 PM

I can relate jcole....

**jcole** · September-14-21, 06:44 PM

^^^

**Zacha341** · September-14-21, 07:42 PM

Yes, I concur. I was there - and I also live earshot of a major hospital, hearing ambulances all hours-24/7 [an increase activity noted by most of us in the area] at the height of the pandemic here in SE MI. This thread and others related has me on record repeatedly, nearly day and night at points, debating and bringing forth very strong challenge and rebuttal to those claiming that C-19 was but a common cold conspiracy.

I knew/ know far too many people impacted/ died. I have/ had friends in nursing homes etc. I knew better. I did volunteer work in an assisted living facility - saw to a friend receiving dialysis two times a week at the peak of COVID. Yet, I don't think my experience was unique in the C-19 ground zero context -- living here in Detroit, Wayne county.

You functioned as you had to: beyond the pain. However, neither fear, intimidation or name-calling motivated my choice to become vaccinated. Especially not fear! There's too much that can be added to that space once and if you submit fully [from within and by others].

I've been there. I care not to live within that realm again.

And yes, there may have been people who went to the Belle Isle memorial who still question vaccination, etc. There are many seeming realities that people make choice[s] about where it seems there should be but one option.

Originally Posted by Gistok

...The Delta variant doesn't care if you are young or old, rich or poor, black or white... if it gets a chance... it will come for you...

**Richard** · September-15-21, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rocket

U of M survey recently [[8/20/21) concluded that only about 34% of Detroiters are vaccinated. And Detroit being 80% black,

https://news.umich.edu/low-vaccinati...with-children/

I suppose we can make some inferences.

Between the Tuskegee experiments, being targeted for extermination by Planned Parenthood, having their financial progress stopped and their family units ripped apart by Pres. Johnson's Great Society, etc, etc, it's no surprise.

Did these hard learned lessons make them wiser than other groups?

Or cynical?

After WW2 the US put the head of the Nazi party intelligence division,in charge of intelligence in West Berlin against the Russians..

Every report provided by him to the CIA,was never checked or verified,the CIA just added their letter head and handed it directly to Truman.

We went through 50 years of a Cold War that never existed outside of the trillions that were spent.

They also took the head Nazi that in charge of their special programs,and put him in charge of the Cape Canaveral space program,he had zero experience in rockets,his research was with hyper drive systems,completely opposite of rocket propulsion.

There is always somebody somewhere that is working on an ulterior motive outside of what we are being told.Not to mention the amount of monies involved in the process.

Why would the president and top health adviser to 350 million,who has always claimed that everybody should follow the science,completely throw the science out of the window in order to obtain a means to an end,over a booster shot that the rest of the world,along with the science,have all declared that it is either unnecessary at this time or there is not enough evidence in the science to support it as of yet?

What is the motive?

To this day a majority of medicines and vaccines are first tested in Africa,they are not doing anything different now then they did back then,just spending more in fuel for the trip.

They first infect them with the disease then use the vaccination to heal them,sometimes.

Then they act confused as to why people do not trust them.

Trust us,we are the government and are here to help,was and is a real thing.

Sometimes they forget who they actually work for and serve.

**Baselinepunk** · September-15-21, 01:14 PM

I absolute get why the African-American community is untrustworthy of the government and vaccines.

However, all I see are white people throwing temper tantrums over the vaccine. These morons don't understand that they've been vacc'ed. The anti vacc crap is purely, 100% politically motivated on this board and in the streets.

Pretty dumb [and a huge logical fallacy] to compare COVID deaths with obesity. Seriously? Get real!!

When was the last time you caught obesity? Or high blood pressure? Or high cholesterol? Far too many people on this board get too giddy pushing false claims about the vaccine. Frankly I wish there was a way to charge these folks with accessory to murder. I'm through being sympathetic and understanding to the anti vacc crowd. It's because of them I have to wear a f--ing mask again when this whole COVID thing should be in rear view mirror by now.

Quite being so entitled. Start thinking about more about other people than your own stupid selfishness. The "me generation" could really step up for once and help lead by positive examples -- but I know that's asking way too much because they are way too busy destroying Social Security, the social contract and everything else put into place by the depression era generation for my and future generations.

**Gistok** · September-15-21, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

After WW2 the US put the head of the Nazi party intelligence division,in charge of intelligence in West Berlin against the Russians..

Every report provided by him to the CIA,was never checked or verified,the CIA just added their letter head and handed it directly to Truman.

We went through 50 years of a Cold War that never existed outside of the trillions that were spent.

They also took the head Nazi that in charge of their special programs,and put him in charge of the Cape Canaveral space program,he had zero experience in rockets,his research was with hyper drive systems,completely opposite of rocket propulsion.

I and I am sure others have no clue what your "weak analogy" [logic fallacy] have to do with Covid... ??

Apparently your version of history doesn't match other people's??

If you are talking about "Nazi" Werner von Braun"... the father of the Saturn V rocket that took us to the moon before the Russians... not sure why that mention is here... he was one of 120 German scientists that the Americans whisked out of post WWII Germany. His NASA biography...

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshal...braun/bio.html

The cold war may not have existed in your brain... but it was real. For anyone with half a brain who ever visited the actual Iron Curtain... they would confirm that.

Maybe you should Wiki "FULDA GAP"... to learn more about post WWII history, since it seems to be fuzzy for you. History was my minor towards my undergrad [with an emphasis in European history], and I don't need Google to discuss it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_Gap

**Richard** · September-15-21, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

I and I am sure others have no clue what your "weak analogy" [logic fallacy] have to do with Covid... ??

Apparently your version of history doesn't match other people's??

If you are talking about "Nazi" Werner von Braun"... the father of the Saturn V rocket that took us to the moon before the Russians... not sure why that mention is here... he was one of 120 German scientists that the Americans whisked out of post WWII Germany. His NASA biography...

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshal...braun/bio.html

The cold war may not have existed in your brain... but it was real. For anyone with half a brain who ever visited the actual Iron Curtain... they would confirm that.

Maybe you should Wiki "FULDA GAP"... to learn more about post WWII history, since it seems to be fuzzy for you. History was my minor towards my undergrad [with an emphasis in European history], and I don't need Google to discuss it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_Gap

You were taught history as an undergraduate? Like everybody but you knows the history presented in the education system does not always mimic what actually happened.

Did your history also teach you that the device created the Chicago university,was created from patents stolen out of fascist Italy?

But as usual you are using what you were told as a basis of discussion,while missing the point completely.

I will make it simple.

Why is the current administration and Faluchi saying and pushing a mandated booster shot,that the rest of the world including the science says is not necessary nor supports.

You did not want to answer the question so you used the old tactic of I am educated so I know it all because the book said so.

Its a simple question,sense everybody else only has half a brain,your highly educated full brain should have no problem answering it.

But yet you skirt it.

Forgetting we recently took down a foreign government based on the false claim of WMDs,where those at the top used to media to convince the public that it was fact that justified military action?

I cannot believe you actually used Wikipedia as a fact based source in order to bolster your history lesson.

**Baselinepunk** · September-15-21, 02:40 PM

"... that the rest of the world including the science says is not necessary nor supports"

That's BS. Look at Israel.

Primary sources beat your made up drivel any day. Clearly you missed more than a few classes in HS.

**Gistok** · September-15-21, 02:55 PM

Remember when getting a Vaccine didn't become a political hot potato, and we were united for the greater good?

Well that all got shot to hell back in 2020...

**Richard** · September-15-21, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Remember when getting a Vaccine didn't become a political hot potato, and we were united for the greater good?

Well that all got shot to hell back in 2020...

Lol,another phalacy,name one time we have ever been all United for the greater good?

The framers of the constitution were considered traitors at the time by many in the country.

Part of being pragmatic is recognising facts and changes in circumstance. Generally, these facts indicate we should change the way we do things.