Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

[Honky Tonk]

They keep adding in new groups that don't need vaccination [like children) to lower that number. We were well past 75% last year.


New data is showing that the vaccinated face a new plague. Their death numbers from all causes are WAY up. People in the prime of their life and totally healthy are dying at a 140% rate of normal.

That may be the long term fallout of this, death by experimental gene therapy. Insurance companies are starting to freak out. In a few years, being vax'd may be a new thing that prevents people from being able to obtain life insurance.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but could you post a few links?

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This page has an explainer on how to think of deaths
of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated individuals. It is followed
by observed rates in Switzerland, the United States,
and other countries.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

"True statement" in their explainer example: "half
of those who died were unvaccinated" . This is, as
shown in the example, a true statement. Five of
the unvaccinated died. Five of the vaccinated died.

However there were many more vaccinated
individuals in this hypothetical population.
Therefore their RATE of death is lower.
Had the unvaccinated been vaccinated,
their overall death rate would be lower;
four of the five unvaccinated individuals
would have lived, and one would still
have died. [Which is why we triple
vaxxed persons are still wearing our
masks so long as there's a chance
of catching the virus.]

Here are more explainers. The "crude
mortality rate" for Spanish Flu was 2.7%
or 2.7% of the world's population at
that time died from it.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

[Dumpling]

The CDC [Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention] puts out a
publication titled the Morbidity and Mortality
Weekly Report [MMWR].

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

This article states that those who were
vaccinated appeared to have lower
mortalities from all causes than those
who were unvaccinated.

[Jimaz]

No more boosters? How an Army pan-coronavirus vaccine could wipe out COVID pandemics

The Army aims for a vaccine that protects against any COVID variant or coronavirus....

The Army recently announced that its pan-coronavirus vaccine, the spike ferritin nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine {aka SpFN} had completed Phase 1 of human trials. Publication of the results is expected in January, depending on the completion of the official data analysis....

The Army's SpFN vaccine is shaped like a soccer ball with 24 faces. [Actual soccer balls have 32 faces.] Scientists can attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains to each of the different faces, allowing them to customize the vaccine for any new COVID variants that arise....

When will the Army's COVID vaccine be available?

No date has been set. SpFN successfully completed animal testing and wrapped Phase 1 of human trials in December, but it must still complete Phases 2 and 3 of human testing, when its safety and efficacy is compared to current vaccine options.

Normally, completing all three phases can take up to five years, but the urgency of the COVID-19 pandemic is speeding up the process. The Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson vaccines, for example, were tested, reviewed and authorized by the Food and Drug Administration over the course of one year....

[Rocket]

A new study by John Hopkins shows that covid lock-downs had little to no effect on reducing deaths by covid. Perhaps two tenths of one percent at best.

They looked at 18,500 studies.

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/fi...-Mortality.pdf


Curious if you added in the tens of thousands of deaths by suicide, drug use, etc caused by the lock-downs themselves, if the lock downs didn't actually caused a big INCREASE in deaths?

That's been believed to be the case for a year or more now.
https://nypost.com/2021/03/22/the-data-shows-lockdowns-end-more-lives-than-they-save/

https://www.aier.org/article/death-by-lockdown/


Give up our freedom in exchange for totalitarianism, and we don't even get anything in return?

We managed to neuter our governor, so we are safer than most states with leftist governors.

[Jimaz]

Elderly Librarian Makes Anti-Masker Cower In Fear

An elderly librarian stood her ground when she was confronted by clout-chasing anti-masker Joey Fuscone over her denying Fuscone access to the library, which by law, requires patrons to be masked....

[Zacha341]

Goodness what a mess we have here [let the damage-control begin]!:

CDC chief gives NO sign of lifting virus rules despite cases dropping 35% -- other countries abolishing mandates and bombshell study revealing that lockdowns only reduced deaths by 0.2%

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...rmal-life.html

Johns Hopkins professor blasts his OWN college and the mainstream media for not publicizing study -- because it doesn't fit their 'narrative'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lockdowns.html

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/covid-...ty-rate-study/

[jcole]

Yeah, I'm not really going to take Covid advice from a pancreatic cancer surgeon who spouts his own views as a "contributer" to Fox news. Also don't trust the NY Post or The Daily Mail; both well known scandal rags

[Dumpling]

Currently, Dr. Walensky is recommending
COVID-19 countermeasures because cases
and hospitalizations have been very high
through the month of January 2022.

It is fine to gather information about
the effects of lockdowns and mandates
from the Daily Mail and Fox News and
pass that along.

It is suggested to also contact that local
hospital to which you would be admitted
in case of emergency to get their take
on which measures they would recommend
for you.

If not them, look out for an EMS crew
that isn't on an active run, and ask
them which measures are advisable.
The hospital to which they would take
you to might have a few near their
emergency entrance. If you have a
fire station near your home you can
try there. Researchers find that
it is very helpful to trust the people
giving the advice.

The Johns Hopkins Covid Home section
on closings and openings seems to indicate
that most if not all closings took place for
the first wave of COVID-19 in March
through May of 2020. Here in Michigan
there was a pitched battle throughout
2020 against Governor Whitmer and
the state health department's mandates.
This political combat did result in fewer
closings in time for four waves that were
all larger than the initial one that started
in March 2020.

In interpreting data on the effectiveness
of a lockdown, one must be mindful
to whether a lockdown was initiated
early enough to block most transmission.
Usually that was not the case. Lockdowns
were put in place once hospital systems
and funeral home overloads were
happening.

Those cases and deaths during waves in
which there were fewer countermeasures
with no lockdowns in place should of
course not be included for purposes of
assessing the effectiveness of lockdowns.

[Honky Tonk]

Currently, Dr. Walensky is recommending
COVID-19 countermeasures because cases
and hospitalizations have been very high
through the month of January 2022.

It is fine to gather information about
the effects of lockdowns and mandates
from the Daily Mail and Fox News and
pass that along.

It is suggested to also contact that local
hospital to which you would be admitted
in case of emergency to get their take
on which measures they would recommend
for you.

If not them, look out for an EMS crew
that isn't on an active run, and ask
them which measures are advisable.
The hospital to which they would take
you to might have a few near their
emergency entrance. If you have a
fire station near your home you can
try there. Researchers find that
it is very helpful to trust the people
giving the advice.

The Johns Hopkins Covid Home section
on closings and openings seems to indicate
that most if not all closings took place for
the first wave of COVID-19 in March
through May of 2020. Here in Michigan
there was a pitched battle throughout
2020 against Governor Whitmer and
the state health department's mandates.
This political combat did result in fewer
closings in time for four waves that were
all larger than the initial one that started
in March 2020.

In interpreting data on the effectiveness
of a lockdown, one must be mindful
to whether a lockdown was initiated
early enough to block most transmission.
Usually that was not the case. Lockdowns
were put in place once hospital systems
and funeral home overloads were
happening.

Those cases and deaths during waves in
which there were fewer countermeasures
with no lockdowns in place should of
course not be included for purposes of
assessing the effectiveness of lockdowns.

Walensky... Walensky... wasn't she the one that brought to light the fact that 75% of the "Covid deaths" were not actually from Covid but from other health problems and the deceased also happened to have Covid too?

[Dumpling]

This is a CNN "facts first" article describing
an 11 second clip of Walensky that right
wing commentators ran with:

Fact check: Right-wing figures falsely describe CDC director's comments about Covid-19 deaths - CNNPolitics

I will go check out the clip. I've gotten
my Walensky info from NPR and such.

Update: that CNN article showed Clay
Travis sharing this ten second clip
from Good Morning America in a
tweet that's been muzzled by Twitter.
It's not removed entirely, but it can't have
comments or shares. It is not wrong.
It is simply presented without context.

This context is, Dr. Walensky was
discussing that small fraction of
individuals who had severe COVID-19
even after receiving a full series of
vaccinations. THOSE are the
individuals who have all the
comorbidities.

It is not good logic at all to infer from
this small sample of fully vaccinated
individuals that died, that MOST of
ALL OF THOSE dying from, or with COVID-19,
had four or more comorbidities, raising
valid concerns about whether the true
cause of their deaths is in fact COVID-19.

[Honky Tonk]

This is a CNN "facts first" article describing
an 11 second clip of Walensky that right
wing commentators ran with:

Fact check: Right-wing figures falsely describe CDC director's comments about Covid-19 deaths - CNNPolitics

I will go check out the clip. I've gotten
my Walensky info from NPR and such.

Update: that CNN article showed Clay
Travis sharing this ten second clip
from Good Morning America in a
tweet that's been muzzled by Twitter.
It's not removed entirely, but it can't have
comments or shares. It is not wrong.
It is simply presented without context.

Don't bother. I tried to find it and instead found multiple libtard news feeds that her original comments were "edited ". Funny how that works.

[Zacha341]

I hear that! I subscribe to the holy-writ New York Times and don't obediently trust them either! What's interesting about the D-Mail rag is sometimes they give another perspective, not reflexively pushing US anointed narratives.

And where they serve as an aggregate, pulling news from varied sources, I like to review the global responses beyond our 'bubble'; as crucial things DO slip thru that would not always be allowed in our press. Setting aside the usual Kardashian[s] etc, who's-sexing-who crappola on the right column. LOL.....

As I said let the 'damage-control' begin. The debates and defending too!

After all, it was 'debated' only months ago that the possibility of actual vax 'mandates' were anti-vaxing hoaxes/ kooks yack liars holding-up in the right wing-media, initially. Increasingly, what starts in the questionable media and independent news options emerges in mainstream media. And where/ when it does tough questions will require very real answers.

As I have time I'll be keep my eyes open - not surprised as this happens.

Yeah, I'm not really going to take Covid advice from a pancreatic cancer surgeon who spouts his own views as a "contributer" to Fox news. Also don't trust the NY Post or The Daily Mail; both well known scandal rags

[Richard]

Don't bother. I tried to find it and instead found multiple libtard news feeds that her original comments were "edited ". Funny how that works.

Now that we are at war the propaganda machine is going to have to pull double duty,polls are showing 70% of the population is tired of the Covid drama and would rather move on,now the news cycle will switch.

[Jimaz]

Cannabis compounds prevent coronavirus from entering human cells:
Oregon State University study

According to a study from researchers at OSU, cannabis compounds show the ability to prevent the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 from entering human cells.

I gather that this was observed in the lab rather than in human trials.

I suppose the problem here is that some might think they could use cannabis instead of a vaccine. Still, it would be interesting if using both gave more protection than the vaccine alone.

[Zacha341]

Thoughtful points D. I'm due to speak w/ someone working in a medical area of a nearby hospital. That along with speaking to one's doctor; unless they are just the fall-in-line, we're all same type. My personal doctor is of the same mind set that I am mostly: vaccinate and work on your natural immunity, exercise, diet etc. Which is of course tied to good health, longevity and vigor anyway.

The shannigans re. Michigan numbers indeed remains a mess.

Whitmere barely dodge the bullet re. the COVID death escalations in the nursing homes [as COVID patients were put in them]. I had a friend working in one of the larger facilities and friends living in them etc. We all made calls with detailed reports to the state regulatory agencies about what was going on. No response.

Cuomo fell [or tripped upon] on his sword so I guess the similar Michigan nursing home COVID disaster will be forgotten.

...It is suggested to also contact that local hospital to which you would be admitted in case of emergency to get their take on which measures they would recommend for you.

If not them, look out for an EMS crew that isn't on an active run, and ask them which measures are advisable. The hospital to which they would take you to might have a few near their emergency entrance. If you have a fire station near your home you can try there. Researchers find that it is very helpful to trust the people giving the advice.

The Johns Hopkins Covid Home section on closings and openings seems to indicate that most if not all closings took place for the first wave of COVID-19 in March through May of 2020. Here in Michigan there was a pitched battle throughout 2020 against Governor Whitmer and the state health department's mandates.

This political combat did result in fewer closings in time for four waves that were all larger than the initial one that started in March 2020...

[Zacha341]

Indeed. This and so much more is why as the wrangling persists [which shows little evidence of abating], I will continue to look both ways along and before crossing the road of politics!

Don't bother. I tried to find it and instead found multiple libtard news feeds that her original comments were "edited ". Funny how that works.

[Zacha341]

COVID Latest Case Counts [2/6]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

[Zacha341]

How Denmark Decided COVID Isn’t a Critical Threat to Society

....first in the EU to lift all COVID restrictions despite leading the world in per capita infections.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ctions/621482/

[Brock7]

The UK Health Security Agency Vaccine Surveillance Report [[Jan 27, 2022)
New week 15+ data on boosters vs symptomatic Omicron:

https://qr.ae/pGjTnr

Now Im glad I got the 2 doses of Pfizer before the Moderna booster.

[Jimaz]

The daily, 7-day average of new reported cases in Michigan has fallen to 6,812 as of Feb 7, 2022. This is down from the recent all time record high of 20,271 on Jan 19, 2022. That's the first day it's been below the previous all time record high of 8,276 on Dec 3, 2020.

Time for those anti-vaxxers to get back to work pumping those numbers back up.

[Rocket]

Time for those anti-vaxxers to get back to work pumping those numbers back up.

Apparently, nearly if not all of the super-spreaders during the Delta phase were from the vax'd community, as they were less likely to know they were infected and contagious. And perhaps also because they believed the blatant lies from the experts and politicians that they couldn't be infected or spread the virus once vax'd.

Now with Omicron, you're the most contagious the couple days BEFORE you show symptoms [vax'd or not]. So now what do you do?

It's probably time to just move on.

[Zacha341]

^ Umm, yep. Now if only our administration can pivot towards moving on.

That's yet to be seen! The Trojan Horse aspects of COVID packed-with-politics well beyond the urgencies of the virus will have to put out to pasture.

[Dumpling]

Apparently, nearly if not all of the super-spreaders during the Delta phase were from the vax'd community, as they were less likely to know they were infected and contagious. And perhaps also because they believed the blatant lies from the experts and politicians that they couldn't be infected or spread the virus once vax'd.

Now with Omicron, you're the most contagious the couple days BEFORE you show symptoms [vax'd or not]. So now what do you do?

It's probably time to just move on.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

Earlier, in December 2021, Dr. Fauci estimated that
about 50% of everyone in the United States was
going to contract COVID-19 in the coming eight
WEEKS because the Omicron variant was spreading
so fast. You could be exposed on a Monday morning
and then be infectious by Tuesday evening [though
sometimes the incubation period was as long as
four days].

In the tracking section of the Johns Hopkins
University COVID-19 page there is a section for
data for each of the states and territories in the
United States. For each state there is a test
positivity number for the last month. It ranges
from about 14% for California to about 87% for
Colorado. In both of these states a majority of the
population are vaccinated. The test positivity
over the last month has some correlation with
the percent of people in each state that caught
COVID-19 in the last month. In Colorado it
seems clear that a majority of those who were
vaccinated did contract COVID-19. And, Dr.
Fauci's guess was not too far off. There are more
monthly state test positivities that are above 25%
than below it.

So we can move on! The Michigan Flu Focus letter
that comes out weekly has Michigan with minimal
levels of hospitalizations due to flu this week but
that could certainly be artificially low due to there
being high numbers of COVID-19 patients in
hospitals at this time. Only about 1 in 3 Michigan
residents has received a flu shot in the last year.
[It is on my to do list but less urgent since
there's fewer cases].

[Gistok]

Apparently, nearly if not all of the super-spreaders during the Delta phase were from the vax'd community, as they were less likely to know they were infected and contagious. And perhaps also because they believed the blatant lies from the experts and politicians that they couldn't be infected or spread the virus once vax'd.

No clue where you get these untruths... but if you were vaccinated the scientists said that you were less likely to get the virus, and if you did, you were less likely to be hospitalized from it... and therefore less likely to die from it.

Anyone who WAS vaccinated and got Covid, could still spread it. I never read anywhere that that wasn't the case.