Corona Virus Crisis Discussion Thread

[EastsideAl]

This chart from the CDC shows why the speed and intensity at which the outbreak plays out matters so much for it's consequences. What's clear here is that without pro-active protective measures, such as reducing crowds and other significant human contact points, a viral outbreak like Covid-19 for which there is no human immunity or vaccine can quickly overwhelm the health care system.

[hybridy]

My family is reporting rationing of water, no TP, no meat, no bread and very limited produce at the Roseville Costco this evening.

I went out Feb 25 to stock up, and posted to this thread over on non-Detroit issues. The response varied, but most were on the opinion of the Ray1936 post above. Personally, you do you, but the folks that end up in ICU don't feel the same, and there will be shortages of beds. Persons over 60 may not get first dibs at those bed. I truly feel bad for families whose loved ones will die alone in Nursing Homes because of quarantines. We'll be studying this long after, and is an excellent stress test on our healthcare resources.

PS - Wal-Mart paying for 2 weeks sick leave and insurers are eliminating co-pays for CoVID-19 testing. "Socialism is great", as long as it's my idea and not some communist. How bout them Primary results eh?!

[Gistok]

Many people feel that the Dodge brothers both died of the Spanish Flu in 1920... but that is not totally accurate...

Death of the Dodge Brothers

Dodge continued to expand in the following years, adding new vehicles and spread out in markets such as Canada. The Dodge brothers made millions from the sale of Ford stock and dividends, as well as from sales of their own vehicles.
The brothers died unexpectedly in 1920. Horace Dodge fell ill with pneumonia during the 1920 New York Auto Show in January. John Dodge sat by his bedside and caught pneumonia, as well. He died only 10 days later. He was 55.
Horace Dodge continued to fight his illness for many more months. He died in December of 1920 from cirrhosis of the liver. He was 52.
At the time of their death, Dodge was the second-best-selling automobile in the country. The company was sold to Chrysler in 1928.

[mtburb]

The NBA has suspended it's season indefinitely. This will have a major negative impact on LCA and on the city.

[Maof]

The NBA has suspended it's season indefinitely. This will have a major negative impact on LCA and on the city.

"It's a hoax"

[Danny]

"It's a hoax"

Not a hoax. It real. Human survival comes first before pleasure.

[Maof]

Not a hoax. It real. Human survival comes first before pleasure.

I was quoting DT from a few days ago.

[bust]

^^ We learned a thing or two about Langowan, Indonesia, at least.

I don't regularly the AP site either, BTW.
But before sharing anything potentially scandalous, shocking, or that pushes people's buttons I do try to verify it's true. And don't if I can't.

I arrived at the AP article from a google search for the terms "Langowan market Wuhan" because when I put the title of the video [[shown at the very beginning) into google translate it detected Javanese, and returned "Extream Langowan Market." I was suspicious because it didn't look anything like a major city in China to me.

[Gistok]

^^ We learned a thing or two about Langowan, Indonesia, at least.

Now I'm curious what real Chinese markets look like?

[Lowell]

Now I'm curious what real Chinese markets look like?

Don’t know about China but The Dow futures just crashed another thousand plus points after tonight’s speech and European travel ban...

[DetroitSoldier]

The NCAA's Ice Hockey Championship, well known as the "Frozen Four" is scheduled to take place at LCA on April 9 &11. It has now been closed to the public, and may end up being cancelled.

This will cost Detroit hotels several thousand nights of room revenue and millions to local bars, restaurants, and local merchants.

Sporting events, concerts, etc...everything is likely to be cancelled. The economic impact will be astonishing.

[Lowell]

NBA suspends season after Utah Jazz player tests positive for Covid19.

[Danny]

So if anyone went to the Piston's-Jazz game at the LCA should be monitored for coronavirus.

[Scottathew]

I work for a large company downtown that has started to tell people to work from home. I was to told stay home today and Friday. My kids go to Rochester Community Schools which has closed Thursday and Friday so they can do teacher training for virtual learning.

Things seem to be escalating quickly. Hopefully it all blows over. I've told my elderly parents that I'm cutting off physical contact with them for now and suggested my siblings do the same.

Good luck everyone.

[Maof]

I work for a large company downtown that has started to tell people to work from home. I was to told stay home today and Friday. My kids go to Rochester Community Schools which has closed Thursday and Friday so they can do teacher training for virtual learning.

Things seem to be escalating quickly. Hopefully it all blows over. I've told my elderly parents that I'm cutting off physical contact with them for now and suggested my siblings do the same.

Good luck everyone.

My son's employer also told them to work from home. "Accessing the situation." Hoping they do the same for my daughter as she occasionally travels for work.

[Lowell]

This too will pass. This will be solved. But not without a lot of disruption in our lives and damage to the economy.

By summer the trajectory of the epidemic will be clearer as will progress toward potential vaccines and treatments. The economy will go into recession with lower business earnings with higher unemployment.

Short term, and for right now, there will be high volatility - in markets and in people's and institution's behavior.

Get ready. Be strong. Pull together.

[mikefmich]

Get ready. Be strong. Pull together.

Funny, when I noticed this thread I thought oy vey, this is gonna turn quickly into a political FUBAR. Pleasant surprised to see the opposite, I'm seeing some great discourse, like pulling together for facts & common sense.

[401don]

Everyone is finally catching on it appears, mostly because they were forced to cancel events by state or local gov'ts. Meanwhile Florida, possibly the least prepared state due to the high numbers of senior citizens and foreign visitors, carries on with spring training baseball, a PGA golf tournament today, Disney and other theme parks operating as usual.

[Richard]

Everyone is finally catching on it appears, mostly because they were forced to cancel events by state or local gov'ts. Meanwhile Florida, possibly the least prepared state due to the high numbers of senior citizens and foreign visitors, carries on with spring training baseball, a PGA golf tournament today, Disney and other theme parks operating as usual.

Not sure on the least prepared aspect,I have a choice of 16 clinics within a 8 mile radius in which I can go for no cost testing or care in relation to.

We are largely a tourist driven state and millions of service workers that are a crucial part of running it,it is hard to tell them to stay home for an unknown period of time without pay.

The ones that qualify for food assistance received an extra $500 in order to stock up in case.

A majority of the elderly are centered in click locations,outside of the villages which covers 1000s of acres they are not really mingling in the general population to start with.

For the most part all of their family members are up north and rarely even visit them so their exposure level is probably lower then most.

Florida deals with hurricanes,tornadoes,alligators and millions of other critters and after hurricane Andrew actually set the standard for the EOC that is used in every city in the country,we are prepared but not going to freak out until it is necessary.

We live 365 days out of the year being prepared for anything and are geared for fast reaction when necessary by nature,probably more prepared then any other state because it is second nature as a part of living here.

[401don]

Not sure on the least prepared aspect,I have a choice of 16 clinics within a 8 mile radius in which I can go for no cost testing or care in relation to.

We are largely a tourist driven state and millions of service workers that are a crucial part of running it,it is hard to tell them to stay home for an unknown period of time without pay.

The ones that qualify for food assistance received an extra $500 in order to stock up in case.

A majority of the elderly are centered in click locations,outside of the villages which covers 1000s of acres they are not really mingling in the general population to start with.

For the most part all of their family members are up north and rarely even visit them so their exposure level is probably lower then most.

Florida deals with hurricanes,tornadoes,alligators and millions of other critters and after hurricane Andrew actually set the standard for the EOC that is used in every city in the country,we are prepared but not going to freak out until it is necessary.

We live 365 days out of the year being prepared for anything and are geared for fast reaction when necessary by nature,probably more prepared then any other state because it is second nature as a part of living here.

Not meaning to disrespect the sunshine state! I should have said "most susceptible" rather than "least prepared". I meant in terms of the number of intensive care hospital beds with respirators per capita that will be needed should it get into the senior population. As a pre-caution I think it's crazy they are going on with these large gathering events in Florida, although MLB finally woke up and cancelled spring training effective immediately.

[Richard]

Not meaning to disrespect the sunshine state! I should have said "most susceptible" rather than "least prepared". I meant in terms of the number of intensive care hospital beds with respirators per capita that will be needed should it get into the senior population. As a pre-caution I think it's crazy they are going on with these large gathering events in Florida, although MLB finally woke up and cancelled spring training effective immediately.

Lol no disrespect taken.

Because of the large retirement population there is also a larger percentage of medical facilities in place then most places,but that is why they directed everybody to the clinics,in order to keep the hospital beds freed up.

There is a major hospital 3 miles from me that has had 3 complete floors that have been empty for the last 5 years because they sprout up like beans.

Last year the flu overwhelmed the UKs health system to the breaking point and beyond,if it gets that bad you can bet no city or state will be able to deal with it.

But if it gets to that point there are lots of large stadiums etc. or buildings that they can turn into emergency containment centers.

They have been running these situations sense the Cold War they know how to deal with it on a massive scale,the unknown factor is the panic mode.

But the flu was viewed as just the flu and even though it can be spread just like this thing,there was no containment strategies,stopped flights etc.

They showed how it attacked the lungs with xrays,the flu did it as a large clump where as this thing kinda flattens out and coats a larger surface like putting a coating over the surface which restricts the lungs ability to absorb oxygen.

And they still do not know how it mutates in its jump from person to person.

That is why it is tricky,every person reacts differently according to how it mutates.Makes it hard to get a one size fits all cure.That is what I am gathering from it all anyways.


That is what is fueling the panic in the markets and streets,the unknown,once they figure out what drives it then they can get it in check and it will be back to business to usual,no need to freak out over the unknown.

[bust]

I have a choice of 16 clinics within a 8 mile radius in which I can go for no cost testing or care in relation to.

It doesn't matter how many clinics you have nearby or the cost of the test if when you request one it's denied.

According to the Florida Department of Health any request for a test must be approved by the local County Health Department. To be approved the patient must meet the strict criteria put in place by the CDC to be considered a "person under investigation." To be a PUI one of three combinations must apply:

1) You have a fever OR lower respiratory symptoms AND have been in recent close contact with a laboratory-confirmed infected patient;
2) You have a fever AND lower respiratory symptoms AND recently traveled to China, Korea, Italy, Iran, or Japan;
3) You have a fever AND acute lower respiratory symptoms requiring hospitalization AND all alternative diagnoses have been exhausted [[such as flu).

That's why only 484 Floridians have thus far been tested. 0.002% of the population. 1 in 44,000. 7 per county. According to the State of Florida itself.

It doesn't matter if you or Trump and Pence say everyone who wants a test can get one if the evidence on the ground proves otherwise.

Besides, even if the COVID-19 test, if it is ultimately approved, comes at no cost what about the costs of hospitalization and all the tests to disprove every other possible diagnosis that must come first? How do people with no insurance or bad insurance pay for that? It can cost $3270 just for a flu test in Miami, with no hospitalization. If someone can't afford good insurance can they afford that?

A majority of the elderly are centered in click locations,outside of the villages which covers 1000s of acres they are not really mingling in the general population to start with.

Not sure what you mean by click location, but almost every one of my relatives who retired moved to Florida, or they have a second home there. They're all in their 70's and 80's except the ones who have passed. Not one of them has lived in the Villages. They live or lived among the general public. They go to the gym, stores, restaurants, coffeeshops, and doctor's offices, just like everyone else. They're at very high risk.

[CassTechGrad]

I don’t recommend it.

[Dan Wesson]

This is one of the better utube videos out there on the virus, worth sharing.

[Richard]

^ right because your relations represent the majority.

Ever been to Sun City or Haines City or any of the other massive retirement communities that are all over the state when the majority are?

Last thing somebody wants to do on retirement is move into a regular neighborhood and deal with the neighborhood munchkins running around yelling all day,then you have to spend all day yelling at them to keep off of the grass.

Most Mobile home parks and community are 55 and up with gate guards and most of the other large retirement community’s are filled with nosy busybodies from across the country that know every single person as soon as they enter that space,and what they ate for dinner the night before,you ain’t sneaking no virus past them.

Retirees gravitate towards other retirees because of common interests.

It stands to reason that the state would regulate who visits and the guidelines for going to the clinic.

Imagine the nightmare of everybody that sneezes automatically freaks out and heads to the clinic.

I was in the bar the other day having lunch and somebody came in to pick up a to go order,they sneezed and jokingly made a reply about the virus.

10 minutes later the police showed up with masks and gloves looking for the guy.Granted it was in poor taste of a joke.