Corona Virus Crisis Discussion Thread

**Richard** · March-12-20, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

Not meaning to disrespect the sunshine state! I should have said "most susceptible" rather than "least prepared". I meant in terms of the number of intensive care hospital beds with respirators per capita that will be needed should it get into the senior population. As a pre-caution I think it's crazy they are going on with these large gathering events in Florida, although MLB finally woke up and cancelled spring training effective immediately.

Lol no disrespect taken.

Because of the large retirement population there is also a larger percentage of medical facilities in place then most places,but that is why they directed everybody to the clinics,in order to keep the hospital beds freed up.

There is a major hospital 3 miles from me that has had 3 complete floors that have been empty for the last 5 years because they sprout up like beans.

Last year the flu overwhelmed the UKs health system to the breaking point and beyond,if it gets that bad you can bet no city or state will be able to deal with it.

But if it gets to that point there are lots of large stadiums etc. or buildings that they can turn into emergency containment centers.

They have been running these situations sense the Cold War they know how to deal with it on a massive scale,the unknown factor is the panic mode.

But the flu was viewed as just the flu and even though it can be spread just like this thing,there was no containment strategies,stopped flights etc.

They showed how it attacked the lungs with xrays,the flu did it as a large clump where as this thing kinda flattens out and coats a larger surface like putting a coating over the surface which restricts the lungs ability to absorb oxygen.

And they still do not know how it mutates in its jump from person to person.

That is why it is tricky,every person reacts differently according to how it mutates.Makes it hard to get a one size fits all cure.That is what I am gathering from it all anyways.

That is what is fueling the panic in the markets and streets,the unknown,once they figure out what drives it then they can get it in check and it will be back to business to usual,no need to freak out over the unknown.

**Dbest** · March-12-20, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Ok, beyond the hypothetical and abstract Detroit is now getting impacted:

WSU - Student spring break extended...

Michigan confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus

Michelle Obama canceling March Raly...

Michigan confirms first two positive tests

Universities Suspend Classes...

NoOooO!!! Not the Michael Obama rally!!!

**Dan Wesson** · March-12-20, 02:02 PM

This is one of the better utube videos out there on the virus, worth sharing.

**bust** · March-12-20, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

I have a choice of 16 clinics within a 8 mile radius in which I can go for no cost testing or care in relation to.

It doesn't matter how many clinics you have nearby or the cost of the test if when you request one it's denied.

According to the Florida Department of Health any request for a test must be approved by the local County Health Department. To be approved the patient must meet the strict criteria put in place by the CDC to be considered a "person under investigation." To be a PUI one of three combinations must apply:

1) You have a fever OR lower respiratory symptoms AND have been in recent close contact with a laboratory-confirmed infected patient;
2) You have a fever AND lower respiratory symptoms AND recently traveled to China, Korea, Italy, Iran, or Japan;
3) You have a fever AND acute lower respiratory symptoms requiring hospitalization AND all alternative diagnoses have been exhausted [[such as flu).

That's why only 484 Floridians have thus far been tested. 0.002% of the population. 1 in 44,000. 7 per county. According to the State of Florida itself.

It doesn't matter if you or Trump and Pence say everyone who wants a test can get one if the evidence on the ground proves otherwise.

Besides, even if the COVID-19 test, if it is ultimately approved, comes at no cost what about the costs of hospitalization and all the tests to disprove every other possible diagnosis that must come first? How do people with no insurance or bad insurance pay for that? It can cost $3270 just for a flu test in Miami, with no hospitalization. If someone can't afford good insurance can they afford that?

Originally Posted by Richard

A majority of the elderly are centered in click locations,outside of the villages which covers 1000s of acres they are not really mingling in the general population to start with.

Not sure what you mean by click location, but almost every one of my relatives who retired moved to Florida, or they have a second home there. They're all in their 70's and 80's except the ones who have passed. Not one of them has lived in the Villages. They live or lived among the general public. They go to the gym, stores, restaurants, coffeeshops, and doctor's offices, just like everyone else. They're at very high risk.

**Richard** · March-12-20, 02:27 PM

^ right because your relations represent the majority.

Ever been to Sun City or Haines City or any of the other massive retirement communities that are all over the state when the majority are?

Last thing somebody wants to do on retirement is move into a regular neighborhood and deal with the neighborhood munchkins running around yelling all day,then you have to spend all day yelling at them to keep off of the grass.

Most Mobile home parks and community are 55 and up with gate guards and most of the other large retirement community’s are filled with nosy busybodies from across the country that know every single person as soon as they enter that space,and what they ate for dinner the night before,you ain’t sneaking no virus past them.

Retirees gravitate towards other retirees because of common interests.

It stands to reason that the state would regulate who visits and the guidelines for going to the clinic.

Imagine the nightmare of everybody that sneezes automatically freaks out and heads to the clinic.

I was in the bar the other day having lunch and somebody came in to pick up a to go order,they sneezed and jokingly made a reply about the virus.

10 minutes later the police showed up with masks and gloves looking for the guy.Granted it was in poor taste of a joke.

**GPCharles** · March-12-20, 02:43 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/do...cid=spartanntp

**mikefmich** · March-12-20, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Lowell

Get ready. Be strong. Pull together.

Funny, when I noticed this thread I thought oy vey, this is gonna turn quickly into a political FUBAR. Pleasant surprised to see the opposite, I'm seeing some great discourse, like pulling together for facts & common sense.

**401don** · March-12-20, 03:22 PM

On post #4 of this thread, way back yesterday morning, I suggested shutting down everything but essential services, grocery and pharmacy stores and quarantining for 2 weeks. A day later we have all events cancelled, schools closed, people working from home. My idea still sounding so "out there"?

**robtandersen** · March-12-20, 03:42 PM

I think Detroit is fortunate that the Auto Show was moved from end of January to Spring. The first case of the virus was reported to the WHO on Dec 31. Had the autoshow taken place earlier this year, I feel it's likely Detroit would have been an epicenter.

**Richard** · March-12-20, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

On post #4 of this thread, way back yesterday morning, I suggested shutting down everything but essential services, grocery and pharmacy stores and quarantining for 2 weeks. A day later we have all events cancelled, schools closed, people working from home. My idea still sounding so "out there"?

not personally,but yeppers,for every action there is a reaction.

What do the working parents do now that they are at work and the children are at home? And this all targets the ones least effected by it all.

But history shows us the judgment will come with hindsite.

**mtburb** · March-12-20, 06:07 PM

Wow, a third case has already been confirmed. https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...se/5037390002/

**313WX** · March-12-20, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by mtburb

Wow, a third case has already been confirmed. https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...se/5037390002/

FWIW, Michigan has been a laggard in terms of cases.

And it's actually somewhat surprising given how much faster the disease has exploded in other states of similar size with international airports and major global companies.

**Scottathew** · March-12-20, 07:24 PM

Rochester Community Schools has closed indefinitely and will do online learning in the interim.

**313WX** · March-12-20, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

FWIW, Michigan has been a laggard in terms of cases.

And it's actually somewhat surprising given how much faster the disease has exploded in other states of similar size with international airports and major global companies.

And of course, right after saying that, the number of confirmed cases jumped to 12.

**313WX** · March-12-20, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by 48307

Rochester Community Schools has closed indefinitely and will do online learning in the interim.

From what I heard, all Michigan schools will be closed through the beginning of April.

**Zacha341** · March-12-20, 10:35 PM

^^^ It's official: ALL Michigan K12 Primary Schools closed thru April 6th as announced by governor Whitmer:

https://twitter.com/GovWhitmer?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Tonight, I [Gov. Whitmer] announced that in order to slow the spread of COVID-19 in Michigan, I am ordering the closure of all K-12 school buildings to students starting Monday, March 16 until Sunday, April 5. School buildings are scheduled to reopen on Monday, April 6.

https://www.wxyz.com/national/corona...virus-concerns

**401don** · March-13-20, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

And of course, right after saying that, the number of confirmed cases jumped to 12.

Anywhere the cases are extremely low is inevitably because not enough testing was being done or results were not in.

**Maof** · March-13-20, 06:30 AM

This is all he does.....I suppose he'll blame the stock market plunge on Obama too.

For decades the @CDCgov
looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further.....
6:22 AM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

.... Their response to H1N1 Swine Flu was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now. The changes have been made and testing will soon happen on a very large scale basis. All Red Tape has been cut, ready to go!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...10044263333894

For the last month he's been downplaying it as a hoax and fake news by the "do nothing Democrats." Too little too late Donald. Maybe, had he taken it seriously to begin with, we may not be in the mess we are now.

**rickbak** · March-13-20, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Maof

This is all he does.....I suppose he'll blame the stock market plunge on Obama too.

For decades the @CDCgov
looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped. President Obama made changes that only complicated things further.....
6:22 AM · Mar 13, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

.... Their response to H1N1 Swine Flu was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now. The changes have been made and testing will soon happen on a very large scale basis. All Red Tape has been cut, ready to go!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...10044263333894

For the last month he's been downplaying it as a hoax and fake news by the "do nothing Democrats." Too little too late Donald. Maybe, had he taken it seriously to begin with, we may not be in the mess we are now.

The man is nothing but 400 pounds of ignorant orange pus. The sooner he dies---please God!---or is voted out, the better.

And why am I even calling Trump a man?? I mean, really, what real man spends hours coiffing his hair and applying makeup?? Jeezus. Makes the chest-beating by this draft-dodging pussy even more insufferable. As the ex-police chief of Boston [[a Nam vet) once said of Trump: "He's a guy who never took a punch." That's the most amazing thing to me---that, throughout Trump's entire life, nobody ever kicked this fucker's ass, especially with all the NY contractors he screwed over. Probably couldn't get past the security detail this POS has had since he was delivering newspapers from his daddy's limo.

I just hope Donny boy winds up like Weinstein and gets 23 years in the slammer, though I seriously doubt it. Like Stalin, he'll probably die comfortably in his own bed. But who knows? Maybe he'll meet his end like Gaddafi, surrounded by a mob of the people he fucked over and with a broomstick up his lard ass.

**Jimaz** · March-13-20, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

^^^ It's official: ALL Michigan K12 Primary Schools closed thru April 6th as announced by governor Whitmer....

That might backfire. I'm hearing parents are scrambling to find day care now. Isn't that just going to spread the infection faster?

**Zacha341** · March-13-20, 08:52 AM

Alot could backfire... and the law brought in as people start to GO ON THE NUT!

**Zacha341** · March-13-20, 08:53 AM

I get from this you ain't feeling Trump? Right!?

Originally Posted by rickbak

The man is nothing but 400 pounds of ignorant orange pus. The sooner he dies---please God!---or is voted out, the better.

**JBMcB** · March-13-20, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

That might backfire. I'm hearing parents are scrambling to find day care now. Isn't that just going to spread the infection faster?

I've heard the main problem with closing down schools is you are making it difficult for parents to work. Doctors, nurses, paramedics, firefighters, and police are included in that number. Children are at low risk from the disease to begin with.

So it's probably a bad decision.

Source: Michael Olsterholm on the Joe Rogan podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw&t=13s

**Jimaz** · March-13-20, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by rickbak

... throughout Trump's entire life, nobody ever kicked this fucker's ass,....

I have a theory about that based on a kid in grade school whose psychology matched Trump's exactly. This kid had a reputation for being the worst behaved kid in the entire school. He was thrilled to provoke teachers into chasing him around the room.

Trump doesn't just want his ass kicked. He wants it devastated so badly that he can't respond. The reason he's so relentlessly provocative is that he hasn't yet found the person who will do that — despite his lifelong search. I suspect it's some warped attempt to recover the attention he never received as a child.

Here's a prediction that might surprise: If he ever does succeed in his quest to find that person, he will fawn over them like a loyal puppy. That's the person he's been seeking all his life.

It's just a really sad situation.

**Bong-Man** · March-13-20, 10:58 AM

If you close the schools, stop sporting events, cancel rallies,....how long does the Governor leave the casinos open ? Seems to me they should be closing Monday too, if not now, especially considering the age of much of their patrons.