Corona Virus Crisis Discussion Thread

[Lowell]

There seems to be a building stampede of closings, postponements and cancellations, large and small. This little one just came into the inbox from an Eastern Market gallery seems emblematic.

"Wasserman Projects, its staff, and artists are committed to the health and safety of our audience. Given the current situation with the coronavirus [[COVID-19) we feel it is best to cancel this Friday's opening reception of our Spring 2020 Exhibitions featuring Dorota & Steve Coy's - The Five Realms, and Adrian Wong's - Tiles, Grates, Poles, Rocks, Plants, and Veggies.

"At this time, Wasserman Projects will remain closed to the public in order to properly prepare our space for visitors - through extensive protective protocols including the installation of new hand sanitizer stations, daily cleaning of all touch surfaces, and other best practices."

[Dan Wesson]

the major colleges have now advised students not to return to classes after spring break. Moving or attempting to move to online classes.

https://www.theoaklandpress.com/life...05a3a433d.html

[ASilvaman]

Nuts. It's just another flu virus, maybe a bit deadlier for the aged [[like me) and sick. Life has to go on otherwise.

Sorry if I don't take your assessment of this, or Mr. Limbaugh very seriously. There seems to be a certain segment of our population that always wanna lessen the severity of things by making false comparisons, which is extremely foolish and deadly, especially for a person that's of age like yourself.

German Chancellor predicts a 70% infection rate in her country. With the current 2% mortality rate, that would be 4 million deaths. Is the US prepared for 4 millions deaths? Is this still anything like the typical flu to you? Are you still gonna try to convince your family and friends is ok to go about their everyday activities like there's nothing to worry about?

But I'm willing to bet this will instead decent into a hate Merkel conversation.

[401don]

Nuts. It's just another flu virus, maybe a bit deadlier for the aged [[like me) and sick. Life has to go on otherwise.

Yeah all these doctors are nuts.

[softailrider]

As of now, 5:42pm on March 11th, less then 40 people have reportedly died. That is out of a population of over 300 million. Yes, this is very scary, but at this point you have to keep it in perspective. I’m going to stick close to home for a while, avoid crowded situations if I can, and continue to live my life without freaking out, at least at this point.

[Jimaz]

There seems to be a building stampede of closings, postponements and cancellations, large and small....

At least one local nursing home is turning away all visitors for at least two weeks but that's understandable.

The portcullises are falling like anvils.

Bring out your dead [[Monty Python)

[Ray1936]

Sorry if I don't take your assessment of this, or Mr. Limbaugh very seriously. There seems to be a certain segment of our population that always wanna lessen the severity of things by making false comparisons, which is extremely foolish and deadly, especially for a person that's of age like yourself. .

Well, I'm 83, and just a couple of steps away from death's doorstep anyway. But I'm not gonna hide in a corner and shudder. In fact, I think I'll take a Franklin and head to the casino this evening.

[401don]

Frozen Four at LCA in April will be played without fans. Big loss of revenue for downtown business and the city.

[Gistok]

If you want to know where these viruses "likely" originate... check out this Wuhan China "Wet Market".... warning... this is disgusting to watch... they eat everything in China... dog, cat, snake, bat... and things you can't identify....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rzgO9S5SM

[Lowell]

[QUOTE=ASilvaman;588164
German Chancellor predicts a 70% infection rate in her country. With the current 2% mortality rate, that would be 4 million deaths.[/QUOTE]

Ahem. Not to diminish the seriousness of this but 2% of 70% of 83 million is not 4 million.

[401don]

If you want to know where these viruses "likely" originate... check out this Wuhan China "Wet Market".... warning... this is disgusting to watch... they eat everything in China... dog, cat, snake, bat... and things you can't identify....

A couple of my friends from China [[who agree these markets are disgusting by the way) have said it's not the poor eating this stuff. The poor bring these animals in from rural areas to be sold in the city to the middle and upper class. It's a cultural thing that won't easily be changed. Meanwhile the poor eat mostly rice because they can't afford these "delicacies".

[EastsideAl]

Frozen Four at LCA in April will be played without fans. Big loss of revenue for downtown business and the city.

It appears that spectator sports are about to be down for the count. The NCAA has declared that the basketball and hockey tournaments will be played without fans. Can the NBA and the NHL be too far behind them? And I sure wouldn't count on going to Tigers opening day in a couple of weeks.

NYC has postponed their auto show originally scheduled for next month, so even though it seems far off in June I wouldn't necessarily count on the one here happening either. Movie theaters, concerts, museums, etc. seem also likely to be closed or canceled in the coming weeks.

[Zacha341]

That's right. My math stinks so I have this handy, easy-to-use percent calculator bookmarked for regular use:

percentagecalculator.net

Ahem. Not to diminish the seriousness of this but 2% of 70% of 83 million is not 4 million.

German Chancellor predicts a 70% infection rate in her country. With the current 2% mortality rate, that would be 4 million deaths.

[Danny]

Viruses have a mission against mankind.

1. infect

2. divide

3. KILL

We can beat these serial killers.

[Zacha341]

Yep. It's the elite, and rich who have the highest, rapacious appetite for all that stuff. And can afford it! Chinese food in China hardly resembles what we eat here. Those that have visited China learn this FAST!!

The poor bring these animals in from rural areas to be sold in the city to the middle and upper class. It's a cultural thing that won't easily be changed. Meanwhile the poor eat mostly rice because they can't afford these "delicacies".

[rickbak]

Well, the Stable Genius will address the country tonite. Let's see what old fucknuts has to say about this hoax, um, fake news, er, plot hatched by the deep state, or whatever.

[EastsideAl]

The problem is that this thing is both non-threatening to most people, and that it is deadly or requires long-term intensive treatment for a not insignificant percentage of those who get it. It is also clearly highly contagious and pretty easily spread, even by those who are showing few or no symptoms.

So there is a particular danger of it passing from the often asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic young to the very vulnerable elderly and people with certain health problems. Perhaps en masse. Proximity to the carrier or anything they've contacted seems to be the most important factor in spreading it, thus the concentration on reducing crowds and contact. The most important thing is that we just do not have the hospital facilities to deal with the possible number of acute cases in need of intensive care, so better we do what we can to slow its spread now.

The fact that the feds have botched up the testing [[look over there at Canada, where they can now run thousands of tests a day to our hundreds), and that there are clearly many thousands more people out there carrying and potentially spreading the virus than we know about, makes it doubly imperative that we undergo some short-term suffering and inconvenience now to stop the potential for a much larger disaster.

Yes, it may all seem like an over-reaction, and if they're successful and only hundreds or a couple thousand die rather than many more, a lot of people will probably complain that they don't understand what all that fuss was about. But the people I know in the medical community, many of whom are normally quite blase, are much more spooked by the potential of this coronavirus than anything I've ever seen.

[rickbak]

This pandemic reminds me of a small but sobering incident when we buried my father-in-law a couple years back. Didn't realize until that day at his family's plot that he'd had two siblings who died in 1918 or 1919 from the worldwide flu epidemic. It struck me that he had lived to be 95 while his "older" siblings only made it to a year or two.

[Danny]

I'll be VERY disappointed if these events were cancelled and I was looking forward to them. Mo Pop Festival 2020 just announcing the music artist lineup on their facebook page shortly. So far,the events hasn't pull the plug yet as long the coronvirus doesn't gets even worse here in Michigan. And yes, this is a health rise and we all need to be ready to fight this.

That might be cancelled as well.

[Danny]

The problem is that this thing is both non-threatening to most people, and that it is deadly or requires long-term intensive treatment for a not insignificant percentage of those who get it. It is also clearly highly contagious and pretty easily spread, even by those who are showing few or no symptoms.

So there is a particular danger of it passing from the often asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic young to the very vulnerable elderly and people with certain health problems. Perhaps en masse. Proximity to the carrier or anything they've contacted seems to be the most important factor in spreading it, thus the concentration on reducing crowds and contact. The most important thing is that we just do not have the hospital facilities to deal with the possible number of acute cases in need of intensive care, so better we do what we can to slow its spread now.

The fact that the feds have botched up the testing [[look over there at Canada, where they can now run thousands of tests a day to our hundreds), and that there are clearly many thousands more people out there carrying and potentially spreading the virus than we know about, makes it doubly imperative that we undergo some short-term suffering and inconvenience now to stop the potential for a much larger disaster.

Yes, it may all seem like an over-reaction, and if they're successful and only hundreds or a couple thousand die rather than many more, a lot of people will probably complain that they don't understand what all that fuss was about. But the people I know in the medical community, many of whom are normally quite blase, are much more spooked by the potential of this coronavirus than anything I've ever seen.

The coronavirus is a just like a common cold with a kick. Young people can get the virus and have little or no symptoms and recovered quickly however as living biological inhibitors. Just a cough and a sneeze within community transmission to anyone who does not have a stronger immune system will get sicker quicker and possibly be doomed to die!

[EastsideAl]

This chart from the CDC shows why the speed and intensity at which the outbreak plays out matters so much for it's consequences. What's clear here is that without pro-active protective measures, such as reducing crowds and other significant human contact points, a viral outbreak like Covid-19 for which there is no human immunity or vaccine can quickly overwhelm the health care system.

[Danny]

If you want to know where these viruses "likely" originate... check out this Wuhan China "Wet Market".... warning... this is disgusting to watch... they eat everything in China... dog, cat, snake, bat... and things you can't identify....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1rzgO9S5SM

Most Chinese people don't have enough "Yuan" dollars to buy luxury healthy and junk food [[From Wal-Mart). So they go into bazaars buy dog, cat, snake, bat and panda and make chop suey out the them. Then the viruses will come out bowels of animals and enter into their weak frail bodies and started to spread like crazy to every nation on Earth. Yes blame the Chinese for their mess. But one day they will learn their lesson when this pandemic is over and President Xi and the commie leaders answer to World Court of the U.N.

[Atticus]

The problem is a lot of people are overlooking this key context:
Start with the 2% mortality rate, and for discussion sake let’s just say the 2% figure is correct. If you dont agree with my percentages, swap them out with your own. You will still probably end up with a big number at the end regardless.

Next, let’s talk about the others who get it but don’t die. As it has been shown, a significant portion have none or minor symptoms that at worst can be “cured” by staying home, drinking fluids, and getting some rest. Let’s say 70% [[being optimistic) fall into that category. That means the other 30% are going to need extra care. Of that 30%, maybe 15% [[again being optimistic) can be cured by minor medical assistance [[some pain drugs, additional fluids, etc). That means the other 15% [[13% who survive + 2% who don’t) will need significant medical help [[ie hospital beds, doctors, nurses, etc.)

Finally, let’s go back to the total percentage of people who get the disease. Germany thinks up to 60% of their population could get it, but I am going to continue to be optimistic and say it is only 30% in the USA.

So under my very optimistic calculations: [[330million Americans) x [[30% who get it) x [[15% who need hospital beds) = 14.8million hospital beds needed for the virus. Using the same percentages for 10 million Michigan residents results in 450,000 hospital beds. As most on here know, that bed number is about 2/3 the population of the City of Detroit, and twice the population of the City of Grand Rapids.

Think about that demand that will be needed. We have no where near that number of hospital beds, or medical staff, or IV bags, etc. Where do these people go? Who takes care of them? If the percentages are close to correct, the only solution is to slow the virus spread so people don’t all need the hospital beds at the same time. That my friends is what all of these cancellations are truly about... slowing the inevitable spread.

[hybridy]

My family is reporting rationing of water, no TP, no meat, no bread and very limited produce at the Roseville Costco this evening.

I went out Feb 25 to stock up, and posted to this thread over on non-Detroit issues. The response varied, but most were on the opinion of the Ray1936 post above. Personally, you do you, but the folks that end up in ICU don't feel the same, and there will be shortages of beds. Persons over 60 may not get first dibs at those bed. I truly feel bad for families whose loved ones will die alone in Nursing Homes because of quarantines. We'll be studying this long after, and is an excellent stress test on our healthcare resources.

PS - Wal-Mart paying for 2 weeks sick leave and insurers are eliminating co-pays for CoVID-19 testing. "Socialism is great", as long as it's my idea and not some communist. How bout them Primary results eh?!

[Gistok]

Many people feel that the Dodge brothers both died of the Spanish Flu in 1920... but that is not totally accurate...

Death of the Dodge Brothers

Dodge continued to expand in the following years, adding new vehicles and spread out in markets such as Canada. The Dodge brothers made millions from the sale of Ford stock and dividends, as well as from sales of their own vehicles.
The brothers died unexpectedly in 1920. Horace Dodge fell ill with pneumonia during the 1920 New York Auto Show in January. John Dodge sat by his bedside and caught pneumonia, as well. He died only 10 days later. He was 55.
Horace Dodge continued to fight his illness for many more months. He died in December of 1920 from cirrhosis of the liver. He was 52.
At the time of their death, Dodge was the second-best-selling automobile in the country. The company was sold to Chrysler in 1928.