50+killed in Las Vegas concert shooting-200+injured

[bust]

In Florida an 18-year-old can buy an AR-15 in a private sale without a background check, 100s of magazines, and 1000s of bullets — without so much as a driver's license. Those are the laws. For when the gun nuts start screaming to enforce the laws we have.

Credit: Josh Moon via Twitter
https://twitter.com/Josh_Moon/status/963920712682692612

[ABetterDetroit]

Big difference between a grenade and a pipe bomb,probably not best to refer to illogical arguments if one does not know the difference.

You would be hard pressed to find a grenade at the box store but you can purchase the materials to make a pipe bomb without raising an ibrow.

There are hundreds of ways to hurt people enmass,no gun required.

Wow.

Even Richard understands that making possession and sale of Grenades a Major Federal Felony has been highly successful in reducing Grenade deaths in schools in America!

Kinda sucks for kids though on your "there are hundreds" of ways to kill children so what could possibly be wrong with having semi-automatic high powered rifles designed to have low recoil and accept fast changing fully loaded 30 round magazines readily available by the millions to make the choice of a deadly weapon simple and easy so these deranged fuck heads can get a big chubby fondling the weapon and feeling all powerful for the first time ever in there lives because adults thinking like you made it simple.

Maybe we should put children in charge.

[Richard]

Wow.

Even Richard understands that making possession and sale of Grenades a Major Federal Felony has been highly successful in reducing Grenade deaths in schools in America!

Kinda sucks for kids though on your "there are hundreds" of ways to kill children so what could possibly be wrong with having semi-automatic high powered rifles designed to have low recoil and accept fast changing fully loaded 30 round magazines readily available by the millions to make the choice of a deadly weapon simple and easy so these deranged fuck heads can get a big chubby fondling the weapon and feeling all powerful for the first time ever in there lives because adults thinking like you made it simple.

Maybe we should put children in charge.

Now you are just being silly,Killing is a felony,drugs on a school campus is a felony.

I would think if somebody is going to carry out what happened it being a felony to purchase a gun is the least of what is going through their head.

I would rather have a chubby in one hand and a 9 mil in the other when some wako is going to harm those around me,what are you going to do,beat the guy with your chubby? Let us know how well that went.

Plain and simple,you are not going to get the guns or even regulate them to the point when we are sheep to the slaughter,I do realize it does fit the socialist agenda where it makes it easy to take countries over but it is not happening.

Why so much energy directed towards getting rid of guns but not the same directed towards the real issue of mental care,once again the people do not count when it comes to an agenda.

I think both sides could agree on a mental health fix,over 50% of those baker acted are juveniles,they have already removed morals,values,respect,discipline and accountability,religious beliefs from from the picture what is left but violence.

Mass killings have been happening in this country from the 1700s,remember the term of going postal.

But hey keep going after gun control,Russian collusion,government shutdowns etc. because they are much easier then actually implementing changes of the core issues,then pretend to care about their fellow Americans.

Look at me I support gun control,there I did something.

The children are in charge,you seen them sitting there scowling at the SOTU speech.

[canuck]

The first comments I read after the Florida shootings were directed to Liberals by a bunch of bubbas hashtagging Liberalism is a mental disease, etc... lol

So, I guess there isn't much room for discussion if what you want is taking care of the mentally ill, and the bubbas think the lefties are all rotting from the brain on down, and the libtards don't think much of the deplorables. The solution may indeed be more guns, not less, since who can say; "guns are crazy". Guns are inanimate, neutral objects up until the time they are used.

17 people died yesterday, I don't know how many severely injured. I heard yesterday that 46 days into 2018, there had been 17 gun shootings in US schools so far. When will teachers finally be carrying guns to protect children? When will daycare owners and preachers, sunday school marms and senior caregivers start packing guns in order to keep some level of protection from the crazies at bay? More guns is the solution, not the problem, I say. Hashtag.

[Jimaz]

The Onion reprints this headline every time there's another massacre: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.

And yes, we all know The Onion is satirical and they're not making a joke of a serious situation. Sometimes satire is not meant to be funny.

[bust]

Why so much energy directed towards getting rid of guns but not the same directed towards the real issue of mental care,once again the people do not count when it comes to an agenda.

Isn't it strange how mental illness hardly slaughters anyone in Canada, Australia, and United Kingdom?

[jcole]

Leaving this here:

[oladub]

About 2/3 of homicide deaths in the US are gun related. In Chicago, so far this year, there have been 60 homicides of which 52 are gun homicides. 55% of gun homicide victims in the U.S. are black. There seems to be less outrage about that. See https://heyjackass.com [[better link than it sounds.) Of the 2.6M deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were from firearms and about 2/3 of those firearm deaths were from suicide. Less than 1% of gun murders reported by the FBI in 2010 were from mass murders.

Two of the largest mass shootings in the U.S. since 2012 have been by Muslim extremists [[Orlando nightclub 49 dead, San Bernardino Christmas party 14 dead). Were domestic mass killings, rather than mass killings with guns of concern, the largest mass killing killed 2,996 on 9/11/01. Were the perpetrator of mass killings, rather than just domestic mass killings, to be considered, our federal government has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq during somewhat the same time period.

Which reminds me, the per capita homicide rate in Washington, D.C. with its stringent gun control laws is 22 times that of New Hampshire's. Obviously, Washington is not the go to place to answer this problem.

The largest mass shooting [[Las Vegas 58 dead) still has no known motive and video footage of Mr. Paddock's comings and goings with boxed rifles in a casino are curiously missing. From what I've read, casinos have a lot of security cameras.

Mass murders seem to be increasing particularly in the W. Bush, Obama, and Trump era. We had guns prior to Bush but fewer incidents of school and other mass shootings. I don't have the reason for that but speculate that one thing that seems to have changed is that the level of media and game violence seems to have increased since the 80's. What does hours of shooting people in online games or watching thousands of hours of violent media do to teenage brains for instance?

[aj3647]

Shooter’s social media paints an interesting picture: obsession with guns, slurs against Muslims, picture of the shooter wearing a Donald Trump MAGA hat.

Not too hard to connect the dots on this one. Can’t call it “terrorism” though...

[Richard]

Isn't it strange how mental illness hardly slaughters anyone in Canada, Australia, and United Kingdom?

Easy enough to do a search on each country and see how it is not strange,because it happens there also.

They also have mass killings,but those are mostly the results of bombs.

Illeagle kills somebody with a gun and it is outlaw guns and not fix the illegal problem.

Cuba,N Korea,Venezuela and every other dictatorship went after the guns first then had the power over everybody at will,countries were rolled over in a matter of hours during WW2 because of anti gun policies.

When our forefathers wrote the constitution they knew there was always going to be a force looking to disarm the population in order to take control easy enough,notice they were not wrong 200 years later.

All of these years going after guns but yet once again nobody wants to adress the mental health care aspect,maybe they just figure it is the job of the police to handle it,notice they are getting killed over it also?

Just like the politions calling for more gun control,as they are surrounded by security with guns.Because they want to pick and choose who can protect themselves.

Makeing things illegal really does not seem to work,what makes you think that there is a magic potion in disarming?

Other then creating soft targets.

[Johnnny5]

** Update.. Someone at the Free Press appears to be editing the article to make it look slightly less ridiculous. The title has been modified and I'm not sure what has been removed from the article since I read it.

The resident race-baiter for the Detroit Free Press has this mass shooting problem all figured out.

"What do America's mass shootings have in common? White, male culprits."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2018/02/16/what-do-most-americas-mass-shootings-have-common-white-culprits/340185002/

[Honky Tonk]

** Update.. Someone at the Free Press appears to be editing the article to make it look slightly less ridiculous. The title has been modified and I'm not sure what has been removed from the article since I read it.

The resident race-baiter for the Detroit Free Press has this mass shooting problem all figured out.

"What do America's mass shootings have in common? White, male culprits."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/col...its/340185002/

@ least it doesn't happen in Detroit....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjCqpCJwVNg

[MizMotown]

Interesting article from Mother Jones regarding Vegas. Applies to the recent school shooter...

"...Coined by pioneers of the evolving field of threat assessment, the “pathway to violence” refers to a series of escalating behaviors leading to an attack, which can comprise a crucial period of time for possible intervention. Typically this process begins with a deep-seated grievance that turns to motivation, followed by planning and then an act of targeted violence. Though the process varies widely in its circumstances and duration, it precedes virtually all mass shootings."

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...they-never-do/

[MizMotown]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...urers-america/

"....At the NRA’s annual Corporate Executives Luncheon the next year, Fifer presented a check to the group for more than $1.25 million—$1 for every Sturm Ruger gun purchased the prior year. Eight months later, 20-year-old Adam Lanza used a semi-auto­matic rifle and a 30-round magazine to gun down 20 children and six adults at Newtown’s Sandy Hook Elementary School, located just 27 miles from Sturm Ruger’s headquarters.In the year following the shooting, Sturm Ruger’s profits increased 56 percent. Fifer’s compensation that year was more than $2.6 million. He sits on the board of the National Shooting Sports Foundation."

[Richard]

And 90% percent of the shooters had one thing in common,the drugs they were on.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-...ool-shootings/

http://www.cchrflorida.org/antidepre...ass-shootings/


Kids acting up,do not spank them,it is inhuman just pump them full of drugs and they will be okay ... or not.

[canuck]

** Update.. Someone at the Free Press appears to be editing the article to make it look slightly less ridiculous. The title has been modified and I'm not sure what has been removed from the article since I read it.

The resident race-baiter for the Detroit Free Press has this mass shooting problem all figured out.

"What do America's mass shootings have in common? White, male culprits."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2018/02/16/what-do-most-americas-mass-shootings-have-common-white-culprits/340185002/

Swell. It's something they have in common with Richard's forefathers. Moses Heston et al... Jeezus.

[Richard]

^ Hey how are those Canadian guns laws working out ?

Not so well I guess.

If Canada were included as part of the 31 countries that make up the wider European region, it would rank fourth in terms of gun-homicide rates. In terms of sheer numbers, only France, Germany and Italy have more gun deaths a year. Suddenly it seems as if Canada isn't the haven of peace and gun harmony that people might think. And this is just homicides we're talking about.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/why-canada-has-a-gun-problem/article29642837/

I guess we only need to look towards our northern neighbors to see how well restricted gun control works,and speaking of military grade weapons,whatever did happen with those thousands of fully automatic weapons that just disappeared into nowhere.

It is a bit hypocritical when you covertly arm children for war then claim moral ground.

3 days off of the boat my ancestors jumped into the start of the revolutionary war,good thing they were able to get their hands on some stashed guns that the brits tried to relieve everybody of,in order to have a peaceful ending.

[canuck]

There aren't enough guns in Canada, Richard. That is the problem. It would be hypocritical of me to pretend otherwise.

[Richard]

^ well if the SHTF we would have your back.

It is an estimated 53 million lives lost in to 20th century due to war,genocide and countries conversion to dictatorship.

When Poland was rolled through it took 1.5 million troops to subdue 35 million residents,when you look at the countries Hitler rolled through pretty much all had gone through a period of disarmament in both the civilian population and military.

Even in his own country one of the first thing he did was disarm the civilian population,no different then the standard procedure for implementing a dictatorship.

Unfortantaly the world has a dark side and when some are moved around they bring that with them and the erosion of morals and values is creating a recipe for disaster.

When I went to school we would have never even thought twice of disrespecting our elders,teachers,LEO,if we got out of line there was always that paddle with the holes drilled in it.

Now on tv a second thought is not given to a 8 year old flipping the bird and kids are subject to violence in movies and games and music 24-7.

Guns are easy to go after,takeing a hard look at where we are and what we have become as a society maybe not so easy.

When one shoots up a school are they extracting anger on those who in their mind did them wrong? Why not a mall or mass gathering?

Should we be looking at guns or how we treat each other in society,where was the community involvement when this guy had serious well known issiues.

[Bong-Man]

Never owned a gun and neither did my parents. Never hunted or shot an animal either. That being said, I certainly respect anyone's right to do so, as long as the law is followed. However, I've always thought the NRA and right-wing philosophy of a 'Well-regulated militia', along with the literal interpretation of the constitution to justify that belief, is beyond absurd. That includes then and now. If you owned a cannon during the revolution [[and there were some private owners), the government came and took it from you for their own purposes. Today, your little AR-15 pop-gun isn't going to defend you against rockets, modern tanks, nukes, or biological weapons, which regardless of how the 2nd amendment is interpreted, they won't allow you to own anyway [[so much for consistency). It might help you defend your last jar of Prego and can of Spam from your hungry desperate neighbor for a bit, but that's about it. Any dreams of your weapons being used to overthrow a government is some kind of fantasy brought about by playing too much "Call of Duty" and repeated viewings of "Red Dawn". 6% of the population own more than 40% of the weapons out there, and my instinct tells me that if the shit ever comes down, those are the last people I'd be willing to follow anywhere for anything.


And remember, if I possess a Medical marijuana card, I need to give up my already established gun rights. But 1/3 of the population taking opiates are in the clear, and the documented mentally insane get a pass too. You may also get drunk to your hearts content, because we all know THAT never causes any problems. Hang loose, because pretty soon we may even let you carry that piece in a bar while you get drunk. Absolutely bizarre.

[Richard]

There will be some that will use their weapons to get your last can of beans,so no need to try and protect that.

Yes the odds of having to overthrow the government are slim but considering what extent some just went through to try and gain control of the government for their private means it becomes a probability,what makes anybody think that they are so special that if that happens that they will be exempt from do as I say or die.

You have seen how even winning a football game can throw a city into chaos what do you think would happen if a dirty bomb is used,when you are standing there saying I wish I had a gun to protect my family it will be to late.

You buy auto insurance and may never have an accident or use if in your life but it is there when you need it.

It really would not take much to become a hand maiden situation,look at the political discourse already,the ASP would rather see everybody dead that does not agree with them already which is how they operate world wide.It is hard to argue that the ratio of those who feel everything is a right and should be free is not increasing tremendously.

You are right about bizarre,a drug manufacturer ships 22 million doses of opiates to a town of 5000,68,000 opiate deaths but nobody marches on Washington for that one,claim your child has ADHD and collect $800 a month while pumping them full of drugs,people do not have a problem with that,I do not think the weed aspect is bizarre,more so asinine but the Feds do make a pretty penny off of it so they really have no incentive to allow its use.

[Canadian Visitor]

^ Hey how are those Canadian guns laws working out ?

Not so well I guess.

The overall homicide rate in the U.S. last year was 4.88 per 100,000
Canada was 1.68

I think the gun laws are doing fine.

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Of course its overly simplistic to put it all down to gun laws.

They are but one part of civilized society.

Good schools, high graduation rates, programs which effectively combat poverty, high rates of social inclusion all help too.

[Maof]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...09332042596352

Playing the blame game once again. Well than, why did you sign the bill rolling back regulations....oh, probably because he can say he did. The guy is nuts.

[Maof]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...oryId=91942478

[Richard]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...09332042596352

Playing the blame game once again. Well than, why did you sign the bill rolling back regulations....oh, probably because he can say he did. The guy is nuts.

Maybe because he saw how dramatic and extreme people were in not excepting
the election results we needed way to protect ourself.You gotta admit it is
borderline psychotic at times.

So exactly what did the previous administration do to help the situation
other then healthy lunches that none of the kids would eat.

Schools still the same,infrastructure still the same,immigration still the same,
etc.etc.