Henderson Goes Nuclear on Kid Rock/Ilitch

[Wesley Mouch]

Nobody I know wants to compel displays of patriotism. Its just disrespectful. No "or else..." Go right ahead. You have the right to disrespect or burn the flag. Completely. Enjoy yourself.

But don't expect respect back.

I thought CK wants more respect for black lives. And is trying to get attention on the issue by being disrespectful? Bad strategy. Should've tried a ribbon during anthem. There are a lot of ways of showing respect while making your point. This undermines support for his cause. Bad strategy.

[aj3647]

Nobody I know wants to compel displays of patriotism. Its just disrespectful. No "or else..." Go right ahead. You have the right to disrespect or burn the flag. Completely. Enjoy yourself.

But don't expect respect back.

I thought CK wants more respect for black lives. And is trying to get attention on the issue by being disrespectful? Bad strategy. Should've tried a ribbon during anthem. There are a lot of ways of showing respect while making your point. This undermines support for his cause. Bad strategy.

If you want to know why Colin Kaepernick kneels for the anthem, here's why:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-of-allegiance

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...r-over-racist/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fire-ch...nthem-protest/

And of course, this is by no means a comprehensive list, it's just a handful of examples.

[Kevgoblue]

I thought CK wants more respect for black lives. And is trying to get attention on the issue by being disrespectful? Bad strategy. Should've tried a ribbon during anthem. There are a lot of ways of showing respect while making your point. This undermines support for his cause. Bad strategy.

1. What political protest has ever been been successful, that did not cause people to be uncomfortable?
2. BLM. Looked at as, and called thugs or a hate group by many whites. CK. Doesn't get an anybody's face, rather he peacefully takes a knee but now those same people say he's disrespectful. How do you suggest he should he protest in a way so as not to offend the majority of whites?

[Bham1982]

How do you suggest he should he protest in a way so as not to offend the majority of whites?

They think he should shut the hell up. These people think black folks are predators, welfare scum, or animals for entertainment.

You even have the MI State Police chief calling peaceful protestors "degenerates". That's the state's law enforcement telling you, very clearly, what she thinks about black folks and their civil rights.

[aj3647]

They think he should shut the hell up. These people think black folks are predators, welfare scum, or animals for entertainment.

You even have the MI State Police chief calling peaceful protestors "degenerates". That's the state's law enforcement telling you, very clearly, what she thinks about black folks and their civil rights.

No form of black protest will ever be acceptable to a significant percentage of White America. They just want black people to shut up and entertain them and not have thoughts or opinions of their own, not express those thoughts, and definitely not to challenge the status quo.

It doesn't matter what Colin Kaepernick does as a protest, tens of millions of white people will find some way to declare that it is "unacceptable." So given that, no black person anywhere should even bother trying to engage in "white-approved" forms of protest, because those simply do not exist.

[Richard]

No form of black protest will ever be acceptable to a significant percentage of White America. They just want black people to shut up and entertain them and not have thoughts or opinions of their own, not express those thoughts, and definitely not to challenge the status quo.

It doesn't matter what Colin Kaepernick does as a protest, tens of millions of white people will find some way to declare that it is "unacceptable." So given that, no black person anywhere should even bother trying to engage in "white-approved" forms of protest, because those simply do not exist.

That is what they are paid to do,would you pay to go see a movie and instead of playing the movie your President got up in front of the screen and gave a speech. What did you pay for a movie or a speech.

When you were in the military and your supervisor said to go do something and you took the knee in protest,what would have happened?

If you are employed and went to work and took the knee in protest would you expect to get paid or even keep your job?

You are part of the problem with your division train of thought.

[southen]

Their job is to play football. They're protesting before the game begins which has zero impact on their job. Nice try though.

Also, thanks for popping in to talk about Kid Rock getting political and offensive when people showed up to see a concert. Oh thats right, you didn't. Weird.

[Meddle]

When a deposed, disgraced Judge can win a senate primary [[let alone even enter one), all bets are off.

This country is truly on a fast track to hell.

[Wesley Mouch]

No form of black protest will ever be acceptable to a significant percentage of White America. They just want black people to shut up and entertain them and not have thoughts or opinions of their own, not express those thoughts, and definitely not to challenge the status quo.

It doesn't matter what Colin Kaepernick does as a protest, tens of millions of white people will find some way to declare that it is "unacceptable." So given that, no black person anywhere should even bother trying to engage in "white-approved" forms of protest, because those simply do not exist.

What on earth is 'black protest'. Do we now self-segregate based on how and what we protest?

Anyways...

What I'd like to know is... what are acceptable forms of celebration and honor of one's country?

Is it appropriate to have a moment to pause to celebrate the country? Not mandatory, of course. I think it is appropriate. And important.

Some of commentariat have pointed out that this team standing ritual is quite recent. And may have been paid for by the US Military. To which I say, bravo.

Do you need to agree? No. Do you need to go to the game? No. Should you be required to join the celebration of the US? No. Stay in the locker room? Sure.

But taking a shared moment to celebrate our nation shouldn't be abducted by each and every person who doesn't agree. Protest if you wish, but don't take away this opportunity from others.

To those of you who honor Mr. Kaepernicks protest... I think what you are missing is that this isn't about Kaepernick's issue. Its about suppression of something that's wonderful.

How do you solve this?

How about this?

"Ladies, Gentlemen, and People... if you wish, please rise to share a moment of celebration of our great nation by joining in singing our National Anthem".

"Thank You".

"Now we'd like to take a moment to proudly accept dissent in America. If you'd like to stand, and raise a banner for your concerns about our great country, please do so. Today's featured protest is the fight against Corporate Welfare. The very stadium in which you stand was funded by your tax dollars, but will personally benefit Mr. Potter and the shareholders of Potterville, Inc. If you are offended, please proudly stand."

"Please join us at our next game and invite your friends to our 'Protest Against US Aggression in North Korea' night."

I promise not to go down on one knee during the Protest Moments, unless its the "Protest Against Protests" night.

[Richard]

Their job is to play football. They're protesting before the game begins which has zero impact on their job. Nice try though.

Also, thanks for popping in to talk about Kid Rock getting political and offensive when people showed up to see a concert. Oh thats right, you didn't. Weird.

Kid rock is running for senate 2018, so yea,everything he does and says becomes politico,it is just par to the course.

People go to the game for the expirence,if not then quit building/funding stadiums because they can just stay home and watch it.

No different then going out to a movie when one can stay at home and watch it.

[Richard]

When a deposed, disgraced Judge can win a senate primary [[let alone even enter one), all bets are off.

This country is truly on a fast track to hell.

Yet when a president gets elected to drain the swamp,people are unhappy.

One either wants to support fixing things or not,cannot have it both ways.

[Meddle]

But taking a shared moment to celebrate our nation shouldn't be abducted by each and every person who doesn't agree. Protest if you wish, but don't take away this opportunity from others.

To those of you who honor Mr. Kaepernicks protest... I think what you are missing is that this isn't about Kaepernick's issue. Its about suppression of something that's wonderful.

Bub, this ain't the 1950s any more. There is very little 'wonderful' to celebrate. We got an outright jackass in the WH and a disgraced Judge running for Senate.

[Meddle]

Yet when a president gets elected to drain the swamp,people are unhappy.

That worthless piece of crap is filling the swamp faster than anyone in the last 300 years.

[Richard]

That worthless piece of crap is filling the swamp faster than anyone in the last 300 years.

Awwww,maybe you can get Hillary, useing Bernies server,to email you a group hug and make it all better.

[southen]

Kid rock is running for senate 2018, so yea,everything he does and says becomes politico,it is just par to the course.

People go to the game for the expirence,if not then quit building/funding stadiums because they can just stay home and watch it.

No different then going out to a movie when one can stay at home and watch it.

He's not running for Senate. He hasn't filed anything. All he's doing is getting rubes like you excited enough to buy merchandise. You're a hypocrite. Just own it.

[archfan]

Awwww,maybe you can get Hillary, useing Bernies server,to email you a group hug and make it all better.

This isn't about Hillary, the election was almost a year ago. This is about the performance of our current president and his administration [[e.g. Price, Mnuchin).

[313WX]

Wait, did someone seriously suggest that today is worse than the 1950s, an era where lynchings, segregation and calling people the n-word was all legal and socially acceptable? Give me a break!

That's exactly why sane people hate SJWs. They do nothing but divide and conquer using the most obscure and ridiculous arguments.

And you never see these SJWs engage in a dialogue or protest in favor of things that will go a lot further to help those who are disadvantaged, such as single-payer healthcare, free college or a living wage.

[Bham1982]

Yet when a president gets elected to drain the swamp,people are unhappy.

Trump is the disgusting, fetid swamp creature. He's a traitorous cancer that needs to be removed if this country wants to survive intact.

No one elected Trump to "drain the swamp"; it was either Republicans who just voted for party or Trump's hard-core band of racists, nativists, conspiracy theorists, Russian bots and village idiots.

One either wants to support fixing things or not,cannot have it both ways.

Obviously the NFL players are trying to fix things. That's the whole point. They don't want black folks murdered, and they don't want a President who calls them "sons a bitches" and "going to hell" for trying to save black lives. But the racist Deplorables want black folks to shut up.

[Bham1982]

This isn't about Hillary, the election was almost a year ago. This is about the performance of our current president and his administration [[e.g. Price, Mnuchin).

To the Trump cult, it will always be about Hillary and Obama.

Trump could nuke the planet, our families and communities could be eviscerated, and the remaining Trump cultists would undoubtedly still be "but what about the emails" and "but where's Obama's birth certificate".

[Zozo]

To the Trump cult, it will always be about Hillary and Obama.

Trump could nuke the planet, our families and communities could be eviscerated, and the remaining Trump cultists would undoubtedly still be "but what about the emails" and "but where's Obama's birth certificate".

A nuked planet and someone is out there still wondering about Obama's birth certificate? That's obviously not true. You are a liar.

[Bham1982]

A nuked planet and someone is out there still wondering about Obama's birth certificate? That's obviously not true. You are a liar.

Your Trump cult response is just perfect. You call someone a "liar" for making a prediction about a possible future event; which obviously, by definition, cannot be a lie.

Most [[not all) Trump cultists are either racist or have extreme cognitive limitations. This thread is Exhibit A.

[Honky Tonk]

Your Trump cult response is just perfect. You call someone a "liar" for making a prediction about a possible future event; which obviously, by definition, cannot be a lie.

Most [[not all) Trump cultists are either racist or have extreme cognitive limitations. This thread is Exhibit A.

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[Wesley Mouch]

Wait, did someone seriously suggest that today is worse than the 1950s, an era where lynchings, segregation and calling people the n-word was all legal and socially acceptable? Give me a break!

That's exactly why sane people hate SJWs. They do nothing but divide and conquer using the most obscure and ridiculous arguments.

And you never see these SJWs engage in a dialogue or protest in favor of things that will go a lot further to help those who are disadvantaged, such as single-payer healthcare, free college or a living wage.

Yep. The 50s were inferred to have been 'wonderful'.

Police brutality towards minorities is a valid issue.

The solution is not to demonize those who don't agree with you. Trump isn't right to attack Kaepernick, as much as I disagree with K's actions [[while respectful of his stated motives.) SJW's are are not helping by attacking anyone not 100% with them as 'racist'.

I think we've made a lot of progress. The racial-harmony glass is 90% full. Let's get the last 10% on board. Calling them names just stokes their resentment.

Kid Rock might not be respectful in his words and manners and choice of symbols. But he seems like a decent guy who gets issues of racism. He probably could end up helping race relations with a little change on his part. Going 'nuclear' on his widens the divide. Just like Trump. Henderson = Trump here.

[Zozo]

Your Trump cult response is just perfect. You call someone a "liar" for making a prediction about a possible future event; which obviously, by definition, cannot be a lie.

Most [[not all) Trump cultists are either racist or have extreme cognitive limitations. This thread is Exhibit A.

That's like saying maybe pigs will fly to the moon one day. Pigs don't have wings now, and there's no oxygen on the moon, but maybe one day there will be. So if I predict pigs might actually fly to the moon because we cannot know the future, I'm being forthcoming and arguing in good faith?

Your proposal is just as ridiculous. There is zero possibility after the future event you described, a nuclear war, that any surviving human would be thinking about Obama and e-mails. For you to pass this bit of unreality off as an actual possibility [[obviously to smear an entire group of people you admittedly dislike) is dishonest.

[Bham1982]

That's like saying maybe pigs will fly to the moon one day. Pigs don't have wings now, and there's no oxygen on the moon, but maybe one day there will be.

No, actually it's nothing like that, at all.

Pigs cannot fly. It's physically impossible. Cult members will follow their leader regardless of circumstances. There are absolutely no physical limitations to cult devotion.

Even Trump has bragged he could murder people, and his cultists wouldn't care. He was likely right. I hope he's removed before he has the chance to prove his boast.