Hudson's Site Building Thread

Nero · December-14-17, 11:40 AM

Nero thinks Sir Dan Gilbert and his band of merry folk do not understand how economic bubbles work. Be forewarned Dan Gilbert! For your lofty towers have hubris. All will end in capriccios contrition and disquietudes.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...oom/711801001/

**hybridy** · December-14-17, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Nero

Nero thinks Sir Dan Gilbert and his band of merry folk do not understand how economic bubbles work. Be forewarned Dan Gilbert! For your lofty towers have hubris. All will end in capriccios contrition and disquietudes.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...oom/711801001/

No worries! Us taxpayers will fund the bailout

**EGrant** · December-14-17, 12:02 PM

Interesting that the renderings have changed once again.

**canuck** · December-14-17, 12:21 PM

I like it.

**MrMichigan** · December-14-17, 02:19 PM

Good looks UV ^^. Hope the QLine gets its own lane.

**Uncledave54** · December-14-17, 02:57 PM

Perhaps I've missed it, but have they announced a name yet?

I think the Hudsons name should somehow be included in it .

**401don** · December-14-17, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Uncledave54

Perhaps I've missed it, but have they announced a name yet?

I think the Hudsons name should somehow be included in it .

Gilbert said today they're holding off on a name until they know what corporate tenants will be there, i.e. in case someone takes up enough space to warrant their name as part of the building, but that he would like to see the Hudson name as part of it.

**Uncledave54** · December-14-17, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

Gilbert said today they're holding off on a name until they know what corporate tenants will be there, i.e. in case someone takes up enough space to warrant their name as part of the building, but that he would like to see the Hudson name as part of it.

Thanks for the info.

**SpartanDawg** · December-14-17, 06:04 PM

Also Gilbert did note today according to Detroit News that there have been about 4 brand name companies that people know that have expressed high interest in leasing the majority of the office space, can't wait to see who gets it

**southen** · December-14-17, 06:11 PM

The video appears to be a tad bit dated since the Hudson's Block building appears to represent the last batch of renderings as opposed to todays. You can also see some of the new construction for Monroe Block but my favorite little egg was the now defunct MLS plans for the fail jail.

You can see the stadium and corresponding towers in the top of the attached image. Sort of glad they won't be going with it. What I like about Hudson/Monroe is how they have broken up the blocks with the pedestrian in mind. Fail Jail looks like a super block which would have sucked.

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**SpartanDawg** · December-14-17, 06:31 PM

I agree southen, kind of glad they're not just plopping down another stadium super block as well. I hope they also break up the fail jail site with whatever bedrock decides to put on it. They've had a tremendous track record so far with pedestrian activation so I would imagine it will be done with that in mind.

**Gistok** · December-14-17, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanDawg

I agree southen, kind of glad they're not just plopping down another stadium super block as well. I hope they also break up the fail jail site with whatever bedrock decides to put on it. They've had a tremendous track record so far with pedestrian activation so I would imagine it will be done with that in mind.

It could end up as a new JACK CASINO... since the hotel and parking structure are just south of that site. I don't think that Dan Gilbert is happy with a 25% slice of the Detroit Casino pie at the Greektown site. He might build a new casino on the fail jail site, not sure if it requires 100% of the site.. but a decent portion of it, if he does indeed intend to build there. He would likely redevelop the old casino as other entertainments/retail. I think that former Trappers Alley is wasted as just a closed off entrance vestibule to the casino... although somethng other than the former festive marketplace concept would have to be found.

**Danny** · December-15-17, 07:26 AM

GILBERT TOWER!!! It's got a nice ring to it. Gilberttown Detroit's first tallest skyscraper on 40 years. This will show the world that Detroit is alive and will. This is the true renaissance.

**313WX** · December-14-17, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanDawg

Also Gilbert did note today according to Detroit News that there have been about 4 brand name companies that people know that have expressed high interest in leasing the majority of the office space, can't wait to see who gets it

I hope one of them is Flagstar. That would be a major coup.

**SammyS** · December-14-17, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Nero

Nero thinks Sir Dan Gilbert and his band of merry folk do not understand how economic bubbles work. Be forewarned Dan Gilbert! For your lofty towers have hubris. All will end in capriccios contrition and disquietudes.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...oom/711801001/

When you have billions to throw into an all but dead city, you can exercise superstition and anecdotes.

**RaumVogel** · December-14-17, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by SammyS

When you have billions to throw into an all but dead city, you can exercise superstition and anecdotes.

Agreed..and..They could have left the old rock solid Hudson's building and built this somewhere else.

**SammyS** · December-14-17, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

gilbert said today they're holding off on a name until they know what corporate tenants will be there, i.e. In case someone takes up enough space to warrant their name as part of the building, but that he would like to see the hudson name as part of it.

Amazon Tower

**Mind field** · December-14-17, 07:41 PM

Go back to the drawing boards. This isn't unique or iconic. It doesn't stir the soul.

**mikeg19** · December-15-17, 08:25 AM

Looking at the last picture, it almost appears that the public lookout on top of the building is cantilevered out over nothing. I'm wondering if this will be some sort of glass floor attraction like Willis Tower or that overlook at the Grand Canyon.

**EGrant** · December-15-17, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by mikeg19

Looking at the last picture, it almost appears that the public lookout on top of the building is cantilevered out over nothing. I'm wondering if this will be some sort of glass floor attraction like Willis Tower or that overlook at the Grand Canyon.

You can see the overhang in this VR thing: https://sphcst.com/wisqu

**hybridy** · December-15-17, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by mikeg19

Looking at the last picture, it almost appears that the public lookout on top of the building is cantilevered out over nothing. I'm wondering if this will be some sort of glass floor attraction like Willis Tower or that overlook at the Grand Canyon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peop...d-walkway.html

**mikehamm45** · December-15-17, 09:59 AM

read they wanted a city within a city... how did that work out for the rencen

**bust** · December-15-17, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by mikehamm45

read they wanted a city within a city... how did that work out for the rencen

Jose Saramago wrote an excellent novel about a place like that too.

Review of Jose Saramago's "The Cave"
http://yalereviewofbooks.com/the-cav...-paige-austin/

**SammyS** · December-15-17, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by SpartanDawg

Huh? of all the skyscrapers downtown yes the penobscot is at 50%, that's due to a garbage landlord owner.

Class A office space is at 90-100% leased. The book and stott are undergoing renovations as we speak. There are no truly abandoned skyscrapers in downtown anymore

Thank you.