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    Military Vets Get Real About Removing Trump From Office If He Refuses To Leave
    Army Vets penned a letter to the Joint Chiefs instructing them to be ready to remove Trump from office if he refuses to leave the office.

    "John Nagl, a retired Army officer, and Paul Yingling, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, penned an open letter to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley — warning him that President Donald Trump might refuse to leave office in November and that the U.S. military must be prepared to remove him.

    Nagl and Yingling pointed out that because of Trump’s history in office and “a dangerous confluence of circumstances,” the 45th president may attempt to stay in office past his term, noting that Milley will have to make a choice come November.

    “We do not live in ordinary times. The President of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution,” they wrote. “In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    I like how you said that DW...... The flip-flop, either-or is a bit tiresome where if you're for Trump, Biden is the embodiment of evil vs. Trump is embodiment of all evil and Biden is without flaw......

    In the end people will cast their vote privately in directions state or unstated, anyway. And the reality stands that both candidates are pretty bad.

    This is a nice day for a drive... or visit to Belle Isle after work.
    I so miss Belle Isle I spent many many days and nights there. As an east sider we would bike, bus, walk and bum rides to get there as a kid. I grew up with the river as a place to escape to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bust View Post
    Antifa is the bogeyman your manipulators decry to control you.
    The equal and opposite reaction you so easily imagine.
    BLM is a force you've been manipulated to misunderstand.
    Obvious, except to the deluded.
    The war you're fooled to believe is yours.
    In Madison WI where I live, BLM and its white antifa parasites have been a net negative. Madison's showcase State Street connecting the University and Capitol is still largely boarded up although the City paid some money to have bright pictures painted on the plywood making State Street look like a Disney version of Detroit. On June 24, a BLM protest, that's what the WI State Journal called it, attacked and demolished a feminist and abolitionist stature on the grounds of the State Capitol. This process went on for four hours while our Democratic Governor and Mayor had a good night's sleep. Since the destruction, our competent police chief quit and violent crimes have surged. When I voted on Tuesday, there were a number of police and rescue vehicles a couple of blocks ahead. It turned out to be some 13 years olds who stole a car and then involved it in a head on collision. An 11 year old black girl was shot in the head in a crossfire a couple of days ago. This is change.

    Those are the changes that I see that antfa, BLM, and our Democratic elected officials have brought to Madison since BLM showed up. I'm good with ending police excesses which BLM supports but otherwise the Marxist led organization, where the donations go, known as BLM Global Network and its leftist antifa anarchist companions have seemingly brought violence and destruction to Madison.

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    Donald Trump went on Fox News yesterday and claimed that AOC was a "poor student" in college and not intelligent.

    AOC responded by saying that she'll release her college transcripts if Trump will release his, so the public can see which one of them had a higher GPA.

    Raise your hand if you think Trump will take her up on her offer to prove his own statement correct.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...l-release-mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    ...Raise your hand if you think Trump will take her up on her offer....
    He will, but it'll be forged. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    He will, but it'll be forged. LOL!
    It'll be a dead giveaway when he releases a transcript showing all "A+++'s" and a GPA over 4.0. Nobody's ever seen grades that big! Bigly smart!

    Kind of like how he had himself photoshopped onto the cover of Time Magazine and then had the fake magazine cover framed and hung up at his resorts.

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    Biden's camp is hoping Trump's grades are low,.. so they can claim Trump is only 2x as smart as Joe was instead of 4x.

    They could then say,... "See,... Biden wouldn't be THAT massive of a downgrade".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdd View Post
    Biden's camp is hoping Trump's grades are low,.. so they can claim Trump is only 2x as smart as Joe was instead of 4x.

    They could then say,... "See,... Biden wouldn't be THAT massive of a downgrade".
    AOC called his bluff. If Trump is such a genius, he should release his college transcripts so that AOC would have to release hers. Then he can brag to the world with proof in hand that not only is he smart, but he's way smarter than AOC.

    Trump should release his transcripts. Don't you agree? Here's his chance to prove a claim. I mean, he wouldn't be lying about any of that, would he?

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    Reporter ask Trump about his 3 1/2 years of lying at today's coronavirus "rally". Second video. Finally, someone called him out. The guy needs to go.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1294033254174150658
    Last edited by Maof; August-13-20 at 06:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maof View Post
    Reporter ask Trump about his 3 1/2 years of lying at today's coronavirus "rally"....
    At long last the house of cards is starting to crumble.

    Quick! Somebody hide the nuclear football!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    At long last the house of cards is starting to crumble.

    Quick! Somebody hide the nuclear football!
    I guess he didn't hear the question? hahahaha. But wait, he'll come up with something and reveal his answer on Fox and Friends in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    At long last the house of cards is starting to crumble.

    Or not.

    The last time around Hillary was supposedly up 9+ points,.. and lost.

    Because of all the irrational lunacy and violence from the left recently, conservatives are even more afraid to answer polls than usual, so the gap between polls and votes is expected to be even bigger than it was in '16.

    And Biden''s alleged lead is slipping,... from 9 points to what is it now? 7?

    I think he's gonna get crushed.

    They don't call him Mr. 1% for nothing [[As in getting just 1% of the votes).

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    Trump now pushing racist Birther conspiracy theory about Kamala Harris...who was born in the state of California and is a natural-born citizen.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/13/90236...is?ft=nprml&f=

    President Trump stoked a controversial theory being promoted by supporters — and his campaign — that Sen. Kamala Harris of California is not eligible for the vice presidency.

    The Democrat was born in California and therefore qualifies for the job.


    Trump, who led a "birther" conspiracy movement against former President Barack Obama, told reporters Thursday that he heard a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" opine that Harris didn't qualify to serve as vice president but did not know if it were true or not. Trump was responding to a question and was referring to a Newsweek opinion piece by law professor John Eastman inaccurately calling into question Harris' eligibility.
    In all of American history, only two people of color have ever been included on a major party ticket for President/VP...and now Trump has insinuated that both of those people may not truly be "American."

    At what point will you all stop denying that this man is an out and proud racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    Trump now pushing racist Birther conspiracy theory about Kamala Harris...who was born in the state of California and is a natural-born citizen.


    In all of American history, only two people of color have ever been included on a major party ticket for President/VP...and now Trump has insinuated that both of those people may not truly be "American."

    Being born here isn't enough to make you "Natural Born". It just makes you a citizen.

    Kamala doesn't appear to be Natural Born. It is up for a bit of debate of course, as the Constitution doesn't clearly define the term. Some states do define it however. The consensus among legal scholars is "that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States, with at least one natural born parent. "

    Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth, natural born or otherwise,.. so she would be a citizen, but not a Natural Born one.

    Best we can tell.

    You can throw around terms like birthers and racists,.. but you do that just to run from any discussion of the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdd View Post
    Being born here isn't enough to make you "Natural Born". It just makes you a citizen.

    Kamala doesn't appear to be Natural Born. It is up for a bit of debate of course, as the Constitution doesn't clearly define the term. Some states do define it however. The consensus among legal scholars is "that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States, with at least one natural born parent. "

    Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth, natural born or otherwise,.. so she would be a citizen, but not a Natural Born one.

    Best we can tell.

    You can throw around terms like birthers and racists,.. but you do that just to run from any discussion of the facts.
    You would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdd View Post
    Being born here isn't enough to make you "Natural Born". It just makes you a citizen.

    Kamala doesn't appear to be Natural Born.
    According to who? You? What's your legal basis for saying that? Because the courts have ruled otherwise...

    In 2009 in Ankeny v. Governor,[62] the Indiana Court of Appeals reaffirmed that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens", regardless of the citizenship of their parents. The court referred to the case of Wong Kim Ark, and provides a compilation of the arguments pertaining to this topic.A clarification to this interpretation was made in 2010, where a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held that natural born citizens can lose their citizenship if their territory of birth later ceases to be U.S. territory. The case involved a Philippine-born litigant who could not claim U.S. citizenship on the basis of his parents, who lived all their lives in the Philippines, because they were born while the Philippines was U.S. territory prior to being given its independence. The Courts for the Second, Third, and Ninth Circuits have also held that birth in the Philippines at a time when the country was a territory of the United States does not constitute birth "in the United States" under the Citizenship Clause, and thus did not give rise to United States citizenship.[63]
    In a 2012 New York case, Strunk v. N.Y. State Board of Elections,[4] the pro se plaintiff challenged Barack Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents" [[emphasis added). To this the Court responded, "Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. ... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil". The opinion then listed Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover.[4]
    She was born on American soil. She is natural-born. I'll throw around whatever terms I like because they are 100% accurate. Cry about it if it bothers you, I don't care.

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    From the Harvard Law Review:

    "“natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time."

    See also the Cornell Legal Information Institute.

    Kamala Harris was born in Oakland and therefore has been a citizen since birth and never later needed to become naturalized. She is therefore a natural born Citizen, not a naturalized Citizen. She is eligible to become President.

    The only legitimate question about eligibility has concerned US Citizens who were born abroad. [[By legitimate I mean a question debated by actual experts of Constitutional law.)

    Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a US Citizen mother and a Canadian father, and faced this question. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to US citizen parents and did too.

    Fact check: Kamala Harris is a natural-born U.S. citizen and eligible to serve as president
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nt/3344836001/
    Last edited by bust; August-13-20 at 10:09 PM.

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    One can also be born OUTSIDE of the US and be natural born if they are born on a US Military base or in a US Embassy, which are extensions of US soil

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    According to who? You? What's your legal basis for saying that? Because the courts have ruled otherwise...
    Not sure you read those. They don't say what you just claimed they do. The Philippine one was talking about citizenship, not the nat born variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdd View Post
    Not sure you read those. They don't say what you just claimed they do. The Philippine one was talking about citizenship, not the nat born variety.
    It is exceptionally clear that he has read them. Your comment makes it abundantly clear that you either a) did not read them or b) lack the intellect to comprehend what you read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    It is exceptionally clear that he has read them. Your comment makes it abundantly clear that you either a) did not read them or b) lack the intellect to comprehend what you read.
    He got his law degree from Trump University. Same place he got his Epidemiology degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    It is exceptionally clear that he has read them. Your comment makes it abundantly clear that you either a) did not read them or b) lack the intellect to comprehend what you read.

    The conclusions in the article aren't supported by the links they themselves reference.


    As an example,.. they state in the article that,..

    " United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. "

    But if you bother to open the link,.. the case doesn't say that at all. Instead it says this,... [[The conclusion at the very end)
    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/169/649/

    The court ordered Wong Kim Ark to be discharged, upon the ground that he was a citizen of the United States. 1 Fed.Rep. 382. The United States appealed to this court, and the appellee was admitted to bail pending the appeal.

    Notice it says the court concluded that Wong Kim Ark was a CITIZEN,.. and never declares him a Natural Born Citizen.

    You can't just read the headlines.


    And the Harvard Law Review is just a newspaper written by students,.. it's not a court of law. And that last link is just silly. A phony Fact Check by an anonymous writer at the Socialist rag USA today. Hardly a source of news, let alone a court of law.

    This is a matter for the courts to decide.

    That said,.. it's not an issue at the moment. Sen Harris is a dream opponent for anyone.

    But this sort of thing DOES need to be decided at some point. It's come up a lot lately.
    Last edited by Bigdd; August-15-20 at 09:34 PM.

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    This writer gets it. A well written treatise on the Donald phenomenon. At least from my point of view.
    The monkey wrench, the hand grenade, tossed into the system, just because...
    https://medium.com/@wiredgourmet/why...n-23e56ccff95b

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    The GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee released their final report on Russian interference in the 2016 election and it has unearthed even more Trump-Russia connections than we were aware of from the Mueller Report.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...-russia-report

    Among the new findings:
    -Donald Trump's Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was OPENLY working with Russian Intelligence and even feeding them insider info from the Trump Campaign. The report labeled Manafort's collusion with Russian intelligence to be, and this is a direct quote, "a grave counterintelligence threat.”

    -The Trump Campaign used Roger Stone as an intermediary with Wikileaks to keep their hands clean. Stone would communicate to the Trump Campaign to give them a heads up in advance when Wikileaks would publish Russian-hacked information that was damaging to Hillary Clinton.

    -Donald Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, Steve Bannon, Erik Prince and others gave "misleading testimony" under oath before the Senate Intelligence Committee [[i.e. they committed perjury to hide their crimes). It was bad enough that the GOP-controlled committee referred these individuals to the Justice Department for criminal investigation into perjury. You can guess what Bill Barr did with that referral.

    Good news for the Cultists though, the report found no conclusive evidence that tied Donald Trump directly to the Russian efforts to interfere on his behalf, so you can crow about that if you like. For me, the takeaway here is that if Joe Biden gets elected, then his new Attorney General Preet Bharara can pick up that criminal referral from the Senate and charge Trump Jr and Kushner and the rest with felony counts of lying under oath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Wesson View Post
    This writer gets it. A well written treatise on the Donald phenomenon. At least from my point of view.
    The monkey wrench, the hand grenade, tossed into the system, just because...
    https://medium.com/@wiredgourmet/why...n-23e56ccff95b

    Thanx for the post. I read the whole thing and totally agree, he hits the nail on the head.

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