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[Bham1982]

Oh? and what felony with regards to colluding with Russians did Trump commit? I thought I did a pretty good job of linking Trump to Mr. Rivera after you claimed that "Trump cultists" had "derailed" this thread about Trump with references to the Tibbets' murder.
Sorry, but the unemployment level wasn't 4%, and as low as 3.8%, under Obama with record levels of employment. You are making stuff up now. Then, in desperation, you obfuscate with references to 'Kenyan primate' and 'Hannity/RT/Infowars' . The adage is that when anyone loses a discussion, they bring up racism or Hitler although, I suppose, neo-McCarthyite references [[RT) will suffice for the latter..

Since my last post, I came up with an AP article about your "immigrant" you mentioned "who may or may not be legal". This is laughable in sort of a macabre sort of way.

When Rivera was hired in 2014, he presented an out-of-state government-issued photo identification and a matching Social Security card, Lang said. That information was run through the Social Security Administration's employment-verification system and checked out, he said.
Rivera's defense attorney, Allan Richards, acknowledged Wednesday that his client received his paycheck under a different name and that he was uncertain of his immigration status. He said he was prepared to argue that his client was in the country legally, noting that he came to the U.S. as a minor* and had worked and paid taxes for years.

* a dreamer?

This entire post is 1000% contrived nonsense. Basically every sentence a complete lie.

Not worth a response, except to say you REALLY need to tune into "normal" news. You're living in a fantasy bubble, and haven't the slightest clue of actual reality. Trump will be in prison and you won't realize it till six months later.

[Richard]

I always get a kick out of people that post.

Your post is not worth a response,while responding.

[Bong-Man]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-politics.html

I must admit Jeff's response puts me in a bit of a quagmire, although it's nice to know he's got a pair. I'm going to have to support the lesser of two evils, and back Beauregard in this instance. Considering his 1950's stance on weed legalization...that's not an easy thing to admit. You see Jeff has always been seen by his peers as a guy outside the box. He's championed some strange things that cause most of his peers from both sides of the aisle to roll their eyes. He's never really been taken seriously by anybody until the Trump era. However regardless of his political stances, you will rarely hear anyone on either side say he isn't an honorable man. It's an interesting problem for our President, who you know is just dying inside to make an internal move somewhere. Say what you will, but we all know it's not in his nature to lay low when others are on the attack.

[TKshreve]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-politics.html

I must admit Jeff's response puts me in a bit of a quagmire, although it's nice to know he's got a pair. I'm going to have to support the lesser of two evils, and back Beauregard in this instance. Considering his 1950's stance on weed legalization...that's not an easy thing to admit. You see Jeff has always been seen by his peers as a guy outside the box. He's championed some strange things that cause most of his peers from both sides of the aisle to roll their eyes. He's never really been taken seriously by anybody until the Trump era. However regardless of his political stances, you will rarely hear anyone on either side say he isn't an honorable man. It's an interesting problem for our President, who you know is just dying inside to make an internal move somewhere. Say what you will, but we all know it's not in his nature to lay low when others are on the attack.

Good points. I fully expect DJT to flail and temper tweet the entire way down. Rats are jumping the ship now. Session's has remained pretty quiet until today, while DJT has been berating him on social media without remorse.

Soon enough Trump will have no one left to attack. But his narcissistic personality will not allow him to fade quietly into the night. He will go down swinging his baby hands at every single rat he brought onto the ship. He hires the best people, remember? He's going to 'drain the swamp', remember?

I knew right there when he walked that silly mantra out that it was only going to be more of the same. He surrounded himself with corporate millionaires, who went on to further embed the crony-capitalist agenda that's choking this country [[and its middle class) out of any remaining dignity.

I never thought I'd see an impeached president in my lifetime. Now that I think about it, I never really considered the reality of it. But you just know Trump has to much self-stroked pride to simply resign and walk away. He's too ignorant and uneducated to do so anyway. So gear up and watch this house of cards come buring to the ground. If anything, DJT will take as many of his right wing thugs down with him as he can. WINNING!

[Honky Tonk]

I never thought I'd see an impeached president in my lifetime.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were under 20 years old. There was a President named "Bill Clinton" that was impeached while in office.

[Bong-Man]

^ ^

I still believe that as much as America claims to dislike gridlock, the mainstream will inadvertently vote for it every time. Reason being, the average American doesn't trust either party. I think most people believe that having Republicans in charge of the Senate, House, and Executive branch is too much power in the hands of one party. Throw in Trump's style points, and that belief gets tipped even further over the edge. The Dems need to capture the House in November. However I have to agree with Oladub...we would all be better off as a nation if Trump lost the 2020 election as opposed to being removed from office. The demographics still suggest it's not necessary to change anyone's mind for the Dems to win....just get a decent candidate and show up at the polls !!

[Richard]

Sorry, I didn't realize you were under 20 years old. There was a President named "Bill Clinton" that was impeached while in office.

Lol,that explains a lot.

Clinton was impeached 1998.

Maybe he or she shares hits with bong man?

[Richard]

^ ^

I still believe that as much as America claims to dislike gridlock, the mainstream will inadvertently vote for it every time. Reason being, the average American doesn't trust either party. I think most people believe that having Republicans in charge of the Senate, House, and Executive branch is too much power in the hands of one party. Throw in Trump's style points, and that belief gets tipped even further over the edge. The Dems need to capture the House in November. However I have to agree with Oladub...we would all be better off as a nation if Trump lost the 2020 election as opposed to being removed from office. The demographics still suggest it's not necessary to change anyone's mind for the Dems to win....just get a decent candidate and show up at the polls !!

Trump was always in the past a self proclaimed Democrat and he started this run as an independent with the whole drain the swamp,which would include democrats and republicans.

I think the two parties decided that it was only going to be a democrat or a Republican in the race,the DNC threw Bernie under the bus and the republicans latched onto Trump.

They both knew from the start that it was only going to be Hillary and Trump,the others dropped out without a fight.

But everybody looked at the Russians as a distraction instead of it was two people selected for you,pick one. Which was a worse manipulation?

The House of Representatives needs to do an impeachment,right now it is republican majority,to even attempt it the Dems need to lose nobody during the mid terms from the 168 plus pull another 58 seats from the republican side.

It has happened in the past and that is the whole reason for the mid terms as you say to have a balance of power,but yet in today’s world everything is a powder keg,the problem to me anyways,is that the Democratic Party has spent so much time being anti Trump that they have not rebuilt a shattered party and reorganized.

Now throw in the socialist party which is going to pull more votes away from the democrats,they are going to have a tough time hanging on to what they have,let alone pick up another 58 seats.

In most cases I would say that it is not good to take away that balence of power protections,but considering the behavior of the party in the past couple of years it may be a chance that we need to take,given no other choice.

[oladub]

It goes without saying that Trump cult rantings are nonsensical, but this is especially comically false.

The Right excoriated Obama for NOT getting involved in Libya and Syria. Trump, since assuming office, has massively ramped up U.S. military involvement in the ME.

I also like the "millions of desperate refugees" comment. Undoubtedly genuine. Trump cultists are known for embracing third-world refugees hence their support for the Muslim ban, the removal of refugee children from their parents, and the cutting of U.S. refugee flows to basically 0.

All you have to do is show that I supported Republicans and Democrats who supported McCain, the Iraq War, overthrowing Libya, or attempted to overthrow Assad. You should stop making things up. Trump did ramp up some operations in Syria. He is guilty of killing over 40 in one air strike there. I did post that if anyone intent on impeaching Trump should go after him for that instead of the Russia garbage. However, since Democrats have difficulty with proportion, Obama's presidency is guilty of thousands of times more deaths just in Syria.

You misunderstood [[intentionally?) my Syrian refugee comment. Yes they are desperate but my point was they were the creation of Obama's stupid foreign policy. Presidents should stop conducting executive ordered wars to stop creating refugees. As Syria liberates towns from ISIS, refugees should be retuned home to help rebuild their country instead of living on European or Canadian welfare. Hillary wanted to double the number of her refugees from the number Obama brought in. Regarding Trump's refugee numbers: Obama brought in 85,000 refugees in 2016, Trump brought in 54,000 in 2017, and set a ceiling of 45,000 in 2018. It's sadistic to create refugees and then feel all sorry for the refugees you created. If you feel sorry for refugees, quit voting for people who create refugees.

[canuck]

The origin of Chump's talking points regarding the draining of swamps may be found in the handbook of dictators worldwide. Putin and all the other bullshit artists with an army of propagandists spend more resources degrading their institutions and opponents in order to grow a swamp they claim is a rose garden.

Chump is now saying that his destitution would be an economic calamity for the US. That's how important he thinks he is.

I love Chump, but he really needs to go back to building failing hotels and casinos.

[Honky Tonk]

The origin of Chump's talking points regarding the draining of swamps may be found in the handbook of dictators worldwide. Putin and all the other bullshit artists with an army of propagandists spend more resources degrading their institutions and opponents in order to grow a swamp they claim is a rose garden.

Chump is now saying that his destitution would be an economic calamity for the US. That's how important he thinks he is.

I love Chump, but he really needs to go back to building failing hotels and casinos.

I wish he were more like true-d'oh! and come up with clever phrases like "that's unacceptable"

[Honky Tonk]

This entire post is 1000% contrived nonsense. Basically every sentence a complete lie.

Not worth a response, except to say you REALLY need to tune into "normal" news. You're living in a fantasy bubble, and haven't the slightest clue of actual reality. Trump will be in prison and you won't realize it till six months later.

"When my big brother gets home then you'll see. He's bigger then you are, and plays on the varsity team. Then you're gonna get yours..."

[TKshreve]

Sorry, I didn't realize you were under 20 years old. There was a President named "Bill Clinton" that was impeached while in office.

From Wikipedia [[fake news):

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated in December 1998 by the House of Representatives and led to a trial in the Senate for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.^[1] These charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones. Clinton was subsequently acquitted of these charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.^[2] Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...f_Bill_Clinton

[Honky Tonk]

From Wikipedia [[fake news):



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...f_Bill_Clinton

From Wikipedia:

"As a result, four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; two passed, making Clinton the second president to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson in 1868"

Reading is fundamental...

[Richard]

The origin of Chump's talking points regarding the draining of swamps may be found in the handbook of dictators worldwide. Putin and all the other bullshit artists with an army of propagandists spend more resources degrading their institutions and opponents in order to grow a swamp they claim is a rose garden.

Chump is now saying that his destitution would be an economic calamity for the US. That's how important he thinks he is.

I love Chump, but he really needs to go back to building failing hotels and casinos.

The dictator handbook requires the rewrite of the countries constitution,the current president has been doing his job and supporting the constitution.

It has been the left that has been hell bent on rewriting it in order to appease thier beliefs,gun control down to the very definition of what legal is.

He enforces the laws on the books,the left wants to change them to suit thier agenda or pick and choose them.

The comment on the building of failing hotels and casinos is cute but inaccurate.

The hotels that he actually owns are highly successful,the casino that he owned was highly successful until he sold it and leased his name to the new owners.

He did not own it at the time it went bankrupt,if you research it,went bankrupt because the union demanded terms that were not profitable to the casino.

The union forced it into bankruptcy and cost everybody thier jobs,1300 jobs poof gone.

They were going to build a hotel here in Tampa Bay,it was going to be called Trump something or another,when it was shelved everybody blamed Trump when he had only leased his name rights and had nothing to do with the actual building or construction of.

It is fun to throw things out there though when somebody has an agenda,it does not have to be correct,it just needs to sound good.

How many people are willing to pay millions of dollars a year just for the use of the name ... Canuck

[canuck]

From Wikipedia:

"As a result, four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; two passed, making Clinton the second president to be impeached, after Andrew Johnson in 1868"

Reading is fundamental...

... to a thorough understanding... lol

The trial in the United States Senate began right after the seating of the 106th Congress, in which the Republican Party held 55 Senate seats. A two-thirds vote [[67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. 50 senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge. Clinton, like Johnson a century earlier, was acquitted on all charges.

[Honky Tonk]

... to a thorough understanding... lol

The trial in the United States Senate began right after the seating of the 106th Congress, in which the Republican Party held 55 Senate seats. A two-thirds vote [[67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. 50 senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge. Clinton, like Johnson a century earlier, was acquitted on all charges.

Maybe something lost in the language translation, eh?

Top of the 2nd paragraph...

https://www.quora.com/If-President-B...ave-the-office

[Richard]

Bill Clinton WAS impeached. The impeachment process is similiar to a Grand Jury in which the House stands as the jury and decides whether or not sufficient evidence of a high crime or misdemeanor is sufficent to turn it over to trial in the Senate. So yes Bill Clinton WAS impeached...but the Senate accquitted him so he was not ousted from office.

With the current president,it has not been proven that he committed a crime,if anything Cohen may have,even at that there is no evidence of an impeachable crime.

All that is happening with the witch hunt is trying to squeeze everybody that knows him in the hopes of finding something or anything.

Do people really think he got to where he is by being that stupid?

Do people really believe that they are going in front of a body of government where both democrats and republicans have paid out $17 million in sexual harassment claims and ask them to impeach the president because he may have contributed to his campaign to reimburse a payout that is not even illegal for a porn star?

You would have to hand down indictments for the entire US government,both democrats and republicans,good luck with hanging impeachment dreams on that.

[canuck]

Bill Clinton WAS impeached. The impeachment process is similiar to a Grand Jury in which the House stands as the jury and decides whether or not sufficient evidence of a high crime or misdemeanor is sufficent to turn it over to trial in the Senate. So yes Bill Clinton WAS impeached...but the Senate accquitted him so he was not ousted from office.

With the current president,it has not been proven that he committed a crime,if anything Cohen may have,even at that there is no evidence of an impeachable crime.

All that is happening with the witch hunt is trying to squeeze everybody that knows him in the hopes of finding something or anything.

Do people really think he got to where he is by being that stupid?

Do people really believe that they are going in front of a body of government where both democrats and republicans have paid out $17 million in sexual harassment claims and ask them to impeach the president because he may have contributed to his campaign to reimburse a payout that is not even illegal for a porn star?

You would have to hand down indictments for the entire US government,both democrats and republicans,good luck with hanging impeachment dreams on that.

You are absolutely right about the extent of the problem. Now, where does the swamp lie? Lotsalaffter.

[Richard]

^ in DC where it always has been and will always be no matter how much you try and drain it.

That is why some prefer less big government while others want the government to control every aspect of ones life down to underwear choice.

The south was called traitors when they pushed for less government intervention.Now people are seeing the results when big gov is far up ones nether regions.

The trick is in finding solid ground in the swamp so we do not drown.

[aj3647]

Lot's of stuff happening in the last 24 hours or so...

David Pecker, CEO of the National Enquirer and personal friend of Donald Trump, has been given immunity by federal prosecutors in the Michael Cohen investigation:

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/64149...-in-cohen-case

Pecker will spill the beans to federal prosecutors about "catch and kill" payments to Karen McDougal and possibly other women on behalf of Donald Trump. Pecker is said to have a safe full of damaging information about Donald Trump obtained via Catch & Kill.


Manhattan District Attorney is investigating the Trump Organization and two of its senior executives for their possibly illegal role in the Stormy Daniels payoff. Criminal charges being considered.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/polit...ion/index.html


Longtime Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg is granted immunity by federal prosecutors to testify in the Michael Cohen campaign finance criminal investigation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/long...g-sources.html


Omarosa says she's "Ready to testify" in Trump impeachment proceedings:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-m...090004882.html

NY Attorney General's Office to open state-level criminal investigation into Michael Cohen:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-new-...michael-cohen/


Meanwhile, now that Michael Cohen has plead guilty, the Stormy Daniels civil suit will likely resume in the next few weeks [[the judge had previous put the case on hold pending the outcome of Michael Cohen's criminal investigation). Michael Avenatti has already signaled his intent to subpoena Donald Trump to answer questions under oath in a deposition. As you recall, the Supreme Court unanimously decided back in the Clinton days that sitting Presidents are NOT immune from being deposed in civil suits. And, as you might also recall, Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for the offense of perjuring himself under oath in a civil suit.

The next few months are going to be FUN!

[oladub]

I noticed an article that claimed that Russia was slipping some anti-vaccine articles into our media. Maybe so. Of course, we all know that Trump colluded with Russia or, at least, that is what many Democrats believe and hope Mueller will prove one of these years. Meanwhile, much larger press distortions go on in plain sight. Our pretty much corporate and billionaire owned MSM, on one hand pumps out, for example, anti-Trump propaganda. 90% of MSM Trump coverage is consistently negative. On the other hand, social media corporations are censoring news and opinions.

Facebook Censors Articles from Conservative Outlets About Manafort, Cohen

Tech Companies Are Gathering For A Secret Meeting To Prepare A 2018 Election Strategy


Truthdig is even warning that the social media companies are beginning to censor some liberal voices, maybe liberal voices that aren't consistent with the corporatist, I would suggest Deep State, narrative. Deep State trumps progressive as some Democrats already figured out.

Facebook Also Censoring the Left Isn’t Just a Worry—It’s a Reality

MSM slanting of news coverage combined with social media censorship could alter the 2018 election but look the other way at Omarosa, Cohen, and Stormy. Pretty soon, we will have corporate loudspeakers at every corner, like in N. Korea, blaring official news.

[canuck]

Lot's of stuff happening in the last 24 hours or so...

David Pecker, CEO of the National Enquirer and personal friend of Donald Trump, has been given immunity by federal prosecutors in the Michael Cohen investigation:

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/64149...-in-cohen-case

Pecker will spill the beans to federal prosecutors about "catch and kill" payments to Karen McDougal and possibly other women on behalf of Donald Trump. Pecker is said to have a safe full of damaging information about Donald Trump obtained via Catch & Kill.


Manhattan District Attorney is investigating the Trump Organization and two of its senior executives for their possibly illegal role in the Stormy Daniels payoff. Criminal charges being considered.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/polit...ion/index.html


Longtime Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg is granted immunity by federal prosecutors to testify in the Michael Cohen campaign finance criminal investigation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/24/long...g-sources.html


Omarosa says she's "Ready to testify" in Trump impeachment proceedings:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-m...090004882.html

NY Attorney General's Office to open state-level criminal investigation into Michael Cohen:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-new-...michael-cohen/


Meanwhile, now that Michael Cohen has plead guilty, the Stormy Daniels civil suit will likely resume in the next few weeks [[the judge had previous put the case on hold pending the outcome of Michael Cohen's criminal investigation). Michael Avenatti has already signaled his intent to subpoena Donald Trump to answer questions under oath in a deposition. As you recall, the Supreme Court unanimously decided back in the Clinton days that sitting Presidents are NOT immune from being deposed in civil suits. And, as you might also recall, Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for the offense of perjuring himself under oath in a civil suit.

The next few months are going to be FUN!

I agree wholeheartedly. It will be fun for Chump to stand at the A&P checkout in Mar-A-Lago and see pictures of himself next to a three-headed baby from Mars and the latest Brangelina spat in the Enquirer. That and Pravda, Breitbart and Fox are the few media outlets with a kindly view of da President.

[Bham1982]

I always get a kick out of people that post.

Your post is not worth a response,while responding.

If someone has a long post that is 100% lies, I'm not gonna spend an hour detailing why every single sentence is obvious deranged nonsense.

If Russian trolls/gaslighters are desperate for a response, they should keep their propaganda short and I'll be happy to oblige. But not gonna respond to a Kremlin version of War and Peace.

[Bham1982]

"When my big brother gets home then you'll see. He's bigger then you are, and plays on the varsity team. Then you're gonna get yours..."

Bizarre and off topic, but sorta true. Mueller would be the "big brother" cleaning up the mess. Trump and his enablers will certainly get theirs.

But Trump cultists will never accept reality, long after Trump is dead or wasting away in federal prison.