Mr. Gilbert, How about a Christmas Present for Detroit?

[David L]

How about a final decision and rendering of the Hudson's block. We have been waiting for years.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

I think he's more interested in receiving a pre$ent than in giving one.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/bus...ment/94733034/

[ABetterDetroit]

I think he's more interested in receiving a pre$ent than in giving one.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/bus...ment/94733034/

I believe you are correct. Something in the 50 Million neighborhood is what he has in mind before the joyous celebration of groundbreaking.


“So it’s TIF generated stuff on real estate taxes, potentially sales taxes, and maybe part of the state income – so that’s the kind of things that’s an immediate, net tangible benefit to the state,” he told the UM audience.


I find it kind of funny how they are called "real estate taxes" when they are to be received but are always "property tax" when they need to be paid or assessed.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/bus...rock/94628514/

[1953]

All I want for Christmas is a Hudson's rendering
A Hudson's rendering
A Hudson's rendering
Gee, if I could only have a Hudson's rending
Then I could wish a Merry Christmas!

[Calltoaction]

The Monroe Block concept got me like...

Y'all got any more of them renderings?

[Junjie]

The Monroe Block concept got me like...

Y'all got any more of them renderings?

Ha, pretty much.

[1953]

LOL that's exactly how I feel. Development nerds...

[Richard]

I was under the impression that the original 200 plus million was the incentive to develop the Hudson block,or was it given to reserve to right to apply for future additional incentives.

Not debating whether he is good or bad for the city but it seems he took the incentives,and spent them buying up properties that were not in the original deal and now comes back for more?

[Calltoaction]

He can have all the tax incentives he wants, lets get this shit built.

[EGrant]

He can have all the tax incentives he wants, lets get this shit built.

Well that's a bit reckless haha

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

He can have all the tax incentives he wants, lets get this shit built.

Perhaps we should all contribute to a Go Fund Me account for him?

[Calltoaction]

Perhaps we should all contribute to a Go Fund Me account for him?

Good idea! We should also start a GoFundMe for the West Coast when the inevitable earthquakes and droughts destroy everything over there!

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Good idea! We should also start a GoFundMe for the West Coast when the inevitable earthquakes and droughts destroy everything over there!

You equate aiding victims of natural disasters with funneling tax dollars to billionaires to build their pet projects? That's quite a new spin on trickle up economics

[Calltoaction]

You equate aiding victims of natural disasters with funneling tax dollars to billionaires to build their pet projects? That's quite a new spin on trickle up economics

lol that's a funny way of interpreting what I said.

[Rock N Rye]

He can have all the tax incentives he wants, lets get this shit built.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ives/95091810/

Looks like we'll get the scaled down options for Hudson's and Monroe Block

[Atticus]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ives/95091810/

Looks like we'll get the scaled down options for Hudson's and Monroe Block

What more did you expect from the Michigan State House? Whether you agree with their politics or not, that particular half of the legislature has been notorious for not being able to accomplish anything, even come crunch time.

Despite one party having complete control, even they can't get their members to come together on anything. It is the same no-compromise attitude of the reps that prevents them from working together to accomplish anything positive.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

What more did you expect from the Michigan State House? Whether you agree with their politics or not, that particular half of the legislature has been notorious for not being able to accomplish anything, even come crunch time.

Despite one party having complete control, even they can't get their members to come together on anything. It is the same no-compromise attitude of the reps that prevents them from working together to accomplish anything positive.

Its hard for things to get accomplished when the dominant wing of the party in charge does not actually believe in the concept of governance

[Calltoaction]

LOL it's not over yet.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20161207/NEWS/161209878/gilbert-backed-brownfield-bills-die-in-lame-duck-session

Horn, chairman of the Senate's economic development committee, said he plans to work until the final day of lame-duck session to convince the full House to vote on the bills.
If it doesn't, he said, he plans to revisit them early in the new year.

[Rock N Rye]

LOL it's not over yet.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20161207/NEWS/161209878/gilbert-backed-brownfield-bills-die-in-lame-duck-session

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ayed/95125404/

Looks like we will likely have to wait even longer to hear the plans. Gilbert must be holding out hope that the bill passes early next year.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ayed/95125404/

Looks like we will likely have to wait even longer to hear the plans. Gilbert must be holding out hope that the bill passes early next year.

Are these the same GOP legislators that don't like to "pick winners and losers" but who outlawed Teslas's business model? I had to groan when the GOP hack made that "winners and losers" claim in the article

[ABetterDetroit]

I guess I have to ask. Are forum members prepared to let developers capture income taxes and sales taxes? Property tax credits seem to be a given. A cash payment not uncommon, those are given quickly and easily. But lets be honest, not paying sales and income taxes out of a given city block is different. A tax free zone for a building until X amount is in the developers pocket? That's a new ballgame. I would love to see Detroit's skyline change but is that the right price to pay for it?

http://www.freep.com/story/money/bus...rock/94628514/

[David L]

OK...Time to bombard the house with calls and letters telling them to pass the bills

[ABetterDetroit]

OK...Time to bombard the house with calls and letters telling them to pass the bills

Which bill?

The one where they were going to strip health benefits from firemen and police officers after years of service and promises in contracts

Or

The bill that wanted to give 250 million dollars a year to billionaire developers for 5 years to well, do what they were doing and develop?

[Bobl]

Which bill?

The one where they were going to strip health benefits from firemen and police officers after years of service and promises in contracts

Or

The bill that wanted to give 250 million dollars a year to billionaire developers for 5 years to well, do what they were doing and develop?

The best two questions of the day.

[MSUguy]

What I don't get is this is the same legislature that bends over backwards for Matty Maroun, but they just blow off Dan Gilbert. If you're going to do political favors seems like you help the one who wasn't an asshole slumlord.