Green Party rolling in the Green

[old guy]

In this day and age I don't see a problem with a recount. I doubt it will change the results, but it might shed some light on the election system if it is corrupt or not despite the party.

we're in a multi faceted system that seems to add a complexity to how we tally the votes

it might not be a case of voter fraud, but merely a case of an antiquated system that needs to be updated..

[oladub]

According to the Detroit News, over half of Detroit precincts my be ineligible for a recount.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...able/95007392/

[Honky Tonk]

Problems with votes in Detroit, who'd a thunk it? Once again the City's ineptitude shines like a beacon in the darkness.

[Dumpling]

Well, the started recount seems to be over. I do feel that I did get my money's
worth of everybody else's trouble. I do think that it probably has been shown
that there was no blatant hack of the election process but given that there
always will be some actors interested in a hack, preferably subtle but effective,
and hard to trace, the process should be given enough resources to ensure that
an election is comprehensive, inclusive and accurate. Giving my money to the
Green Party recount effort is more my vote for this rather than being upset
that Clinton lost or being in favor of the Green Party in the presidency.

I scrounged around on the Internet. The City of Detroit Elections Department
had been systematically defunded in the financial crisis leading up to the City
bankruptcy in my recollection. I found this item, I really don't know how good
the reporting is, I could have dredged up fake news for all I know. Sorry, please
set me straight if it needs to happen.

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/04/...detroit-2.html

In this article it was estimated that the funding for the 2012 election year
was much less than in previous years and specifies an amount of funding that
the city received which was less than the original fee Jill Stein had to pay for
the recount. To a certain extent, because of overall population loss in the city,
there did not need to be as much funding.

Before anyone decides that Janice Winfrey must go, they should review how
much money an election department should be getting to run a competent
presidential election, with every precinct being recountable, and determine if
the City of Detroit [[and other locations) were receiving this adequate amount.

[Bobl]

The recounts apparently showed that Pennsylvania, like Wisconsin, and also the results in Michigan would have changed the election to a Clinton victory if Ms Stein was not on the ballot. Ms Stein and her supporters succeeded in getting Trump elected. It is over now and it is hoped that President Trump will surprise doubters and change things for the better. One can hope.

[Honky Tonk]

The recounts apparently showed that Pennsylvania, like Wisconsin, and also the results in Michigan would have changed the election to a Clinton victory if Ms Stein was not on the ballot. Ms Stein and her supporters succeeded in getting Trump elected. It is over now and it is hoped that President Trump will surprise doubters and change things for the better. One can hope.

Maybe that's your lesson, Bobl, mine is different. If DEMS would've given the people who they wanted, namely Bernie Sanders, they could've been enjoying victory today. Instead they decided to play the people for fools and try to ram Mrs. Clinton up everyone's keister. People took exception to that, and it didn't work. The fact that you want to limit people's choices, [[eg. "you're just throwing your vote away"), scares me more then Trump in office. If we're going to continue to bill ourselves as a Democracy, then let's really strive to be one, and leave the story telling for camp fires.

[Bobl]

Honky Tonk, we are not a true democracy, we are a relatively democratic republic. In a democracy, the candidate with the the most votes would have won. My partner voted for Sanders in the primary. We both voted for Clinton after he endorsed her. Clinton lost after receiving nearly three million more votes than her opponent. It's over. I enjoy your posts. Write on!

[Dumpling]

This is a little bit off topic but I am putting it here for comparison purposes.
The funds raised by Stein for the recount came to between 7 and 10 million
dollars. The funds were composed of small good faith donations from people
who could be considered misguided by some others.

Not that I have a particular opinion one way or the other on the following case,
but apparently President Elect Trump is suing a restaurateur for ten million,
a comparable amount, for breaking a lease:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...suing-him.html

[Dumpling]

Here is the summary page from Jill Stein on the amount raised for
the recount and where the money went:

http://www.jill2016.com/fundraising_ends

[GMan]

Here is the summary page from Jill Stein on the amount raised for
the recount and where the money went:

http://www.jill2016.com/fundraising_ends

Thanks for the update on the funding expenditures. I look at the statement that it was done in good faith for american people with a grain of salt. It was done for political gain as this recount campaign put a spotlight on the Green party which is struggling to make a name for itself. Well thats politics....

[Richard]

Looks like a remake of the bankruptcy,the money went to the lawyers,consultants and administrative expenses.

In less then 60 days.

[Zacha341]

Looks like everyone got paid as expected.

[Dumpling]

Dredging this thread up again. If there was a subtle hack
of the election system for last year's presidential election it
looked like this:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/...2016-election/

The leaker was caught and faces jail time however.

[GMan]

Dredging this thread up again. If there was a subtle hack
of the election system for last year's presidential election it
looked like this:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/...2016-election/

The leaker was caught and faces jail time however.

Again, what's the story. That Russia attempts to influence elections??? Obama tried to influence the Israeli elections but failed. The Russians had no effect on the outcome of the US elections. The old power structure suffered a blow and we are seeing a new one being hastily assembled. Meanwhile the losers are whining like spoiled brats over the money they thought they would be getting from the US taxpayers.
IMHO

[Richard]

Dredging this thread up again. If there was a subtle hack
of the election system for last year's presidential election it
looked like this:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/...2016-election/

The leaker was caught and faces jail time however.

She is a traitor to this country,she posted on social media several times the whole Trump is not my president thing.

Her parents on the news said she was scared when arrested.

Tough,she is x Air Force that had a secret clearance while in service and was working for a branch of the NSA and was well aware that you do not divulge classified information.

I wonder what her Russian or foreign ties are and while she was in service did she also sell or give military secrets to foreign parties because her views did not match her politics.

I hope and think that if she is convicted and does prison time her citizenship needs to be revoked and deported.

[Dumpling]

First, let me post this Hillary Clinton clip from the Washington
Post. To be clear, I voted for Ms. Clinton. But to me, she WAS
a flawed candidate in several different ways, and I did NOT go
out asking other people to vote for Ms. Clinton. The following
is kind of indefensible:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.808a25dc41f7

Okay, a refresher on what might be the problem with Goldman
Sachs from the Detroit Yes archive:

https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...rehouses/page2

[Dumpling]

But President Trump has shown every bit as much of an
inclination as Ms. Clinton to take every amount of money
from every giver for any reason, with many donors such
as those connected with Russia not being advantageous
to the American Average Citizen.

[Dumpling]

Just so you Trump supporters know I am a sinner: I did think
Mr. Trump gave Mr. Bean a run for the Comedy Gold Medal with
his handshakes with foreign leaders - LOL'd at this video. I do
know that you identify with President Trump very, very much,
and nobody likes to be laughed at. There's incoming now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYqLxQW8c3g

[Dumpling]

Just as in the United States, Goldman Sachs and J P Morgan
Chase [[current bank for City of Detroit and Wayne County)
are big in Russia, so, best to suss out connections between
the bankers and the political leaders of the respective
countries before fanatically defending or attacking any one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#537854eb14be

[GMan]

Just as in the United States, Goldman Sachs and J P Morgan
Chase [[current bank for City of Detroit and Wayne County)
are big in Russia, so, best to suss out connections between
the bankers and the political leaders of the respective
countries before fanatically defending or attacking any one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#537854eb14be

Chase Bank was sued for its ties with Nazi Germany in WWII
No Suprise big banks are still in charge of the global market scheme. When you think of Paris Accord, think about money laundering.

[Dumpling]

This is the most recent consequence of Stein's recount request in Michigan:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/poli...age/802528001/

The amount that will be charged to recount a precinct in Michigan in the event that an election result is not extremely close is to be doubled.

[GMan]

Suprised that the bill didn't address an un-agrieved party from contesting the results at all. Forget doubling the costs. Just ban a non contender from demanding a recount.

[aj3647]

This is the most recent consequence of Stein's recount request in Michigan:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/poli...age/802528001/

The amount that will be charged to recount a precinct in Michigan in the event that an election result is not extremely close is to be doubled.

If those fees were in place last year, would it have deterred Jill Stein's efforts? She was able to crowdsource fundraise $4 million in just two days to pay for her recount efforts. She could have easily paid double the fee and then some.

Plus, is the goal here to ensure that there is no financial burden to the Michigan taxpayer to fund recount efforts, or to discourage recounts all-together? If the latter, doesn't that seem troubling to you? If it was a free and fair election, and there's no cost to the taxpayer, why shouldn't there be a recount if one is requested and 100% paid for by the campaign that requested it? Even if a recount does not change the result of a race, it still fosters increased transparency of our electoral process. And if problems are found as a result of the recount, those problems can be addressed to improve the process of the next election.

[313WX]

The entire recount debacle was stupid.

Election officials had already confirmed that it's virtually impossible to *HACK* voting machines. Only conspiracy theorists and Hillbots think otherwise, because they can't begin to come to terms with the idea that their candidate was simply too awful for enough Americans. Even the intelligence agencies who have been like dogs chasing their tails haven't found any evidence, after over a year of investigation, that voting machines were hacked [[because they weren't and virtually can't be).

Besides, there's no historical precedent of an election being successfully challenged with such a wide margin of 10,000 votes [[even the margin in Florida during the Bush-Gore election in 2000 was only 2,500 I believe).

EDIT: The fact that Jill Stein was able to raise so much money in such a short amount of time does raise eyebrows for any person who's thinking logically, considering how hard it's been for the Green Party to raise money for general campaign efforts. Not to mention, the effort was led by a individual who supposedly hates the Clintons [[Thus, why would you lead an effort that would help the Clintons?) and spit so much venom against them during the campaign.

[313WX]

This is the most recent consequence of Stein's recount request in Michigan:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/poli...age/802528001/

The amount that will be charged to recount a precinct in Michigan in the event that an election result is not extremely close is to be doubled.

What did you expect from a government that mass poisoned the citizens of one of its state's largest cities, forced the kids in the state's largest school district to attend mold-infested schools for years and completely usurped the will power of state voters by blatantly reimposing a law that was repealed via. referendum then subsequently making it virtually impossible for state voters to ever repeal a law or recall a politician via. referendum ever again?

The supporters of this so-called recount effort who claimed to be defending democracy have done the complete opposite, which is what I predicted at the time this crap was happening.

Thanks Jill and those who backed this debacle!