Trump's Upcoming Ruins Porn Tour of Detroit

[Hypestyles]

I guess we'll see how this visit goes to Great Faith Ministries Church. But the interview with Bishop Jackson won't be aired until a week or so later.

[Zacha341]

Yes I agree. It just diffuses your argument, position or challenge when the silly name calling and mockery starts. Just state the facts and let that be.

I don't like Hillary, but any time someone uses "Shillary", "Crooked Hillary" or "Killary" when trying to make a political argument i pretty much stop listening. People who love cute nicknames tend not to be the most objective people to debate with. It is right up there with people who love to argue via meme...

[Enduro]

Trump is desperate.

I think the party is desperate. I think Trump wants this to be over already. My speculation is he didn't predict he could win the primary and was too proud to quit by the time he realized it was too late. Now the party has to make lemonade as they realize fear of Trump could bring democrats and sane, peace loving people out in droves so they've made this Hail Mary pass to voters that, in Trump's words, "have nothing else to lose."

This "what have democrats done for you?" campaign seems to be the new GOP messaging. If you saw that nasty Tomi Lahren Kaepernick rant that's getting 50 million [[?!?) hits it clearly shifts from talking to the QB to talking to African Americans and goes into blaming Obama for the plight of the inner cities. Look for all the Fox News talking heads to follow suit.

This could Detroit visit coverage could get ugly fast and I hope the media does it's due diligence and gets the full story of what truly happened to cities like Detroit and Flint, warts and all. It would be a wonderful opportunity for some local news outlet to produce an award winning piece but I don't trust that will happen. There's more money in just pointing a camera at Trump.

[GMan]

I think the party is desperate. I think Trump wants this to be over already. My speculation is he didn't predict he could win the primary and was too proud to quit by the time he realized it was too late. Now the party has to make lemonade as they realize fear of Trump could bring democrats and sane, peace loving people out in droves so they've made this Hail Mary pass to voters that, in Trump's words, "have nothing else to lose."

This "what have democrats done for you?" campaign seems to be the new GOP messaging. If you saw that nasty Tomi Lahren Kaepernick rant that's getting 50 million [[?!?) hits it clearly shifts from talking to the QB to talking to African Americans and goes into blaming Obama for the plight of the inner cities. Look for all the Fox News talking heads to follow suit.

This could Detroit visit coverage could get ugly fast and I hope the media does it's due diligence and gets the full story of what truly happened to cities like Detroit and Flint, warts and all. It would be a wonderful opportunity for some local news outlet to produce an award winning piece but I don't trust that will happen. There's more money in just pointing a camera at Trump.

I love the speculation that his campaign is failing.
Trump is doing fine despite the Republicans lack of support. He's doing fine despite the media bias. He's doing fine despite being outspent by the Dem political machine. He's doing fine asking the valid questions he's asked.
The Eurocentrics said the same thing about the Brexit. But were suprised when the vote turned out the way it did.
Gee we'll allow you into a common market and tap into your GDP. All you have to do is accept a flood of migrants, overcrowded housing market. Increase in crime and lower standard of living Also give up your sovereignty. But hey, you'll be a member of the Euro Union.
No wonder the Brits saw through it.

[G-DDT]

I guess we'll see how this visit goes to Great Faith Ministries Church. But the interview with Bishop Jackson won't be aired until a week or so later.

The same "Bishop" Jackson who promotes emphasis on "seeking signs" [[as a perverse and crooked generation would) and pushes a "prosperity" based faith [[health 'n wealth hustling-very materialistic and contrary to scripture-especially the 6th chapter of 1 Timothy).

He got into a bit of controversy when he did a "consecration" ceremony that had him "dry humping" men back in 2013. Many won't let us forget about that.

One blog https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2...-sex-to-abuse/had a post by someone who [[also added a link to the "minister" Jack Schapp acting disorderly and going into a Tilton-esque masturbatory trance) who felt their posts on this were being actively removed by Jackson's ministry.

Seems Trump can only interact with ministers [[like the ridiculous New Apostolic Reformation that Palin has ties to) with a radical inability to control their words/actions as he seems to do.http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...-unnatural-sex However, of course, I've seen those within the popular Christian faith [[and far more within the quieter, humbler set-be it Catholic or Liberal Baptist) who have been quite outspoken against Trump and all he represents.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_D._Moore

[Zacha341]

^^^ 'Seeking signs' indeed!! I can't do that kind of church scene. Period.

That nonsense going on at that Schapp circus was so irritating I closed it after a few seconds! This is the kind of buffoonery perfected for use to mock Christianity -- assuming that this is going on at all churches.

I think I'll sit this whole thing out [[not that I intended to watch). Let Trump and 'em have it!

[G-DDT]

^^^^Pardon this digression from Detroit's Trump-o-rama.

I only now just found out about Jack Schaap , and now I'm kind of wishing I hadn't looked much further. I wasn't even going to expand further unless someone else zeroed in on it. I can't truly believe such a group exists. Screwy as Westboro is they were a small church of about 50 [[probably mostly family and Lord knows how they all intermingle). Yet, this is a megachurch in Indiana that is a highly misogynistic, homophobic, fundamentalist KJV-only fringe fire-n'-brimstone institution that is highly stringent and burdensome with their rules [[no secular entertainment, no drinking, no dancing, etc.).

I do not want them to be a reflection of Christianity in the eyes of outsiders. The greater Baptist community [[including even the greater Southern Baptist Convention) would not have anything to do with separatists this far-flung. I don't know a Christian out there who would not watch that "polishing the shaft" video on Youtube and not get disgusted and horrified within seconds. It brings to mind the Jonathan "Screaming Boy" Bell [[who Joe Bob Briggs used to expose on his "God Stuff" segment on the pre-Stewart days of the Daily Show) nuttiness. The difference being Bell was a small-time cable access oddity, whereas, Schaap had a megachurch. Yet, the one thing they both have in common is that both got caught having messed around with minors.

If one dares look up Schaap's sermons on Youtube, he is volcanically unhinged and rails against women, gays, cell phones, and much more. Does he get caught with a porno mag? Did he have an affair with a different woman? No, he gets caught having isolated, groomed, and manipulated a young girl [[using his cell phone, no less) to have sexual relations and defiantly swear it was all "God ordained". He is now justly doing 12 years time in prison, and God willing, he should never have an active leadership or pastoral role in any faith or church again.

I bring this all up because a.) had this been a small potatoes operation or cult, they would've been shut down long ago. This megachurch he belonged to has a tremendous history of ugly sex scandals and cover-ups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...mond,_Indiana)
The fact that the church blamed the family and had them ex-communicated isn't insult to injury, it is injury upon injury. I wish there was more of an outside mediation somewhere that could investigate and indict this church into almost non-existence-hideous as that sounds. Yet, they have money and sway, and in this country, that allows you to get away with atrocity compounding upon atrocity.

Such behavior makes it hard to believe they are genuinely there [[and just incidentally and eccentrically fanatical) to do God's work , but rather they are there to lure desperate, vulnerable folks in and get the last scraps of faith and hope in God they have to hang onto their foul organization and then eventually disillusion them all and drive it all into the ground. Satanic work from a well-connected organization of wolves.

Your reaction is not isolated, Zacha, I couldn't sit through his performance [[or Jonathan Bell's ear-splitting stuff) either. In fact, one Youtube commentator-someone who identifies herself as a Bible student-said similar things, and she also had a very interesting [[somewhat uneasy/unsure way of putting forth a) synopsis for saying why it was no surprise for any of us to see such disorderly behavior [[or "fruits", if you will) lead up to such train wrecks when the red flags are clearly there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PauL_G28vg

-and b.) and I hate to make a defensive issue of this, but I am now hearing about Schaap for the first time [[and it's got my adrenaline and my sense of indignation quite up), and lately the media would've gladly used this as something to shed negative light on Christianity to go along with the recent trend to slam religion in general. Yet, this went vastly unnoticed. This only proves something I brought up many times before, that there is indeed a disproportionate manner for the media to slam on Catholicism for the slightest rumor of molestation [[and any acquittal unmentioned), whereas, convicted child abuse occurring in Protestant [[Baptist, YWAM, exorcisms, etc.) and secular institutions [[child care centers, teachers, coaches, boy scout leaders, etc.) goes widely ignored.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valeri..._b_740853.html and https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...thodist-church.

This now ends this editorial. The views represented here do not necessarily represent the views of this station or any of it's affiliates. We now return you to the ongoing continuation of the most unpopular show on this planet....

[jcole]

And here ya go:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us...kson.html?_r=0

Instead of speaking to the congregation at Great Faith Ministries International, Mr. Trump had planned to be interviewed by its pastor in a session that would be closed to the public and the news media, with questions submitted in advance. And instead of letting Mr. Trump be his freewheeling self, his campaign prepared lengthy answers for the submitted questions, consulting black Republicans to make sure he says the right things.
An eight-page draft script obtained by The New York Times shows 12 questions that Bishop Wayne T. Jackson, the pastor, intends to ask Mr. Trump in the taped question-and-answer session, as well as the responses Mr. Trump is being advised to give.

[canuck]

Man, them preachers make snake worshippers look like choirboys.

[Bobl]

Man, them preachers make snake worshippers look like choirboys.

Preachers, snake handlers, and choirboys, all subsidized by the rest of us.

[Zozo]

It's in the best interest of the major stakeholders of the New York Times to ensure that Trump loses. The newspaper is owned by Carlos Slim, Mexican billionaire, so it's basically his personal blog now. A lot of the Mexican elite, such as Vicente Fox, know they will be taking some financial loses if Trump wins. Also notice the most of the anti-Trump screeds in the NYT are written by Jews. Trumps America first policy [[as opposed to the Israel first policy of Bush and Obama) frightens them, and Trump has indicated numerous times a willingness to pull away from Middle Eastern religious conflicts. Therefore the veracity of anything in the New York Times these days is suspect. I wouldn't believe anything the NYT writes about Trump.

[southen]

I wouldn't believe anything the NYT writes about Trump.

Because of the Mexicans and Jews. Got it.

[Richard]

It's in the best interest of the major stakeholders of the New York Times to ensure that Trump loses. The newspaper is owned by Carlos Slim, Mexican billionaire, so it's basically his personal blog now. A lot of the Mexican elite, such as Vicente Fox, know they will be taking some financial loses if Trump wins. Also notice the most of the anti-Trump screeds in the NYT are written by Jews. Trumps America first policy [[as opposed to the Israel first policy of Bush and Obama) frightens them, and Trump has indicated numerous times a willingness to pull away from Middle Eastern religious conflicts. Therefore the veracity of anything in the New York Times these days is suspect. I wouldn't believe anything the NYT writes about Trump.

Yea,nothing like walking that thin line.

Trump is/was a business person,it would be reasonable to believe because he owns businesses in this country he would be a bit more business friendly and not require businesses to bear the brunt of costs.

Mexician gov already owns Cemex the concrete company that supplies fla and other states with 70% of thier concrete,it is just the nature of different parties to be business friendly or not.

[Zozo]

Because of the Mexicans and Jews. Got it.

Yes. The NYT is publishing these anti-Trump articles, yet the truth is the NYT writers are just pushing and promoting the financial and cultural interest of their major stakeholders, which is plain to see. These interests are often not in the best interest of Americans. The NYT is using their position as a newspaper to steer public opinion and control the political narrative. It's a common practice actually when it comes to politics, and I can understand how you might feel uncomfortable if you are learning about it for the first time.

[G-DDT]

Man, them preachers make snake worshippers look like choirboys.

The secret to snake handling is refrigerated torpor. It has more to do with Amana that I Am. That's what makes these guys phonies. They make it an issue of "signs"-playing "dare-devil" while testing God more than anything. Yet, they go and stack the deck by sticking those cold-blooded critters in a floor fridge before their performance.

I'm going to make another plug for Balmer's book "Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism" because it lists at least 3 or 4 "snake-handlers" who must of gotten a quick pang of doubt [[as we all do from time to time) at the wrong time, because they died from the venom of serpents they toyed with.

I mean if you are going to be a daring showman be a Siegfiried [[or was it Roy?-I can't remember), be a Steve Irwin, or be one of a growing list of guys who die using wingsuitshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ingsuit_flying. If you do die, noone will call you a victim or a martyr, they will just sadly shrug like your name was Farley or Winehouse.

For the love of God and all that is good, just don't go attaching some "faith equivalency" ideology to it all. It is the worst form of manipulation to undermine one's faith by saying your very self-imperiled survival or your state of health or financial status hinges on where you are in a "competitive and measurable" [[whatever that means) standard of faith. If anything, the Bible stresses it rains on the just and the unjust, God shows no partiality, we all take our own chances, and yes, it is a guarantee that if you are believer, then you will suffer persecution, affliction, and outrageous fortune. Just count your blessings when we are able to endure those things, maybe escape those things, or get the occasionally pleasant surprise benefit.

More so, why poison and snakes? Why don't these charlatans upgrade and get with the times? Why not go all out Silkwood and juggle some radioactive material [["Holy Marie Curie, mother of Radium, the leaded undergarment is with thee.") and see how acting like a fool gets you?

[G-DDT]

And here ya go:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us...kson.html?_r=0

Remember a time in the 90's when shows like the Simpsons, That 70's Show, and Freaks & Geeks satirized the visit by the political hopeful who then took [[per-determined and coached) questions from a character doubting the validity of it all [[Lisa Simpson, Red Forman, Lindsay Weir)?

[southen]

Yes. The NYT is publishing these anti-Trump articles, yet the truth is the NYT writers are just pushing and promoting the financial and cultural interest of their major stakeholders, which is plain to see. These interests are often not in the best interest of Americans. The NYT is using their position as a newspaper to steer public opinion and control the political narrative. It's a common practice actually when it comes to politics, and I can understand how you might feel uncomfortable if you are learning about it for the first time.

Oh no I have heard it from people like you all of the time. The media is the perfect scapegoat for the right and Trump has done a fantastic job of playing up the "rigged" system for why he will lose and not the batshit crazy things he says...

I for one don't think the NYT and just about every other publication for that matter are out to get Trump, because I actually pay attention and listen to what he says. The bigotry and bullshit is strong with that one and the articles write themselves. But hey, keep supporting a guy whose ONE idea is to spend 20 billion on a wall we don't need.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Politicians > Promises > Like Pie Crusts = Made To Be Broken! This is epic fail policy right from the JUMP OFF! Donald Trump in standard, 'here we go again' politician form is making big promises. In this case clearly impossible keep. Mexico will not pay for a wall, where would we get the steel to make it? Or get thru the paperwork to build it.

Ain't gonna happen!

America's days of building Golden Gate Bridges, Hoover Damns and other big projects is well, eh' if not over.... highly politicized at minimal. A more reasoned and even bipartisan policy, in part, to the illegal problem is to send back all convicted illegal felons from our prisons!

[Dan Wesson]

^^^ Politicians > Promises > Like Pie Crusts = Made To Be Broken! This is epic fail policy right from the JUMP OFF! Donald Trump in standard, 'here we go again' politician form is making big promises. In this case clearly impossible keep. Mexico will not pay for a wall, where would we get the steel to make it? Or get thru the paperwork to build it.

Ain't gonna happen!

America's days of building Golden Gate Bridges, Hoover Damns and other big projects is well, eh' if not over.... highly politicized at minimal. A more reasoned and even bipartisan policy, in part, to the illegal problem is to send back all convicted illegal felons from our prisons!

Zacha there is more than one way to skin this cat.

eg. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

A 10% tariff on Mexican imports of 295 Billion...

[southen]

To build something that is completely unnecessary...

[401don]

This wall better go down at least 100 feet. Mexicans are excellent tunnel builders. Let's just hope they don't google "How to Build a Better Catapult."

[Bham1982]

Yes. The NYT is publishing these anti-Trump articles, yet the truth is the NYT writers are just pushing and promoting the financial and cultural interest of their major stakeholders, which is plain to see. These interests are often not in the best interest of Americans. The NYT is using their position as a newspaper to steer public opinion and control the political narrative. It's a common practice actually when it comes to politics, and I can understand how you might feel uncomfortable if you are learning about it for the first time.

You're saying it's in the public's interest to elect an ignnorant racist clown who has dangerous fascist tendencies and whose entire base of support is uneducated bigots? Uh, no.

The NY Time criticizes Trump for the exact same reason that conservative publications like the WSJ, FT and even National Review criticize Trump: he's an asshat who isn't remotely qualified for any paid position, much less the most important position on the planet. It has zero to do with politics; he's an existential threat to humanity, probably the greatest threat since WW2.

[Bham1982]

This wall better go down at least 100 feet. Mexicans are excellent tunnel builders. Let's just hope they don't google "How to Build a Better Catapult."

And forget the fact that the vast majority of U.S. illegals come by plane, on tourist visas. Our own Border Patrol estimates net negative illegal movement these last few years, so a wall would ironically keep more illegals in the U.S.

The proposed wall might be the best evidence yet that many Americans are complete idiots.

[Honky Tonk]

And yet this article says different:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...ord-pace-2016/

[Bham1982]

And yet this article says different:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...ord-pace-2016/

No one is going to bother with that link. Washington Times is owned/operated by a religious cult [[the Moonies).