Trump's Upcoming Ruins Porn Tour of Detroit

[Lowell]

It is being reported that Republican Candidate Donald Trumps's team is planning an early September ruins porn tour of Detroit, where retired neurosurgeon and former Republican primary rival Ben Carson would guide him on a tour of the impoverished neighborhoods where he grew up.

It is billed as a 'look what the Democrats did' attempt to woo African-American votes with whom, in some polls, he is seen attracting less than 1% support and carrying the punch line ‘What do you have to lose. Try me’.

This is a savvy forum who knows the fall of Detroit’ as well as its current revival, are very nuanced and more the result of many complicated forces beyond two party politics [including cooperation], such as de-industrialization, oil embargoes, corporate disinvestment, redlining, urban sprawl, diminution of mass transit, a school system ravaged under state management, crime, block-busting, expressways and ease of suburban living.

Questions:
So what would you put into a tour that tells that story? The wall off Eight Mile that segregated neighborhoods, bits or DSR railway sticking out on Michigan Ave, the Highland Park Model T plant and Ford HQ…?

Does this ruins porn tour risk coming off as dog-whistling 'Look what [African-American] Democrats did?'

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...mber/89251136/

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Maybe Carson can take him on a tour of where his made up stabbing story supposedly took place.

[Hypestyles]

Strange. I presume that Trump has no business holdings in metro Detroit. If he's "serious" about helping out here, he'll direct his company [[those he legitimately owns and not just licenses a "brand" out to) to do like Dan Gilbert and start buying up properties-- with the caveat that his company actually renovates them completely and then turns them into whatever is workable-- office building, retail, residential, or some combination thereof.

[G-DDT]

Trump is desperate.

He brings up Hilary's health when he is the one looking apoplectic when he speaks.

He compares Hillary's actions to Watergate, when Watergate was a testament to years of crooked offensive attempts to aggressively spy, blackmail, send out false, slanderous reports and news leaks, ruin the marriages and lives of critics and opponents, plant evidence, affect voting by sending out POES to call voters, and even possible murder; even as Watergate was unfolding, it was being protected by certain departments of the government, and folks were afraid to speak up. It was called "skunk works" and "rat f*cking" for a reason. Hillary's defensive actions come no where near it. Trump doing this, is the equivalent of labeling an online opponent as "Hitler".

Trump won't elaborate on any plan, and keeps applying used car salesmen "trust me-it will all work out" tactics [[which brings up the classic question: would you buy a used car from him?). Are we to assume his buildings stay up just like that Monty Python skit about an architect who uses hypnotism to erect them, and folks can't question them to keep them standinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujRE2IkEIo? Yes, according to Trump, we should stop clapping for Tinkerbell, and start clapping for him.

Trumps rhetoric still is filled with wildly exaggerative, superlative-laced, emotion-riling language designed to spur people and play off their fears.


Finally, as Seth Meyers pointed out last night, Trump is changing tactics about race and immigration which has some Republicans angry. He agrees with some things Obama has done right in these areas [[now), but still maintains his position that he will do things far different, for to vote for Hiliary [[according to him) is to "add four more years of Obama". Rather contradictory and duplicitly sneaky, but can we assume he just got visited in the night by three pre-Holiday season spirits that gave him a radical change of heart, and that he won't revert back to what we so passionately saw as his motives from the start [["read my lips: No new taxes!"). Such waffling lends to one manipulatively testing the wind and manically adjusting his strategy if it will just "do the job" [[just like playing up to Evangelicals and pushing them off to the side after getting elected as we saw with the last three Republicans), and not to a man who bears any genuine consistency.

As a side note: Meyers pointed out how Trump had an "Apprentice" show idea on Howard Stern in 2005, in which black contestants and white contestants [[each with the same education and credentials) were to compete on opposite teams.

P.S.-some Dick Tuck-style fortune cookie fortune questions for all reporters to pursue: where is Trump's tax information, and just what are his connections to the Soviets?

[Enduro]

Trump is desperate.

I think the party is desperate. I think Trump wants this to be over already. My speculation is he didn't predict he could win the primary and was too proud to quit by the time he realized it was too late. Now the party has to make lemonade as they realize fear of Trump could bring democrats and sane, peace loving people out in droves so they've made this Hail Mary pass to voters that, in Trump's words, "have nothing else to lose."

This "what have democrats done for you?" campaign seems to be the new GOP messaging. If you saw that nasty Tomi Lahren Kaepernick rant that's getting 50 million [[?!?) hits it clearly shifts from talking to the QB to talking to African Americans and goes into blaming Obama for the plight of the inner cities. Look for all the Fox News talking heads to follow suit.

This could Detroit visit coverage could get ugly fast and I hope the media does it's due diligence and gets the full story of what truly happened to cities like Detroit and Flint, warts and all. It would be a wonderful opportunity for some local news outlet to produce an award winning piece but I don't trust that will happen. There's more money in just pointing a camera at Trump.

[GMan]

I think the party is desperate. I think Trump wants this to be over already. My speculation is he didn't predict he could win the primary and was too proud to quit by the time he realized it was too late. Now the party has to make lemonade as they realize fear of Trump could bring democrats and sane, peace loving people out in droves so they've made this Hail Mary pass to voters that, in Trump's words, "have nothing else to lose."

This "what have democrats done for you?" campaign seems to be the new GOP messaging. If you saw that nasty Tomi Lahren Kaepernick rant that's getting 50 million [[?!?) hits it clearly shifts from talking to the QB to talking to African Americans and goes into blaming Obama for the plight of the inner cities. Look for all the Fox News talking heads to follow suit.

This could Detroit visit coverage could get ugly fast and I hope the media does it's due diligence and gets the full story of what truly happened to cities like Detroit and Flint, warts and all. It would be a wonderful opportunity for some local news outlet to produce an award winning piece but I don't trust that will happen. There's more money in just pointing a camera at Trump.

I love the speculation that his campaign is failing.
Trump is doing fine despite the Republicans lack of support. He's doing fine despite the media bias. He's doing fine despite being outspent by the Dem political machine. He's doing fine asking the valid questions he's asked.
The Eurocentrics said the same thing about the Brexit. But were suprised when the vote turned out the way it did.
Gee we'll allow you into a common market and tap into your GDP. All you have to do is accept a flood of migrants, overcrowded housing market. Increase in crime and lower standard of living Also give up your sovereignty. But hey, you'll be a member of the Euro Union.
No wonder the Brits saw through it.

[G-DDT]

^^^Aren't there already Chicago investors encroaching on Detroit's situation. Many of them [[the guys with profiles that say "Cobo Hall" as there favorite place-as if we are to assume they didn't copy that from Wikipedia.) have spoof accounts on DY. They know everything about financing, buildings, infrastructures, roads, and any other clinically dry statistical knowledge one can do research online about. As far as anything genuinely Detroit from genuine background stories growing up to using the term "party store', they oddly lack. You can usually spot them as being big apologists for corporations and big business while being dismissive of gentrification.

[Farwell]

Lowell, Were you REALLY expecting any contrary opinions from this forum?

[lpg]

Lowell, What do you mean by "ease of suburban living" ?

[Gistok]

Lowell, What do you mean by "ease of suburban living" ?

Well I can't speak for Lowell... but I can answer for myself..... low property taxes, no local income taxes, 5 min. 911 response time... a more relative feeling of safety [[you're never 100% safe), street lights that work. Nearby convenience shopping [[even at night)... and a fast freeway ride to almost anywhere. That is what it is for me, and I live at I-696/I-94... in SCS... to put it into perspective.

I love my old neighborhood... in the Balduck Park area of Detroit.... but sadly it has gone downhill... and to me... if it can be rejuvenated before too much housing stock is lost, then it stands a good chance of a renaissance, at least in that part of Detroit. Some parts are so far gone, that total bulldozing would be best. But there are areas such as EEV and points eastward, that if they are saved from further blight... then there may be hope yet for the decimated east side. Sadly, as bad as the residential has gotten.... it's the business districts along Harper, E. Warren and Mack that have not helped people stay hopeful.

The future for Detroit is not building anew in the neighborhoods... but saving the high quality, mainly brick surviving housing, and restoring safety and value in the neighborhoods. As for DPS? Too far gone.... no one... regardless of race, wants to deal with the DPS system.

[Richard]

Or maybe during his visit he can see from a business standpoint that the city is in a position to move fast,because if he does get elected he needs to move fast and hard and not many other cities have done the groundwork and is at the point Detroit is.

Maybe they could start with a small glass works,because when the glass is half empty you can pour it into a smaller glass and it becomes half full.

Everybody is pretty much aware of what happened and why because it happened in every city,the question would be where do we go from here and how do we get there.

Is he racist because there should be two sets of rules ? Most of the ones I have seen calling him racist is because of his immigration stance,but if you were an immigrant that came to this country and spent years becoming a citizen,not to even scrape up the 10 to 15,000 working crap jobs to come up with that money,how would you feel if the guy standing next to you just got a free pass and granted automatic citizenship.

So some are saying he is an ass and the African Amercian community in Detroit and elsewhere is in a happy place and nothing needs changing.

What exactly can the DNC say that they can change that they have not been able to change in the last 8 years? Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

Seems like there are more with less opportunity then there was before.Well I take that back,Wal-Mart is hiring.

[Danny]

It's too late for that. Trump has lost of lot of African American support. He can go with Carson and tour the Ghettos of Detroit. I hope that don't get shot and robbed while they are out there.

[mikefmich]

It's too late for that. Trump has lost of lot of African American support. He can go with Carson and tour the Ghettos of Detroit. I hope that don't get shot and robbed while they are out there.

I think one has to "have" something before they can lose it.

[G-DDT]

I think one has to "have" something before they can lose it.

Well, at least those poor little rich guys have each other. For all I care, they can go down by the riverfront and dance cheek to cheek with each other, if they choose [[-but that's only keeping in context with Carson's view that such activities are done only by those who've made a choice to do so).

[Wesley Mouch]

It's too late for that. Trump has lost of lot of African American support. He can go with Carson and tour the Ghettos of Detroit. I hope that don't get shot and robbed while they are out there.

Elections aren't about 'winning' the support of communities, just about votes. Trump doesn't need most black votes, he only needs some movement. A few percent of black voters who stay home, or vote Trump might be all they need.

Of course that's not all they need, but you win by making small changes in many voting groups.

Elections are almost always decided by a relatively small number of voters. Most people are solidly in one tribe or the other. I think as the Hillary Coronation became more likely, more people realized just how much they don't like her. That's her biggest risk.

Trump actually telling Black Democratic voters that they've been getting screwed by their party is quite a bold move. Is the black community of one mind? Or is there a small percentage who think 'hey, we've been screwed -- let's give this wacko a try -- after all nothing else has worked. 50 years of voting for Democrats hasn't made flowers bloom at Mack and Chalmers.

[Honky Tonk]

Or maybe during his visit he can see from a business standpoint that the city is in a position to move fast,because if he does get elected he needs to move fast and hard and not many other cities have done the groundwork and is at the point Detroit is.

Maybe they could start with a small glass works,because when the glass is half empty you can pour it into a smaller glass and it becomes half full.

Everybody is pretty much aware of what happened and why because it happened in every city,the question would be where do we go from here and how do we get there.

Is he racist because there should be two sets of rules ? Most of the ones I have seen calling him racist is because of his immigration stance,but if you were an immigrant that came to this country and spent years becoming a citizen,not to even scrape up the 10 to 15,000 working crap jobs to come up with that money,how would you feel if the guy standing next to you just got a free pass and granted automatic citizenship.

So some are saying he is an ass and the African Amercian community in Detroit and elsewhere is in a happy place and nothing needs changing.

What exactly can the DNC say that they can change that they have not been able to change in the last 8 years? Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

Seems like there are more with less opportunity then there was before.Well I take that back,Wal-Mart is hiring.

Not to mention free medical, free housing, free assistance, and a free drivers license, all on the working class tax payers dime. As long as DEMS are handing out free money, what me worry?

[southen]

Some fairy princess is going to drop out of the sky and poof education and jobs suddenly appear?

That would be like supporting a candidate who says a bunch of things like "were gonna win so hard" and "trust me im going to fix everything" without providing any details whatsoever, no?

[Dan Wesson]

That would be like supporting a candidate who says a bunch of things like "were gonna win so hard" and "trust me im going to fix everything" without providing any details whatsoever, no?

Sound bites that is what the Media wants and the sheeple can absorb without straining themselves.

Both camps do it.

I mean after all... Let's give 'em sumpin to talk about.

[canuck]

Two fine nursery Rhymes to illustrateur your dilemma:
Hillary, Trickery Dock.
Trumpty Dumpty sat on a wall.

[Dan Wesson]

Ahhhh, a good old fashioned "Manure Tour".

Seriously...

If a significant portion of the common people depends on the on the 'well intentioned but gone awry' benevolence of Democrat and Republican Social Welfare Programs the result is a substandard way of life and entrapment in that substandard way of life.

I can attest that what you see on a Manure Tour in Detroit is the same you are gonna see in up state Michigan backwoods.

Now, Democrat and Republican Business and Corporate Welfare Programs do seem to do much better for the Oligarch and Asset owning folk.

Lowell your bias and spinning is showing, non issue. It seems as if spin is the style de riguerur.

Now, does this show what African American Democrats have done to Detroit?

Not really.

Were they Elected to positions of power? Yes.

Did the elected officials have what it takes to be truly effective? Yes and No.

Did they take on a job that required a full sized construction backhoe and then given a hand shovel to do it? Yes

[Lowell]

From today's Crain's...

Trump will visit the Great Faith Ministries International on Saturday in Detroit, a predominantly black church at 10735 Grand River Ave., in the heart of the city, said Pastor Mark Burns, a Trump supporter who arranged a meeting between the Republican presidential nominee and the church's leader, Bishop Wayne T. Jackson....

Burns has emerged as a top surrogate for Trump within the black community, frequently appearing on cable networks and introducing Trump at his rallies.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...nce-in-detroit

No mention was made of the above announced tour with Ben Carson. Wondering if that is now shelved.

[Bigdd]

Soon everyone will be on welfare and there won't be a Republican party anymore.

82% of taxpayers vote Republican,.. but there just aren't enough of us left.

[bust]

Soon everyone will be on welfare and there won't be a Republican party anymore.

82% of taxpayers vote Republican,.. but there just aren't enough of us left.

Bigdd, where do you get your information? They are lying to you.

The map you posted was originally created by Buzzfeed, and it had nothing to do with taxes. Someone changed the labels on the bar chart to fool you!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpol...oked-like-with



The statistic you quote was another lie. For starters, let's look at the facts about who pays taxes:

How many taxpayers are there in the U.S.?

https://www.reference.com/business-f...8694fa210c6dbf

Who doesn’t pay taxes, in eight charts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...xes-in-charts/

Here's a tidbit. You know who doesn't pay income taxes? Old people:



By the way, Bill Moyers & Company did a great analysis of that map at Buzzfeed. What they say about it seems relevant here:

Dog Whistle Politics: What if Only White People Voted?

http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/28/dog...-people-voted/

I note you're the same person who is convinced Michelle Obama is a transsexual:

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...594#post510594
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...609#post510609

If you're willing to believe that I have my doubts logic can persuade you to believe anything other than what you want to believe. But here's one more chance.

[Bigdd]

I note you're the same person who is convinced Michelle Obama is a transsexual:

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...594#post510594
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...609#post510609

I can't help but notice that you haven't said that you think it's untrue. Care to go on record?


45.3% of American households pay no federal income tax. Yet they are able to vote themselves more free stuff in elections.

Do you think that people receiving state aid should be allowed to vote? Giving to charity is a great and noble thing. But when someone can vote your dollars into their pockets,.. it's stealing. Can you really build an economy on theft?

[Bigdd]

Here's a tidbit. You know who doesn't pay income taxes? Old people:

And if you read even more carefully,.. you'll notice in the title,.. that they're referring to "workers",.. and not people.

"7) Over their full lifetime, the vast majority of workers end up paying income taxes and federal taxes."


So that's only people that ARE working,.. and cannot be claimed as a dependent by someone else.

Which goes exactly to my point that the chronically unemployed and the poor vote overwhelmingly Democrat,.. and the Democrats work tirelessly to grow that demographic so as to ensure they are the only party capable of wining a national election.