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    First off, prior to this incident, the two biggest American shootings involved Trump supporters in Houston and K-Zoo; yet, I don't think most Trump supporters want to be aligned with these [[yet, I caught live news coverage at a North Carolina, and one can hear Trump shouting at the top of his lungs in the background of the reporter, and he sounds an awful lot like Hitler did.).

    Second, Mateen's ex-wife is mentioned saying he wasn't very religioushttp://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-m...ive-terrorism/. Yet, she [[who goes by the name "Star") is turning this into a matter of his faith conflicting his orientation situation. Difficult to say what prompted what...

    Also, the Amarillo shooting is being presented by the media as a disgruntled work place violence situation.http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/amaril...-video-photos/

    Finally, the Boko Haram incident in Nigeria is horrific and under reported. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13809501Yet, this BBC report does make clear that other Muslims are targeted by them. This bloodiness has happened for years between factions of Jews against Jews [[and God forbid you be labeled as a "self-hating Jew") and Christians VS. Christians [[all from 313AD up to the times surrounding the Reformation). It doesn't excuse any of it in this day and age, yet, I agree with Obama about not singling out an entire religion because of garish sweeping generalizations and broad brush strokes.
    Last edited by G-DDT; June-14-16 at 08:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-DDT View Post
    First off, prior to this incident, the two biggest American shootings involved Trump supporters in Houston and K-Zoo; yet, I don't think most Trump supporters want to be aligned with these [[yet, I caught live news coverage at a North Carolina, and one can hear Trump shouting at the top of his lungs in the background of the reporter, and he sounds an awful lot like Hitler did.).
    I may be wrong about Trump's most recent shouting spree. I did scope the coverage of the Tarheel rally, and the only one really losing their lid was the bald African American man hired to pump up [[in huge boisterous shouts) the audience in his introduction of the Birthday Boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-DDT View Post
    First off, prior to this incident, the two biggest American shootings involved Trump supporters in Houston and K-Zoo; yet, I don't think most Trump supporters want to be aligned with these [[yet, I caught live news coverage at a North Carolina, and one can hear Trump shouting at the top of his lungs in the background of the reporter, and he sounds an awful lot like Hitler did.).

    Second, Mateen's ex-wife is mentioned saying he wasn't very religioushttp://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-m...ive-terrorism/. Yet, she [[who goes by the name "Star") is turning this into a matter of his faith conflicting his orientation situation. Difficult to say what prompted what...

    Also, the Amarillo shooting is being presented by the media as a disgruntled work place violence situation.http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/amaril...-video-photos/

    Finally, the Boko Haram incident in Nigeria is horrific and under reported. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13809501Yet, this BBC report does make clear that other Muslims are targeted by them. This bloodiness has happened for years between factions of Jews against Jews [[and God forbid you be labeled as a "self-hating Jew") and Christians VS. Christians [[all from 313AD up to the times surrounding the Reformation). It doesn't excuse any of it in this day and age, yet, I agree with Obama about not singling out an entire religion because of garish sweeping generalizations and broad brush strokes.
    70 Native Americans were murdered by Christian terrorists at Sand Creek. Wounded Knee was far worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobl View Post
    70 Native Americans were murdered by Christian terrorists at Sand Creek. Wounded Knee was far worse.
    Reading material packing my bookcases. For genocide [[American made or otherwise) is a common topic of study for me.

    Keeping it more recent, it disturbs me that more of a militarized mentality has gripped this nation of late. This is how things fall apart or get overrun by Spartanical Ruff-Tuff Cream Puffs taking charge [[another Crumb-ism-see Hup #1).

    What concerns me is whoever has an "agenda"-be it "radical Islam" cells scattered about or heavily armed potheads from Pennsylvania "liberating kids from drug dens in New York" [[ala' Hardcore or worse, like Joe or Taxi Driver)-are all going about things the wrong way.

    Without trying to be too cute about a very unpleasant turn of events [[which is why I'm not linking to clips from "Bowling for Columbine"), I'm plain floored by how many folks are getting too gung-ho about things. They either are fed up with sitting on all those guns [[-and the ammo, and the gun club memberships and meetings, and the belts and clips, and all the target practice they invested in-remember that link I made to those hideous zombie targets that looked like African Amercians and President Obama?,-AND aaaallll of the gun porn they buy-) they've hoarded and then terribly feel let down that they don't ever get to use any of them [[yes, all flakked up and noone to shoot, eh?). Maybe they would feel better that they should start using those guns before they start to go out of style-so they got to go find a target... Or maybe it's all just a case of them being silly, insecure white dudes....

    "Why should G-DDT care?" you may ask...

    Well, I live in Dearborn, some of my best neighbors are Arab Americans. I simply don't want someone like this politician [[or any of his friends) from Tennessee http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/robert...-plea-patriot/ coming up and trying something here. I'm just glad this guy got caught.
    I got sick of it enough with Ruben Israel and "Rev." Terry Jones starting trouble.

    Folks want to react to Orlando, but how is more violence the answer? Think of the Sikh guy killed after 9/11. If Doggart had succeeded, there would be dead children and families, and it would be just like someone executing an Amish community [[like with the West Nickel Mines school, which is coming up on ten years now) all because they didn't understand the news report about that couple giving their kids to that Lee Kaplan guy long after they got booted from an Amish community for their flawed behavior.

    Racism and intolerance have been coming grossly back in style with no apologies of late. We saw it with celebrities who get away with it. We see it in our legal and justice systems. The media has reverted back to imbalanced forms of reporting events, and speaking of propaganda, you got idiots splashing things up on billboards to voice their intolerance to religion [[like in Times Square or this Florida http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...each/128625411 billboard which I'm sure Mateen may have have seen many times) or against race, interracial marriage or what have you [[I still remember the anti-homeless banners I saw in South Bend).

    Maybe none of it can be taken too seriously since it's just billboards all posted up alongside with the liquor and soda crud and casino gambling ads, and I guess that makes it all the more apropos a medium for that thinking, or maybe it is all some form of trollish/poe inflammatory device being employed here. It can all be fever-pitch inspiration getting momentum here, or it's all just the measly last viscous death rattle of a subculture that needed to finally be subjugated.

    However, it's bad enough that we got a guy here in Dearborn on Outer Drive who puts up sandwich boards on his lawn [[which makes an odd blurred section around Googlemaps) talking about "executing Democrats" or imprisoning this person or that, but when you got another person acting like a yahoo down in Tenesse.http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/rick-t...tewater-grill/ Ugh.

    People are feeling bolder and encouraging others to push the envelope. More and more "football hooligans", neo-Nazi wannabees, and other extremists are gaining headway throughout Europe [[like France's National Front which have been around for over 40 years). The push for dealing with total absolutes in their thinking to attain full "law and order" is the very root of virus-like thinking, fascism, and the very conspiracy of control that has plagued all of history. Many innocents and meek souls will suffer under this steamroller mentality.

    The answer is to speak up, communicate with others, sit in, bravely look them eye to eye and turn the other cheek, set an example, boycott, carefully purge the infiltrator/saboteurs in your midst, starve yourself if you have to, but don't play into that hate mentality, and pray to God above all for some more inches of peace this summer.
    Last edited by G-DDT; June-24-16 at 01:15 AM.

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