Man Sucker Punched

**Zacha341** · February-15-16, 08:43 AM

I am concerned with the increase numbers of teens threatening, hitting, harassing, threatening to shoot, shooting and carjacking here and elsewhere. Everyone's not going to go along with this and I think there are going to be some lethal response going forward.

**noise** · February-15-16, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

As for the rest of your rant I am not going to respond to silly left wing talking points. I prefer to look at the world through the lens of reality rather than emotion and hyper sensitive feelings.

This is ironic from a self-identified conservative, the most emotional and hyper-sensitive of all ideologues.

Just look at your posts and your "arguments". All emotion. Little supported fact.

**Wesley Mouch** · February-15-16, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by G-DDT

Flawed impetus to introduce this disturbing story.

"If you live in a society that subtly imposes a long withstanding genocidal manner of subjugating certain folks" ...snip...

A theme of conservative America is 'liberals hate themselves, and hate America'.

We have problems. Yes. But we really aren't that bad. There's no genocide occurring the America. No imposition, subtle or overt, of subjgation. We are not perfect. But we've pretty good.

I reject the characterization.

**SyGolden48236** · February-15-16, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by noise

This is ironic from a self-identified conservative, the most emotional and hyper-sensitive of all ideologues.

Just look at your posts and your "arguments". All emotion. Little supported fact.

That is your opinion, to which you are entitled, and I feel it is completely wrong. I reject it wholeheartedly.

Shalom!

**Hermod** · February-15-16, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by archfan

Local news usually believes 'if it bleeds, it leads'. But this type of reporting in Detroit also seems to play well to the suburban viewers; in a way, a justification of the decision to move out of the city.

Possibly their move out of the city was a rational decision given a risk/reward analysis. Were they chased out?

**michmina** · February-15-16, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

I am concerned by the increase numbers of teens threatening, hitting, harassing, threatening to shoot, shooting and carjacking here and elsewhere. Everyone's not going to go along with this and I think there are going to be some lethal response going forward.

I find myself becoming acutely aware of what's going on around me when a group of teens is around. I listen to my gut and I've even left places when I've been alone and got a bad feeling. Kind of sad, really - but a lot of the teens/young adults seem to have no problem attacking and/or killing people even if there's no monetary reward in it.

**archfan** · February-16-16, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Hermod

Possibly their move out of the city was a rational decision given a risk/reward analysis. Were they chased out?

Whether their decision was emotional or rational, once the decision was made, seeing the stories on the news helps them feel they made the right decision. Justification may not be the right word - maybe reinforcement?

**softailrider** · February-16-16, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hermod

Possibly their move out of the city was a rational decision given a risk/reward analysis. Were they chased out?

I would say 6 or 8 years ago the city was not livable for a lot of people. Remember when there was hardly any police or EMS response? If you had elderly parents would you want them in that type of environment if you could change it?

**Bham1982** · February-17-16, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by softailrider

I would say 6 or 8 years ago the city was not livable for a lot of people. Remember when there was hardly any police or EMS response? If you had elderly parents would you want them in that type of environment if you could change it?

Not sure why "6 or 8 years ago". What was so special about that period?

The city hasn't functioned to minimal standards since the 1970's. The issues that prevent Detroit from being a realistic consideration for most folks haven't changed much over time.

**noise** · February-17-16, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by SyGolden48236

That is your opinion, to which you are entitled, and I feel it is completely wrong. I reject it wholeheartedly.

Shalom!

You were supposed to call me a name and get a real flame war started!

Cheers.

**ddaydetroit** · February-17-16, 11:29 AM

Has anyone been caught yet ? It seems like an easy case the guy had met the suspects before the video has been all over the news and facebook and if look when the driver gets in the car he has to get in on the passenger side because the drivers door doesn't work.

**G-DDT** · February-17-16, 02:21 PM

It is a genocide if you see what groups dwell in what side of the poverty line. It is genocide when segregation is rampant in Detroit, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Boston, and pretty much everywhere else I traveled. You got a place like Harvard that represents every ethnicity except Latinos and African Americans, yet they make up a large portion of Somerville, Chelsea, Dorchester, Roxbury [[ugh, Roxbury), and Jamaica Plain. It's genocide when history has shown time and again how African Americans get served weightier sentences than the whites who commit the same crimes. We are told that statistics say African Americans suffer the highest mortality rate. Yet, read the newspapers in America's blackest city [[here), and what faces and names do you see in the obituaries? Not African Americans. So, not even in death are they forded dignity, so, they have to settle with T-shirts or a bunch of stuffed animals and candles on a corner.

Who fills most of the prisons? African Americans who grew up malnourished and poorly educated and mistreated in this world. Who gets executed the most? African Americans. That is called genocide. Even if it is a slow and systematically subtle version of it. How the Katrina crisis in New Orleans was handled was atrocious and genocidal.

This isn't outdated pontification [[even if a lot of these are things I already stated in threads about Ferguson, which hasn't ended as news reports still come in about how racist certain areas are in Missouri, and how Ferguson police were disproportionately white compared to the black neighborhood they subjugated). It hasn't changed.

The reason I stated "poor impetus", is prior to some profound edits made to this thread, the OP started it with a nasty "Who says black lives matter to other blacks?", and I wasn't going to let that go unchallenged. Yet, somehow the beginning of the thread was changed....

Conservatives can assume that those who criticize a problem [[especially if it's directed at them for problems they created) hate the country. Many of us bother to stay vigilant, avoid complacently and blindly accepting things for the rotten way they are, and speak up because we care enough to improve things.

To quote Jello Biafra:
"Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight..."

**G-DDT** · February-17-16, 03:05 PM

There is a good point to consider why this was splashed up as a story? As a former homeless man, I heard these stories all the time from guys. Yet, no one puts up coverage about it. This got coverage, along with five to six other "black-involved" crime stories that night on the 11 o'clock [[some of them were unnecessary follow-up stories regarding black crimes from months ago that are leap-frogged and woven in as formidable filler for a nail-biting audience) news on ABC.

If there is any name to affix to these guys it is simply "weak". They obviously gang up and lash out at a feeble individual. If they weren't put up to it [[and if they were-for sanctioned terrorism sake-they probably won't get caught), one can't even begin to guess as to what brought it out of them. Did this poor individual represent all they hated about their neighborhood and wanted to distance themselves from? They obviously felt cocky enough to feel-that despite persistent evidence of surveillance everywhere you go-they were going to get away with it. I've seen far to many clips of poor folks sucker-punched or swarm beaten and nothing done about it.

I try to pay attention to odd stories that just happened, and how all parties involved [[law enforcement, media) either let go of it or want as little attention drawn to it.

For example: a shooting at a Zombiecon in Ft. Myers begged for suspect identification, yet, after November, nothing more came of it. No one apprehended. Maybe it was about drugs, maybe it was something personal.

One story that really bothered me was a home invasion on a couple and their elderly father in Hartland, MI a year ago. What I pieced together is that these white guys in their 30's were in what appeared some work van outside scoping things on a Saturday Night [[raised suspicions with the neighbors), come in and proceed to beat them [[Soviet harassment style) with a police baton, attack the father, and make off with no stolen itemshttp://www.wxyz.com/news/region/livi...pects-get-away, http://www.livingstondaily.com/story...tion/22074825/,and only a Foxnews source suggested money was involved. Was it about drugs or personal bad dealings? Did this couple deserve this? Was this couple involved with online white supremacists or child pornographers who deserved a little "outside justice"?-because they didn't look like either. Yet, it happened, and there was no follow-up the way certain black-involved crimes are clustered in with a big lump of spoon-fed fear on the evening news.

Better still, ask yourself why there was very little coverage over armed confrontational white idiots taking over an Oregon wildlife refuge. The community didn't even want them there. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._the_feds.htmlYet, despite what these racist militia types say, they were armed and itchy for blood. Which, it sadly turned into. Little coverage there...and many folks are right to ask what kind of treatment do non-whites and Muslims who engage in a peaceful demonstration get?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-a...b_8916268.html

The same question of follow-up should be applied as to why a guy who kills cops [[a COP-KILLER!) at a Planned Parenthood gets little press? Which is a little more enigmatic since is it about drawing attention away from a gun-toting, white, conservative, Obama-hating, Biblical-illiterate, anti-abortionist http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/robert...ive-age-white/or drawing attention away from what exactly was being done with the fetal tissue. Then again, there were folks who wanted to contort the issues that some guy shooting folks in a campus was not targeting Christians.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-of-cowardice/

ALLLL of that regardless, I'd be very, very surprised if these guys do get caught and prosecuted for their sick act.

**Detroit Stylin** · February-18-16, 02:18 AM

...is one of the realest posts I have seen since I joined this forum in 1998...

Originally Posted by G-DDT

It is a genocide if you see what groups dwell in what side of the poverty line. It is genocide when segregation is rampant in Detroit, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Boston, and pretty much everywhere else I traveled. You got a place like Harvard that represents every ethnicity except Latinos and African Americans, yet they make up a large portion of Somerville, Chelsea, Dorchester, Roxbury [[ugh, Roxbury), and Jamaica Plain. It's genocide when history has shown time and again how African Americans get served weightier sentences than the whites who commit the same crimes. We are told that statistics say African Americans suffer the highest mortality rate. Yet, read the newspapers in America's blackest city [[here), and what faces and names do you see in the obituaries? Not African Americans. So, not even in death are they forded dignity, so, they have to settle with T-shirts or a bunch of stuffed animals and candles on a corner.

Who fills most of the prisons? African Americans who grew up malnourished and poorly educated and mistreated in this world. Who gets executed the most? African Americans. That is called genocide. Even if it is a slow and systematically subtle version of it. How the Katrina crisis in New Orleans was handled was atrocious and genocidal.

This isn't outdated pontification [[even if a lot of these are things I already stated in threads about Ferguson, which hasn't ended as news reports still come in about how racist certain areas are in Missouri, and how Ferguson police were disproportionately white compared to the black neighborhood they subjugated). It hasn't changed.

The reason I stated "poor impetus", is prior to some profound edits made to this thread, the OP started it with a nasty "Who says black lives matter to other blacks?", and I wasn't going to let that go unchallenged. Yet, somehow the beginning of the thread was changed....

Conservatives can assume that those who criticize a problem [[especially if it's directed at them for problems they created) hate the country. Many of us bother to stay vigilant, avoid complacently and blindly accepting things for the rotten way they are, and speak up because we care enough to improve things.

To quote Jello Biafra:
"Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight..."

**warsaw7** · February-18-16, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by michmina

I wish I was in there when they did that, they'd be pretty sorry when they woke up.

Oh yeah you tell them hero.

**hybridy** · February-18-16, 09:47 AM

Race Baiting 101 — How to Race Bait
http://filmingcops.com/race-baiting-...-to-race-bait/

AMERICANS LIVE IN PERHAPS THE SAFEST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY, SO how has it come about that there are so many fears and scares in the air,and so many of them are unfounded? Why, as crime rates plunged over the past decade, did substantial numbers of Americans say in surveys that they believe the crime rate is rising or remaining steady? Why, despite numerous studies showing that the number of drug users declined substantially during past two decades, did large numbers of Americans rank drug use as the greatest danger to America's youth? Why, at a time when most Americans are living longer and healthier, do many people feel they are at great risk of early death from obscure disorders?

Americans spent billions of dollars apprehending and incarcerating people who present little or no danger to others, and turning schools into virtual prisons by means of security devices and personnel. Can anyone doubt that these funds would have saved or bettered more lives had they been put to use educating, treating, and feeding young Americans? Instead, in a culture of fear, politicians and advocacy groups use and abuse collective anxieties for narrow political gains. Having helped to instill fears, they capitalize upon them to win elections, to solicit campaign contributions, and to push through pet programs that tend to increase the coercive powers of the state.

http://www.penelopeironstone.com/Gla...rMongering.pdf

**Honky Tonk** · February-18-16, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by hybridy

Race Baiting 101 — How to Race Bait
http://filmingcops.com/race-baiting-...-to-race-bait/

AMERICANS LIVE IN PERHAPS THE SAFEST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY, SO how has it come about that there are so many fears and scares in the air,and so many of them are unfounded? Why, as crime rates plunged over the past decade, did substantial numbers of Americans say in surveys that they believe the crime rate is rising or remaining steady? Why, despite numerous studies showing that the number of drug users declined substantially during past two decades, did large numbers of Americans rank drug use as the greatest danger to America's youth? Why, at a time when most Americans are living longer and healthier, do many people feel they are at great risk of early death from obscure disorders?

Americans spent billions of dollars apprehending and incarcerating people who present little or no danger to others, and turning schools into virtual prisons by means of security devices and personnel. Can anyone doubt that these funds would have saved or bettered more lives had they been put to use educating, treating, and feeding young Americans? Instead, in a culture of fear, politicians and advocacy groups use and abuse collective anxieties for narrow political gains. Having helped to instill fears, they capitalize upon them to win elections, to solicit campaign contributions, and to push through pet programs that tend to increase the coercive powers of the state.

http://www.penelopeironstone.com/Gla...rMongering.pdf

Why are you shouting?

**Honky Tonk** · February-18-16, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by warsaw7

Oh yeah you tell them hero.

I suppose you could always spray-tag them......

**Honky Tonk** · February-18-16, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by G-DDT

There is a good point to consider why this was splashed up as a story? As a former homeless man, I heard these stories all the time from guys. Yet, no one puts up coverage about it. This got coverage, along with five to six other "black-involved" crime stories that night on the 11 o'clock [[some of them were unnecessary follow-up stories regarding black crimes from months ago that are leap-frogged and woven in as formidable filler for a nail-biting audience) news on ABC.

If there is any name to affix to these guys it is simply "weak". They obviously gang up and lash out at a feeble individual. If they weren't put up to it [[and if they were-for sanctioned terrorism sake-they probably won't get caught), one can't even begin to guess as to what brought it out of them. Did this poor individual represent all they hated about their neighborhood and wanted to distance themselves from? They obviously felt cocky enough to feel-that despite persistent evidence of surveillance everywhere you go-they were going to get away with it. I've seen far to many clips of poor folks sucker-punched or swarm beaten and nothing done about it.

I try to pay attention to odd stories that just happened, and how all parties involved [[law enforcement, media) either let go of it or want as little attention drawn to it.

For example: a shooting at a Zombiecon in Ft. Myers begged for suspect identification, yet, after November, nothing more came of it. No one apprehended. Maybe it was about drugs, maybe it was something personal.

One story that really bothered me was a home invasion on a couple and their elderly father in Hartland, MI a year ago. What I pieced together is that these white guys in their 30's were in what appeared some work van outside scoping things on a Saturday Night [[raised suspicions with the neighbors), come in and proceed to beat them [[Soviet harassment style) with a police baton, attack the father, and make off with no stolen itemshttp://www.wxyz.com/news/region/livi...pects-get-away, http://www.livingstondaily.com/story...tion/22074825/,and only a Foxnews source suggested money was involved. Was it about drugs or personal bad dealings? Did this couple deserve this? Was this couple involved with online white supremacists or child pornographers who deserved a little "outside justice"?-because they didn't look like either. Yet, it happened, and there was no follow-up the way certain black-involved crimes are clustered in with a big lump of spoon-fed fear on the evening news.

Better still, ask yourself why there was very little coverage over armed confrontational white idiots taking over an Oregon wildlife refuge. The community didn't even want them there. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._the_feds.htmlYet, despite what these racist militia types say, they were armed and itchy for blood. Which, it sadly turned into. Little coverage there...and many folks are right to ask what kind of treatment do non-whites and Muslims who engage in a peaceful demonstration get?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-a...b_8916268.html

The same question of follow-up should be applied as to why a guy who kills cops [[a COP-KILLER!) at a Planned Parenthood gets little press? Which is a little more enigmatic since is it about drawing attention away from a gun-toting, white, conservative, Obama-hating, Biblical-illiterate, anti-abortionist http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/robert...ive-age-white/or drawing attention away from what exactly was being done with the fetal tissue. Then again, there were folks who wanted to contort the issues that some guy shooting folks in a campus was not targeting Christians.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-of-cowardice/

ALLLL of that regardless, I'd be very, very surprised if these guys do get caught and prosecuted for their sick act.

You're absolutely correct, the right of our youth to punch old people using canes, square in the face and rob them, should not be taken away.

**Wesley Mouch** · February-18-16, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by G-DDT

It is a genocide if you see what groups dwell in what side of the poverty line. It is genocide when segregation is rampant in Detroit, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Boston, and pretty much everywhere else I traveled. ...snip...
To quote Jello Biafra:
"Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight..."

Except you don't fight. You give up. You allow evil to flourish.

You are guilty of genocide when you allow society to degrade by excusing evil act and transferring the guilt to others who support your cause, but you are chasing away by your intolerance and generalizations.

**hybridy** · February-18-16, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Why are you shouting?

just trying to capture attention. did it work?

**bust** · February-18-16, 06:46 PM

As someone passionate about journalism and photography, one of my biggest fish that got away stories was in 2004 of the obvious tag-team duo of the Fox news cameraman and the guy next to him with the sign damning fags leaning over the police barricade to yell and antagonize the otherwise wonderfully peaceful march past the RNC convention.

As someone passionate about journalism and audio, I'm incredibly gratified to have a recording of among other things the ginormous agent provocateur forcefully damning fags in the center of the officially sanctioned protest area.

**G-DDT** · February-18-16, 07:07 PM

Sigh-once again.

I am not excusing the actions of these guys.

Yet, if some folks had paid attention to this thread from it's introduction, the OP's original post started with "Who says Black Lives Matter to other blacks?" [[and was strangely edited and placed under a new thread with different title). It was, indeed, a hideous impetus to attache to a troubling video.

Nor am I one to give up. I clearly pay attention, actively archive, take part in community activism, and am willing to site exhaustive evidence [[and it's as if none of it ever gets acknowledged as some folks look past it all, refuse to weigh it all out, and reconsider their view on the big picture, but instead resume their far-flung emotionally driven verbal contortions to stubbornly maintain their dogmatic support for things like the "infallibility of the media".) regarding the errors of the media and the errors of those who used this story to attack race, as the media seemed to direct them.

Yet, one wants to label a "lack of Patriotism" for what is a just criticism. Great way to rely on good old ham-handed jingoistic idiocy there. And to make it a personal attack on me and grotesquely generalize where I am coming from [[as if anyone can rightfully assume they know anyone so well-but, hey, great way to spin things sophistically, bub.), when I won't allow someone to generalize the situation into how "irresponsible a racial group appears".

I despise what these guys did. I despise any attack made on poor or enfeebled persons. You force me to boast that as a member of the National Coalition for the Homeless and many Catholic Charities, I care enough more than most folks on DY to pay attention to every news story that covers an attack on a homeless person.

I don't believe these well-dressed guys are going to get caught. There will be no follow-up to this story. They acted with a manner so garish before they hopped into their nice car that it seemed just as sanctioned as the harassing manner of dozens of troublemakers I've encountered at dozens of shelters whom I think it odd not only don't get punished but actually promoted in position [[a Petri dish model for what we still continue to see elsewhere). It is Malthusian at it's core.

Want to destroy a culture?-get those sell-outs willing to misrepresent it. And make sure to have the footage available to splash it up the way it was. Want to turn folks against each other?-make situations oppressive and prod them like fighting dogs, and engineer it so only gangsta' rap prevails to replace all existing cultural representations of hip-hop, so only that mentality gets encouraged. Prod and harass folks. Show them police getting away with murder disproportionate to the "perceived threat" Pepper in "Agent Provocateurs" and agitators, and when it comes time to protest, things escalate into a misdirected riot that attacks the closest impoverished regions, and you better believe cameras will be there to capture it all with the motive to imply "Tsk.Tsk. look at those uncivil 'monkeys' go."

Thank you to those that did agree with the lengthy evidence and things I pointed out.

**bust** · February-18-16, 08:06 PM

Lightly edited:

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Except you don't fight. You give up. You allow evil to flourish.

You are guilty of genocide when you allow society to degrade by excusing evil act to others who support your cause but are chasing your generalizations.

Whoah
Fractals..,
Unfractals....
Not so simple.

**canuck** · February-18-16, 09:25 PM

I almost hate to say it because I know that your writing is sincere but I will say that your posts are master strokes. You get at the heart of things G-DDT. I like how you managed to eke out a freaked out, unrestrained statement from Wesley Mouch about "guilt, intolerance and gen-lizations, bruvvah. All in glorious, colorized sin-o-rama.

Oh, by the way, eh! Didja hear about Trump all fussy about da pope questioning his Christian faith? That was also a great TV moment. Meanwhile I am still rifleing through Obama's desk to find his birth certificate, and under his bed for a prayer rug. Salut!