Body found along Dequindre Cut

**Bham1982** · October-30-15, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

So in other words Detroit is no different then any other urban city in the world,and quickly becoming suburban,one needs to be aware of their surroundings and use common sense.

Actually no, that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Detroit is the most dangerous city anywhere in the developed world. It is most definitely not the same as Copenhagen or Vancouver or Kyoto or San Diego.

It's quite prudent to exercise caution when you're in the most dangerous major city anywhere, while obviously not going overboard and denying yourself good times. Stuff can happen, and if it happens, you can't rely on a police response. Reasonable caution is warranted at times.

**EastsideAl** · October-30-15, 11:30 AM

We really need to stop taking his constant troll bait.

**mikeinmotown** · November-03-15, 12:07 PM

I love walking and biking the cut. For all of you folks who are afraid of it don't go. We don't need you there.

**mikeinmotown** · November-03-15, 12:09 PM

Bham, stay in the suburbs where you think your safe. Detroit is not the most dangerous city in the developed world. Where do you get your knowledge from? Fox News?

**iheartthed** · November-03-15, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinmotown

Bham, stay in the suburbs where you think your safe. Detroit is not the most dangerous city in the developed world. Where do you get your knowledge from? Fox News?

Statistically speaking... Detroit isn't even the most dangerous city in Michigan.

**Bham1982** · November-03-15, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinmotown

Bham, stay in the suburbs where you think your safe. Detroit is not the most dangerous city in the developed world. Where do you get your knowledge from? Fox News?

Nope, I get my info from the FBI Uniform Crime Report, which ranks Detroit with the worst violent crime rate in the U.S.

What major city in the developed world is more dangerous?

**Bham1982** · November-03-15, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Statistically speaking... Detroit isn't even the most dangerous city in Michigan.

Given that there are no other major cities in Michigan, Detroit is both the safest and most dangerous major city in Michigan. Not sure what this has to do with anything.

**jt1** · November-03-15, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bham1982

Nope, I get my info from the FBI Uniform Crime Report, which ranks Detroit with the worst violent crime rate in the U.S.

What major city in the developed world is more dangerous?

First statement is incorrect: Detroit is the most dangerous city anywhere in the developed world

Second statement is incorrect: I get my info from the FBI Uniform Crime Report, which ranks Detroit with the worst violent crime rate in the U.S.

Third statement: now you add 'major city'

Move your goalposts much?

**jt1** · November-03-15, 04:20 PM

Also, you cite the UCR numbers. Please represent your analysis of the UCR data. You also cite your source but not the actual numbers which clearly means you make shit up, cite a source but won't actually present data to back up your statement.

**bust** · November-03-15, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bham1982

Nope, I get my info from the FBI Uniform Crime Report, which ranks Detroit with the worst violent crime rate in the U.S.

What major city in the developed world is more dangerous?

I was curious about this, so I downloaded the data from the FBI, and it's easy to crunch the numbers. Here are the 20 US cities with a population over 100,000 ranked by rate of violent crime per 1000 inhabitants, for 2014 and 2013:

2014
State	City	Violent Crime per 1000
TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	8.5100754001
MICHIGAN	DETROIT	8.4999192729
CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	8.0715645713
MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	7.169696418
CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	6.5778062416
MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	6.4062723332
WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	6.3980825725
OHIO	CLEVELAND	6.3235358355
ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	5.9383925064
MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	5.7769437392
NEW YORK	BUFFALO	5.7382655368
GEORGIA	ATLANTA	5.7203671678
MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	5.2952220556
TENNESSEE	NASHVILLE	5.1315692188
TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	5.1310030995
MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	4.9939447606
FLORIDA	MIAMI	4.9713906031
CALIFORNIA	SAN BERNARDINO	4.9458291729

2013
State	City	Violent Crime per 1000
CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	10.1612579756
MICHIGAN	DETROIT	10.0573090876
TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	8.230308762
MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	7.5934744462
OHIO	CLEVELAND	7.0018834424
MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	6.9523070771
ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	6.7173072186
ALABAMA	BIRMINGHAM	6.4999693398
WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	6.3914248383
CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	6.3276361259
MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	6.2189321911
CALIFORNIA	RICHMOND	6.1486291352
NEW YORK	BUFFALO	6.0087561682
NEW JERSEY	NEWARK	5.9875074574
GEORGIA	ATLANTA	5.9709103809
FLORIDA	MIAMI	5.6860280023
MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	5.5684340926
MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	5.3520503171
PENNSYLVANIA	PHILADELPHIA	5.2808705903
TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	5.0497428694

In most cases population numbers were not available for 2014 so in those cases I used the population for 2013 instead.

I've gotta run now, but if anyone's interested I can run reports on other types of crimes.

P.S: It's cool we can post tables here!

**jt1** · November-03-15, 04:30 PM

Thanks for the actual numbers bust. Bham doesn't really like to use actual data, just claims of sources then whatever the voices in his ridiculous little head tell him.

**iheartthed** · November-03-15, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bham1982

Given that there are no other major cities in Michigan, Detroit is both the safest and most dangerous major city in Michigan. Not sure what this has to do with anything.

I said nothing about major cities. Statistically speaking, Detroit is not the most dangerous city in Michigan. And if it ever was it probably hasn't been for a very long time.

**Richard** · November-03-15, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinmotown

I love walking and biking the cut. For all of you folks who are afraid of it don't go. We don't need you there.

Or for those that are afraid,maybe come check it out and see if your fears are unfounded,if so enjoy the ride and safety in numbers.

**DetBill** · November-03-15, 05:54 PM

I always find myself reading this thread so interesting,, I got back from my frequent ride/run/walk along the Cut, I live next door to it.. To accuse this area of being a crime haven, as some of our posters , who generally don't live anywhere near here.. is always laughable, Is Detroit dangerous at times? ofcourse parts of it is.. Is all of it all the time? No,,. youd be crazy to think that always.. Maybe Im just a lucky guy, but been downtown 23 years and not one incident yet and I am out all over daily,sometimes nightly, by foot. You have to use some common sense where and when you go to some areas and places,, But that is not rocket science, that goes for many, many places in our world. The Cut is a fabulous place, and about to get even better, unlike anything else anywhere in Metro.. Just met some kids from Royal Oak on it.. they said to me they love it and come down here often, wished they could"afford" to live downtown,, Now I'm not too sure I like that comment.. There should be room for everyone, as best as we can enable it.. but to get my point across,, Please stop trashing us all the time, our life here is really quite nice. We do not run around scared to death when we step out, there are tons of regular people of all types here,, and its growing monthly.and there is constantly tons of things to do, , sports, restaurants,, incomparable in metro cultural institutions, athletic facilities,, great markets , and a incredible riverfront. Hey was in Birmingham last Friday night,, very nice very affluent, but just not for me, far to much of everyone being a certain image type,, to each his/her own. You have to live where you are happiest.

**Richard** · November-03-15, 06:13 PM

/\ Very nicely put,I guess one needs to take everything one says with a grain of salt,but it does seem at times there are some that no matter how positive the city is they will be standing there with a hammer trying to pound it back into the ground.

But it is also good to hear it all,the good,bad and the ugly as long as somebody is willing to counter the bad and ugly in order to get a fair perspective.

**bust** · November-03-15, 07:58 PM

Iheartthed makes a good point. The FBI only published statistics for cities with a population of 100,000 or more, and counts only two in Michigan: Detroit and Grand Rapids. It's definitely possible some smaller Michigan cities have a higher rate of per capita crime. It's just not available from the FBI data I found.

And per capita data is only one way of looking at crime. If you calculate violent crime per square mile within the city, the rankings totally change. The FBI does not provide land area in their data, so I had to manually retrieve this information myself. I took the time to do that for the 20 cities with the highest rates of per capita crime [[source: wikipedia). Unsurprisingly, Detroit shifts down the list. If I had done that for all cities, not just the 20 with the worst per capita crime, I'm pretty sure it would drop lower.

I'll paste this data for your perusal in my next posts.

As to Bham1982's question what other cities in the developed world are more dangerous, it's of course a subjective determination what constitutes a developed city. I think it would be difficult to argue cities like Sao Paulo, Rio, and others in South America still don't count as "developed". And if they do, the easy answer is it's considerably more dangerous in those cities, and others there.

Finally, in no way do I intend to disparage Detroit with this data. And I am not scared to walk the Dequindre Cut. I know dangers vary. There are parts of the city where I'd be happy to live. But I think everyone here knows Detroit has a violent crime problem, and the data illustrate it. In reality, any violent crime is too much. Every major American city has this problem to address. I don't have to tell you: the U.S. is a much more violent country than most in the "developed" world.

That said, I'm with those who think it's unfortunate some people jumped to conclusions when the news of the body broke. And worse than unfortunate if anyone took perverse pleasure thinking it was further proof of the city's demise.

Those that did, I wonder how much their perspective has been shaped by first hand experience, and how much by the local news they see. Every time I return home to Detroit I'm disappointed by the local news on TV. I don't know a city whose local TV news place such an emphasis on crime and mayhem as they do in Detroit [[or Southfield, as they may be). It does no service to the city or its inhabitants to place such a focus on the negative. Crime is an important issue, but it must be handled responsibly. Not just by law enforcement, and by Detroit's citizenry, also by the news media who shape the perspectives we see. They are especially important shaping the perspectives of Detroit's neighbors, whose participation and collaboration on solutions the city needs.

**bust** · November-03-15, 08:03 PM

The Data, Part 1:

2014 Violent Crime per 1000 Residents
Rank	State	City	Population	Area [[square miles)	Violent Crime	V C per 1000	V C per Square Mile
1	TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	403,887	315.1	5597	8.5101	17.7626
2	MICHIGAN	DETROIT	699,889	138.75	5949	8.4999	42.8757
3	CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	657,691	55.79	3260	8.0716	58.4376
4	MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	318,563	62.00	2284	7.1697	36.8387
5	CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	389,181	61.67	1972	6.5778	31.9766
6	MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	622,671	80.90	3989	6.4063	49.3078
7	WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	150,209	96.12	3844	6.3981	39.9917
8	OHIO	CLEVELAND	212,001	77.70	2461	6.3235	31.6731
9	ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	600,805	61.00	892	5.9384	14.6230
10	MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	299,796	81.72	942	5.7769	11.5272
11	NEW YORK	BUFFALO	465,514	40.60	1485	5.7383	36.5764
12	GEORGIA	ATLANTA	107,341	133.20	2580	5.7204	19.3694
13	MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	258,789	314.95	2465	5.2952	7.8266
14	TENNESSEE	NASHVILLE	278,246	504.03	3262	5.1316	6.4718
15	TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	451,020	135.20	884	5.1310	6.5385
16	MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	418,394	32.10	767	4.9939	23.8941
17	FLORIDA	MIAMI	163,062	35.68	2080	4.9714	58.2960
18	CALIFORNIA	SAN BERNARDINO	153,586	59.20	1060	4.9458	17.9051
19	PENNSYLVANIA	PHILADELPHIA	1,553,153	134.10	7661	4.9325	57.1290
20	ILLINOIS	SPRINGFIELD	172,286	59.48	575	4.8998	9.6671

2013 Violent Crime per 1000 Residents
Rank	State	City	Population	Area [[sqare miles)	Violent Crime	V C per 1000	V C per Square Mile
1	CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	403,887	55.79	4104	10.1613	73.5668
2	MICHIGAN	DETROIT	699,889	138.75	7039	10.0573	50.7315
3	TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	657,691	315.10	5413	8.2303	17.1787
4	MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	318,563	62.00	2419	7.5935	39.0161
5	OHIO	CLEVELAND	389,181	77.70	2725	7.0019	35.0708
6	MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	622,671	80.90	4329	6.9523	53.5105
7	ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	150,209	61.00	1009	6.7173	16.5410
8	ALABAMA	BIRMINGHAM	212,001	146.07	1378	6.5000	9.4338
9	WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	600,805	96.12	3840	6.3914	39.9501
10	CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	299,796	61.67	1897	6.3276	30.7605
11	MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	465,514	314.95	2895	6.2189	9.1919
12	CALIFORNIA	RICHMOND	107,341	30.07	660	6.1486	21.9502
13	NEW YORK	BUFFALO	258,789	40.60	1555	6.0088	38.3005
14	NEW JERSEY	NEWARK	278,246	133.20	1666	5.9875	12.5075
15	GEORGIA	ATLANTA	451,020	133.20	2693	5.9709	20.2177
16	FLORIDA	MIAMI	418,394	35.68	2379	5.6860	66.6760
17	MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	163,062	81.72	908	5.5684	11.1111
18	MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	153,586	32.10	822	5.3521	25.6075
19	PENNSYLVANIA	PHILADELPHIA	1,553,153	134.10	8202	5.2809	61.1633
20	TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	172,286	135.20	870	5.0497	6.4349

**bust** · November-03-15, 08:04 PM

Part 2:

2014 Violent Crime per Square Mile
Rank	State	City	Population	Area [[Square Miles)	Violent Crime	V C per 1000	V C per Square Mile
1	CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	657,691	55.79	3260	8.0716	58.4376
2	FLORIDA	MIAMI	163,062	35.68	2080	4.9714	58.2960
3	PENNSYLVANIA	PHILADELPHIA	1,553,153	134.10	7661	4.9325	57.1290
4	MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	622,671	80.90	3989	6.4063	49.3078
5	MICHIGAN	DETROIT	699,889	138.75	5949	8.4999	42.8757
6	WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	150,209	96.12	3844	6.3981	39.9917
7	MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	318,563	62.00	2284	7.1697	36.8387
8	NEW YORK	BUFFALO	465,514	40.60	1485	5.7383	36.5764
9	CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	389,181	61.67	1972	6.5778	31.9766
10	OHIO	CLEVELAND	212,001	77.70	2461	6.3235	31.6731
11	MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	418,394	32.10	767	4.9939	23.8941
12	GEORGIA	ATLANTA	107,341	133.20	2580	5.7204	19.3694
13	CALIFORNIA	SAN BERNARDINO	153,586	59.20	1060	4.9458	17.9051
14	TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	403,887	315.1	5597	8.5101	17.7626
15	ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	600,805	61.00	892	5.9384	14.6230
16	MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	299,796	81.72	942	5.7769	11.5272
17	ILLINOIS	SPRINGFIELD	172,286	59.48	575	4.8998	9.6671
18	MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	258,789	314.95	2465	5.2952	7.8266
19	TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	451,020	135.20	884	5.1310	6.5385
20	TENNESSEE	NASHVILLE	278,246	504.03	3262	5.1316	6.4718

2013 Violent Crime per Square Mile
Rank	State	City	Population	Area [[Square Miles)	Violent Crime	V C per 1000	V C per Square Mile
1	CALIFORNIA	OAKLAND	403,887	55.79	4104	10.1613	73.5668
2	FLORIDA	MIAMI	418,394	35.68	2379	5.6860	66.6760
3	PENNSYLVANIA	PHILADELPHIA	1,553,153	134.10	8202	5.2809	61.1633
4	MARYLAND	BALTIMORE	622,671	80.90	4329	6.9523	53.5105
5	MICHIGAN	DETROIT	699,889	138.75	7039	10.0573	50.7315
6	WISCONSIN	MILWAUKEE	600,805	96.12	3840	6.3914	39.9501
7	MISSOURI	ST. LOUIS	318,563	62.00	2419	7.5935	39.0161
8	NEW YORK	BUFFALO	258,789	40.60	1555	6.0088	38.3005
9	OHIO	CLEVELAND	389,181	77.70	2725	7.0019	35.0708
10	CALIFORNIA	STOCKTON	299,796	61.67	1897	6.3276	30.7605
11	MASSACHUSETTS	SPRINGFIELD	153,586	32.10	822	5.3521	25.6075
12	CALIFORNIA	RICHMOND	107,341	30.07	660	6.1486	21.9502
13	GEORGIA	ATLANTA	451,020	133.20	2693	5.9709	20.2177
14	TENNESSEE	MEMPHIS	657,691	315.10	5413	8.2303	17.1787
15	ILLINOIS	ROCKFORD	150,209	61.00	1009	6.7173	16.5410
16	NEW JERSEY	NEWARK	278,246	133.20	1666	5.9875	12.5075
17	MISSOURI	SPRINGFIELD	163,062	81.72	908	5.5684	11.1111
18	ALABAMA	BIRMINGHAM	212,001	146.07	1378	6.5000	9.4338
19	MISSOURI	KANSAS CITY	465,514	314.95	2895	6.2189	9.1919
20	TENNESSEE	CHATTANOOGA	172,286	135.20	870	5.0497	6.4349

A few notes on the data:

1) At first I accidentally listed only 18 cities for per capita crime for 2014. I've corrected that.
2) Strangely, there were three cities named Springfield among the to 20 most violent major US cities [[per capita) in 2014.
3) I thought Detroit is big by land area. Memphis is more than twice as big, Nashville 3.63 times the size!

**iheartthed** · November-03-15, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by bust

Iheartthed makes a good point. The FBI only published statistics for cities with a population of 100,000 or more, and counts only two in Michigan: Detroit and Grand Rapids. It's definitely possible some smaller Michigan cities have a higher rate of per capita crime. It's just not available from the FBI data I found.

We can extrapolate from recent history.

February 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, updated February 19, 2014 at 7:29 PM

FLINT, MI – It's a dubious title that no city wants, and Flint had it three years in a row.
But thanks to a 26 percent drop in violent crime in the first six months of 2013, Flint no longer can be dubbed the "most dangerous city in America." That title now belongs to Oakland, Calif., with Flint coming in second.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/inde..._top_spot.html

**mikeinmotown** · November-04-15, 12:54 PM

OK all of you Detroit nay slayers. It wasn't a murder, it was a suicide. I just love how many people just want to bash Detroit without ever finding out the facts. The poor guy wasn't even from Michigan.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/10/cause_of_death_identity_of_bod.html

**canuck** · November-04-15, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinmotown

OK all of you Detroit nay slayers. It wasn't a murder, it was a suicide. I just love how many people just want to bash Detroit without ever finding out the facts. The poor guy wasn't even from Michigan.
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2015/10/cause_of_death_identity_of_bod.html

OOps!

Nay slayers; that's a prizewinner.