While in Flint, Don't drink their water

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The 247 pages of emails released this week include only the Governor’s communications --- not emails among his staff. They also miss 2013, the origin of the crisis. They’re also heavily redacted. But they do shed some light:

You all should check what On The Media had to say about it:

http://www.onthemedia.org/story/figuring-flint-out/

[Jimaz]

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And it begins!!!

Snyder has been hit with a Subpoena to present copies of all emails, text messages and documents related to the Flint Water Crisis...

http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/G...366528731.html

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Exclusive: Gov. Rick Snyder’s Men Originally Rejected Using Flint’s Toxic River

An emergency manager said no to using the river in 2012 after speaking to environmental regulators. An ex-Flint official said the governor’s office reversed that decision.


DETROIT — The emergency manager for Flint, Michigan, appointed by Gov. Rick Snyder in 2012, rejected using the city’s river as drinking water after consulting with the state’s environmental protection agency.

Snyder appointed Ed Kurtz to be Flint’s second emergency manager and Kurtz selected Jerry Ambrose to be the city’s chief financial officer. Both men were tasked by the Republican governor’s administration with restructuring the city’s government to save money after it was in danger of becoming insolvent. One cost-saving measure considered was to quit buying municipal water from Detroit.

In a civil deposition not reported until now, Ambrose testified under oath that emergency manager Kurtz considered a proposal to use the Flint River, discussed the option with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, and then rejected it.

In 2014, Ambrose was deposed in a civil lawsuit brought by retired Flint municipal workers against the state over severe cuts to their health care benefits. Attorney Alec Gibbs questioned Ambrose about the water decision [[a year before Flint learned it was being poisoned).

“There was brief evaluation of whether the city would be better off to simply use the Flint River as its primary source of water over the long term,” Ambrose said. “That was determined not to be feasible.”

“Who determined it wasn’t feasible?” Gibbs asked.

“It was a collective decision of the emergency management team based on conversations with the MDEQ that indicated they would not be supportive of the use of the Flint River on a long-term basis as a primary source of water,” Ambrose answered.

“What was the reason they gave?” Gibbs asked.

“You’ll have to ask them,” Ambrose said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...xic-river.html

[RaumVogel]

So many contradictions how knows what the truth is: http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/environ...n-in-the-city/


Edit: Ok,my bad.The link in that articled goes to an Mlive article from March 2015.I'll try to remember to never go to that site again.

[313WX]

So many contradictions how knows what the truth is: http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/environ...n-in-the-city/

I'm pretty sure news from a satire site wouldn't be the truth.

[archfan]

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Civil liability is a different, much lower standard and it is certainly possible some people are successfully sued for damages.

Unfortunately, the State will have the deepest pockets in the coming civil suits. There goes the budget surplus.

[Wesley Mouch]

And it begins!!!

Snyder has been hit with a Subpoena to present copies of all emails, text messages and documents related to the Flint Water Crisis...

As it should be. The problem here is certainly legitimate and needs to be investigated.

I trust they'll also be subpoenaing the Democrats [[EPA, local officials) as well. If they don't, it tell you something. The article didn't seem to think anyone else might be involved. Except Snyder and his cronies, there's nothing wrong.

[mwilbert]

As it should be. The problem here is certainly legitimate and needs to be investigated.

I trust they'll also be subpoenaing the Democrats [[EPA, local officials) as well. If they don't, it tell you something. The article didn't seem to think anyone else might be involved. Except Snyder and his cronies, there's nothing wrong.

I expect there will be no shortage of subpoenas, but "Snyder and his cronies" were the ones who were actually making the decisions, and have to expect to get the bulk of the scrutiny.

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So Mary Barra [[less than 6 months into her job) was summoned to testify in front of Congress for actions taken by a [[relatively) low-level employee at General Motors that doesn't directly report to her, yet Snyder [[at the helm for 5+ years) who appointed every single individual that had a hand in the Flint Water Crisis gets off scot-free.

Certainly no double standard or suspicion there!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...yder/79424392/

U.S. House panel plans Flint hearing without Snyder

[Smirnoff]

Help - still lookin' where to signup for the class-action suit.....

[Jimaz]

Officials: Bathing in Flint water OK despite rashes

State health officials Wednesday repeated a recommendation that Flint parents can bathe children in the city’s water, despite an increase in rashes reported in the past couple of weeks.

An advisory from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said there is “no scientific link” between Flint water and skin rashes that began appearing after the city switched from the Detroit system’s Lake Huron water to Flint River water in April 2014....

Hanna-Attisha, the pediatrician whose research uncovered a spike in lead poisoning among Flint children, said a connection with the water can’t be ruled out.

I doubt anyone's going to pay much attention to reassurances from state health officials at this point.

What they need instead is some independent bulldog to come in and do some hard science — something like Richard Feynman's role in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.

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Officials: Bathing in Flint water OK despite rashes
I doubt anyone's going to pay much attention to reassurances from state health officials at this point.

What they need instead is some independent bulldog to come in and do some hard science — something like Richard Feynman's role in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.

Scientific links take a very long time and considerable resources to prove. Incredibly longer and many more resources if a powerful vested interest doesn't like the results. Just look at how long the tobacco industry was able to drag out proving the scientific link between smoking and its negative health effects. You can probably still find some who say a scientific link has yet to be proven. Witness how long the fossil fuel industry has been able to challenge a scientific link between the use of their products and an effect on our climate.

It would add insult to injury if our own government tries to play the same game.

[Jimaz]

Scientific links take a very long time and considerable resources to prove. Incredibly longer and many more resources if a powerful vested interest doesn't like the results....

That's why they need a bulldog like Feynman to punch through all that foot dragging. Click the Feynman link. He bypassed the bureaucrats and put an end to it. [[Unfortunately he's no longer with us.)

Of course this is assuming authorities actually want to resolve the issue. There's the problem.

[ABetterDetroit]

Officials: Bathing in Flint water OK despite rashes
I doubt anyone's going to pay much attention to reassurances from state health officials at this point.

What they need instead is some independent bulldog to come in and do some hard science — something like Richard Feynman's role in the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.

That is exactly what is needed in this disaster. Unfortunately nobody made the command to save all the data, power down and lock all the doors.

[Jimaz]

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[Wesley Mouch]

I expect there will be no shortage of subpoenas, but "Snyder and his cronies" were the ones who were actually making the decisions, and have to expect to get the bulk of the scrutiny.

And scrutiny is appropriate. Snyder is and should be accountable for his actions. I have little doubt that Snyder's career is over because this happened on his watch. I'm with you that far.

Where I'm not with you is that Snyder/cronies made the decisions. Snyder appointed people. He influenced policy. Certainly true. [[Same as Obama influences immigration policy by executive action -- nothing wrong there either).

Snyder didn't dream up the idea of using Flint River water. It was already the backup source. Snyder and team played the cards they were dealt. Detroit Water battle. Flint as backup source. New source coming online they could join. Financial emergency in progress. Local water board, state DEQ, and EPA that apparently didn't have a way to see or react to the problem. That was all in-place.

Snyder did what executives do. Made decisions. Set policy. And that policy was reasonable. It turned out horribly.

He deserves scrutiny. Absolutely. And unless the facts prove otherwise, no more blame than dozens of others. Heck, we could blame the UAW for their policy of striking against GM that resulted in the economic collapse of Flint that prevented replacement of the lead pipes. You can blame anyone if you try hard enough. The effort to pin this on Snyder is impressive for its energy -- not its intellectual rigor.

[compn]

Help - still lookin' where to signup for the class-action suit.....

http://pittlawpc.com/ is one of the class action lawyers involved. theres a questionairre on the site, good luck

the head lawyer there michael pitt was interviewed on off the record with tim skubic, if you want to watch that interview.
http://video.wkar.org/video/2365648715/

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http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/arch...gs-in-jan-2015

Snyder admin trucked clean water into Flint state buildings in Jan 2015

We don't think anything could surprise us at this point.

New emails from the Department of Technology, Management and Budget [[DTMB) show that the Snyder administration secretly trucked clean water to Flint's state house in January 2015, nearly nine months before Gov. Snyder publicly acknowledged the elevated lead levels in Flint's drinking water, and nearly a year to the day before Snyder declared Genesee County, home to Flint, a state of emergency.

The docs, obtained by Progress Michigan, show the January 7, 2015 announcement that water coolers would be delivered to each floor of Flint's state house. The facility notification explains that the water coolers would be placed next to water fountains so that government employees "can choose which water to drink."

[Wesley Mouch]

http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/arch...gs-in-jan-2015

Snyder admin trucked clean water into Flint state buildings in Jan 2015

Same can be said of dozens of other customers of bottle water companies. What's your point?

Is it possible that Snyder directed his administrator to get bottled water for the office because Snyder didn't want to kill bureaucrats? Perhaps Snyder realized that some of the bureaucrats were white [[with privilege), and thought they didn't deserve to drink his poisoned water?

Or maybe someone just wanted bottled water? Its pretty reasonable. Especially if the local water just turned nasty.

This actually proves that there wasn't a conspiracy to keep it quiet. Nixon could've taught Snyder better.

If that's the c

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Same can be said of dozens of other customers of bottle water companies. What's your point?

Is it possible that Snyder directed his administrator to get bottled water for the office because Snyder didn't want to kill bureaucrats? Perhaps Snyder realized that some of the bureaucrats were white [[with privilege), and thought they didn't deserve to drink his poisoned water?

Or maybe someone just wanted bottled water? Its pretty reasonable. Especially if the local water just turned nasty.

This actually proves that there wasn't a conspiracy to keep it quiet. Nixon could've taught Snyder better.

If that's the c

But earlier, you defended to the death Snyder's claim that he didn't know anything about the water being "nasty" until the time he claimed [[October 2015).

So which is it? In what creative way are you going to defend Snyder this time?

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State panel rejects Snyder recall petitions


http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...oday/79449966/

...The other petition was from Flint resident and community activist Quincy Murphy. He wants to recall Snyder for "failing to protect the health and safety of the citizens of Flint, which has resulted in a state of emergency for Genesee County due to toxic lead levels in the drinking water."

Murphy told the board Snyder "failed on numerous occasions" and admitted to it in his State of the State address this month. Murphy submitted as evidence the state's emergency declaration for Genesee County and other documents.

Snyder attorney John Pirich said the Murphy petition does not meet the legal standard because it "consists of Mr. Murphy's unsubstantiated opinions and conclusions." The same applies to all of the petitions submitted by Brown, Pirich said...

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http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2016/01/29/gov-snyder-heckled-in-downtown-ann-arbor

Gov. Snyder heckled in downtown Ann Arbor

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

So Mary Barra [[less than 6 months into her job) was summoned to testify in front of Congress for actions taken by a [[relatively) low-level employee at General Motors that doesn't directly report to her, yet Snyder [[at the helm for 5+ years) who appointed every single individual that had a hand in the Flint Water Crisis gets off scot-free.

Certainly no double standard or suspicion there!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...yder/79424392/

I would have been very surprised if the GOP Congress were to compel the GOP Governor to be there.

U.S. House panel plans Flint hearing without Snyder

I would have been very surprised if the GOP Congress were to compel the GOP Governor to be there.

[Jimaz]

Now I'm hearing on WWJ that even the Flint water that has been filtered still has too much lead. The filters only work on water that has a high — but not too high — amount of lead.

Yikes!