Syria's Loss Detroit's Gain? Proposal to Settle Refugees in Northtown

[DetroitBoy]

Help them - with WHOSE MONEY !?!?!?!?!?!? How about the residents in Detroit who have suffered already due to lack of support from outside to provide AMERICAN CITIZENS with opportunities. If you want to start a riot - bring in some completely foreign people and start giving them welfare checks and let the long-suffering citizens see that happening. It would make the late 60's look like a picnic! NO! No one comes in unless they have something to contribute to the city. First off, they need to come in pre-employed [[i.e. with a job). Don't see how Syrian refugees who don't speak English just coming off the boat will have any of that.

The Syrian refugees will bring a lot more to the City of Detroit than those who have been milking it dry for years. For your information, many of them do speak English, are well educated and are not looking for handouts. When you see the horrible circumstances these people have been forced to endure, what you have in Detroit starts to look very good:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/sunday...refugee-crisis

No doubt, these Syrians will have the will and means to fight for their quality of life in Detroit and not be bullied by anyone. They come here with not much more than what they can carry. Any public money used to help these people would be money well spent for the City of Detroit. They will come into ghetto neighborhoods destroyed by people who have no respect for anyone, work hard to improve them and build a vibrant community. I would welcome them to the City and do whatever I could to help their community flourish.

[Honky Tonk]

The Syrian refugees will bring a lot more to the City of Detroit than those who have been milking it dry for years. For your information, many of them do speak English, are well educated and are not looking for handouts. When you see the horrible circumstances these people have been forced to endure, what you have in Detroit starts to look very good:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/sunday...refugee-crisis

No doubt, these Syrians will have the will and means to fight for their quality of life in Detroit and not be bullied by anyone. They come here with not much more than what they can carry. Any public money used to help these people would be money well spent for the City of Detroit. They will come into ghetto neighborhoods destroyed by people who have no respect for anyone, work hard to improve them and build a vibrant community. I would welcome them to the City and do whatever I could to help their community flourish.

I heard they'll even be able to teach pigs to fly!

[Honky Tonk]

So let's say we have 5,000 immigrants. That's many times more workload than a single doctor can handle. So we don't need a doctor who can speak English. We need a doc who speaks their language. They have their own client base.

The certification problem is a problem with our system. Not a problem with the refugees. I'm not interested in systems designed to protect industries. If they are college educated doctors will real talents, our system should find a way to use their talents.

Is this "Doctor that speaks their language" working gratis, or is someone, [[guess who) paying him for distributing this free medical care? And I don't think you get the point. They won't be able to practice medicine here because their countries standards for practicing medicine are different then ours. So, if this Doctor decides to pursue a medical career in the USA, he can't until he completes schooling and passes his/hers certs. Meanwhile, who's footing the bill for all of this in a City that's bankrupt? Who pays for schooling, housing, food, medical care, etc., etc., etc. while they're going to school? I don't care WHO the certifications are designed to protect. They're there, and you need to have one to be gainfully employed as a doctor or lawyer. A lot of pipe dreams.

[Wesley Mouch]

Help them - with WHOSE MONEY !?!?!?!?!?!? How about the residents in Detroit who have suffered already due to lack of support from outside to provide AMERICAN CITIZENS with opportunities. If you want to start a riot - bring in some completely foreign people and start giving them welfare checks and let the long-suffering citizens see that happening. It would make the late 60's look like a picnic! NO! No one comes in unless they have something to contribute to the city. First off, they need to come in pre-employed [[i.e. with a job). Don't see how Syrian refugees who don't speak English just coming off the boat will have any of that.

Whose money? We'll have to figure that out. It ought to be the federal governments -- but that doesn't matter. And if the residents whose leaders stole their money and drove the city into bankruptcy are pissed off -- too bad.

You really are being mean. They don't have anything to offer? Pre-employed? By that standard, many to most our families would have never been let in the US. Try reading the Statue of Liberty. The US was built by immigrants who came to the US, integrated with society, and made contributions. What you've said is exactly what was said about Italians [[and many others) once.

Try love next. Might work better.

[oladub]

Refugee streams from both Libya and Syria are the direct result of Obama's failed interventionist foreign policies. He helped overthrow Khaddafi and consequently threw Libya into a near Somalia level of chaos. Obama and a significant percentage of Republican neocons have since tried to destabilize and overthrow Assad thereby inadvertently, I think, allowing IS to fill the void and creating a refugee stream. Now we have Syrian and Iraqi deserters showing up as "refugees". The more who desert, the sooner we will be sending our own young people to replace them to fight IS. The long range solution would be get off Assad's back, give the Kurds the weapons they need, and stop incentivizing desertions from the Iraqi and Syrian armies with refugee status for males under 35. If the federal government has money to spend on Syrians instead of Americans, it would be better spent improving life in mid-east refugee camps instead of bringing problems home.

[compn]

The Syrian refugees will bring a lot more to the City of Detroit than those who have been milking it dry for years.

the refugees will be replacing the mayor, city council, wayne county executive and his fail jail, turkia mullen, forclosure banks, sam riddle, et all?

awesome!

[canuck]

I heard they'll even be able to teach pigs to fly!

Yes, notice how Detroitboy colors his posts with less nuance and higher contrast as time goes on. Present day Detroiters have destroyed the city and the angelic Syrians will rebuild along the lines of Father Richard's old motto. Bring in the Damascenes: they know a thing or two about city building, yeah right.

[DetroitBoy]

Why Canuck, I didn't know you were such a big fan. Thank you for your support!

Good to see the 13 years of schooling in Canada has made you an expert on the Syrian civil war. When people say Canadians are so dumb they need and extra year of High School, it's good to see you prove that stereotype isn't true.

[Cliffy]

Yes, notice how Detroitboy colors his posts with less nuance and higher contrast as time goes on. Present day Detroiters have destroyed the city and the angelic Syrians will rebuild along the lines of Father Richard's old motto. Bring in the Damascenes: they know a thing or two about city building, yeah right.

Present day Detroiters are continuing to destroy the city unfortunately. At least with Syrian refugees, they will cut their grass, open up shops, not burn every house down, not rob everyone etc..

[Honky Tonk]

Present day Detroiters are continuing to destroy the city unfortunately. At least with Syrian refugees, they will cut their grass, open up shops, not burn every house down, not rob everyone etc..

You have no proof whatsoever that that's what will happen. Just another feel-good post about all the Syrian Doctors and Lawyers and Corporate CEOs that are coming into Detroit with bags of money and making it right again.

[Richard]

Present day Detroiters are continuing to destroy the city unfortunately. At least with Syrian refugees, they will cut their grass, open up shops, not burn every house down, not rob everyone etc..

Not sure about that I see lots of cases where Detroiters are are doing all of the above,maybe just a wee bit of support there would not hurt?

They do not have any money so how are they going to open up shops,buy houses to mow the lawn let alone buy a lawn mower or the gas and oil.

You are talking about taking somebody and dumping them into a situation where they do not have a clue about the system,where to shop,what buy to eat,no English,how to even bank or apply for a job that they really cannot apply for,no support system,kinda like taking a new born baby and in one day they are thirty years old and dumping them into the middle of the city.

Of course we did that to 400,000 undocumented last year so it should be okay.

Press 1 for English
Press 2 for Spanish
Press 3 for Syrian
Soon it is going to take 30 minutes on the phone just to get to a call center where nobody speaks English anyways..

There have been 170 brought into the state already,how come nothing has been written as to how they are doing?

[canuck]

Detroitboy is totally right. Canadianz are uneducaided so let's lasso us some Syrianz for a better Detroit.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

You are talking about taking somebody and dumping them into a situation where they do not have a clue about the system,where to shop,what buy to eat,no English,how to even bank or apply for a job that they really cannot apply for,no support system,kinda like taking a new born baby and in one day they are thirty years old and dumping them into the middle of the city.

Now that's quite a stretch. I hardly think dumping them in a neighborhood to fend for themselves with no services is what the Arab American and Chaldean Council is proposing.

[Richard]

Now that's quite a stretch. I hardly think dumping them in a neighborhood to fend for themselves with no services is what the Arab American and Chaldean Council is proposing.

Well maybe a stretch but the feds are not going to just throw millions of support money into the air for the refugees to catch,the money has to be funneled through somebody or an organization who then disperses it into the street level.

After administration fees are deducted.

Nobody or no organization has come out and explained what the status or costs involved in the 170 that are already in the state.

Why is that?

It was not a proposal,it was using the media to gain public support for a bid for funding a non profit entity,nothing wrong with that as long as all the cards are put on the table up front.

So what we can do is glean some information from outside sources and then we can decide what is real or not.

It costs $1000 per month,per family in support. You decide if a family of 3 can live on $1000 per month.Food,clothing,shelter,transportation,medical ,etc.etc.

Funding comes from federal support,local government support,and private support,nobody has come out and said that it is 100% federal funds.

Children must enroll and be active in school with in the first 30 days,poor child does not even speak English and expected to sit in a classroom.

Parents must be actively seeking employment.

These are excerpts from the web,put out in statements by other non profits,to gain support.

once again everybody putting lots time and effort to gain funding for a cause when we have enough causes on our own.

But on the other hand if the millions can be used to rebuild a neighborhood it would be in the public goods best interest as a whole,but is doing it this way the most ethical way to go about it.

[Richard]

Detroitboy is totally right. Canadianz are uneducaided so let's lasso us some Syrianz for a better Detroit.

Well they are building lots of new subdivisions in Windsor,maybe they would be comfortable there and Dave can be the organizer.

[CassTechGrad]

What jobs?? Put these people to work first.

The Michigan Chronicle, Jul 28, 2015:

“We know that the unemployment rate is at least double, perhaps triple the 13.1% reported for Detroit. The rate does not include those who are no longer seeking employment or receiving unemployment benefits. Recent research conducted for JP Morgan Chase indicated that there were 175,000 Detroiters in the labor pool who were not working and are not actively seeking a job.”

“According to estimates by The National Institute for Literacy, roughly 47 percent of adults in Detroit, Michigan — 200,000 total — are “functionally illiterate,”meaning they have trouble with reading, speaking, writing and computational skills. Even more surprisingly, the Detroit Regional Workforce finds half of that illiterate population has obtained a high school degree.”

[Cliffy]

You have no proof whatsoever that that's what will happen. Just another feel-good post about all the Syrian Doctors and Lawyers and Corporate CEOs that are coming into Detroit with bags of money and making it right again.

No, but how many Doctors and Lawyers went to Dearborn in the late 80's and early 90's. Most of the people at that time worked at party stores, gas stations etc.. but these people work like animals. I remember going to school with these people back then and their parents were working at party stores 7 days a week, 12 hours a day or gas stations from opening to closing. All we need is some people that will work hard and keep their houses in good condition. Another good example is the Bangladeshi people in Hamtramck. These people aren't educated but they aren't ghetto thugs. They are just willing to work hard.

[DetroitBoy]

What jobs?? Put these people to work first.

The Michigan Chronicle, Jul 28, 2015:

“We know that the unemployment rate is at least double, perhaps triple the 13.1% reported for Detroit. The rate does not include those who are no longer seeking employment or receiving unemployment benefits. Recent research conducted for JP Morgan Chase indicated that there were 175,000 Detroiters in the labor pool who were not working and are not actively seeking a job.”

“According to estimates by The National Institute for Literacy, roughly 47 percent of adults in Detroit, Michigan — 200,000 total — are “functionally illiterate,”meaning they have trouble with reading, speaking, writing and computational skills. Even more surprisingly, the Detroit Regional Workforce finds half of that illiterate population has obtained a high school degree.”

Put them to work doing what? They have no skills and are functionally illiterate. Are you suggesting it is the State's responsibility to provide free education, monthly support for rent and food which increases with every additional child, free healthcare, legal council when they break the law and free incarceration when they go to jail no matter how many times ? When does personal responsibility start and social injustice end? How many generations?

The Syrian refuges will bring needed population to the City. Cities in this country rose due to immigrants who came, brought the needed labor and dedication and grew to contribute to society. The Syrians will do the same. Many are well educated. They can only help Detroit recover and repopulate with hard working people.


http://www.goteborgdaily.se/high-edu...ian-refugees-1

[Cliffy]

Unless you have a medical condition, I don't understand how you can be born in the US and still can't read. Especially nearly half of adults. No excuses. No matter what you do to these people, you aren't going to achieve anything. They want to be this way.

[Wesley Mouch]

Not sure about that I see lots of cases where Detroiters are are doing all of the above,maybe just a wee bit of support there would not hurt?

They do not have any money so how are they going to open up shops,buy houses to mow the lawn let alone buy a lawn mower or the gas and oil.

You are talking about taking somebody and dumping them into a situation where they do not have a clue about the system,where to shop,what buy to eat,no English,how to even bank or apply for a job that they really cannot apply for,no support system,kinda like taking a new born baby and in one day they are thirty years old and dumping them into the middle of the city.

Of course we did that to 400,000 undocumented last year so it should be okay.

Press 1 for English
Press 2 for Spanish
Press 3 for Syrian
Soon it is going to take 30 minutes on the phone just to get to a call center where nobody speaks English anyways..

There have been 170 brought into the state already,how come nothing has been written as to how they are doing?

You're right that we are not getting very good information these days. A lot of what's out there is partisan crap.

You have legitimate concerns about assimilation. We should be providing some support to help them integrate into our society -- as we should demand that they do.

The will lack lawn mowers. My grandparents immigrated here to avoid WWI. I'm old enough to have heard the stories. They arrived here poor. They didn't speak the language. So they got to work. Menial jobs. Laborer. Dishwasher.

The Syrian refugees are fleeing misery. They need opportunity -- not lawn mowers. I wouldn't get against giving them a goat, however. Lawn mower, milk bottle, and delicious in sandwiches -- all without mortar shells falling on your head.

[EastsideAl]

I'm not sure why we can't take in some refugees, and trust in immigration to improve lives, our neighborhoods, and our economy, as it always has, and work to improve the lives of those already here, without engaging in revolting racist sterotyping like Detroit "Boy" and the always-dependable Cliffy.

[DetroitBoy]

I'm not sure why we can't take in some refugees, and trust in immigration to improve lives, our neighborhoods, and our economy, as it always has, and work to improve the lives of those already here, without engaging in revolting racist sterotyping like Detroit "Boy" and the always-dependable Cliffy.

I am the one advocating Detroit should bring the refuges here. The racism in this post comes from those who are prejudiced against them. They're afraid some welfare dollars will be diverted to people who might actually use them to improve their lives. If you're revolted, that's because you've lived in Detroit too long and forgotten how unusual the racial climate is here relative to the rest of the world.

There are so many other races in the U.S. today that the limited view of white versus black here is what I find revolting. Today there is no free lunch. If you want to do well, you have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and earn it not bitch and complain because it isn't handed to you. Live in the global competitive world of today not the pre-civil rights world of the 1950s.

[canuck]

I am the one advocating Detroit should bring the refuges here. The racism in this post comes from those who are prejudiced against them. They're afraid some welfare dollars will be diverted to people who might actually use them to improve their lives. If you're revolted, that's because you've lived in Detroit too long and forgotten how unusual the racial climate is here relative to the rest of the world.

There are so many other races in the U.S. today that the limited view of white versus black here is what I find revolting. Today there is no free lunch. If you want to do well, you have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and earn it not bitch and complain because it isn't handed to you. Live in the global competitive world of today not the pre-civil rights world of the 1950s.

OK.

How about letting them Syrians fend for themselves then?

What's to stop them from pulling their bootstraps and fighting the evil at home on their own terms?

Why bother with their civil rights if you don't care to remember how far some of your compatriots have come? Who pays for your ride DB?

[DetroitBoy]

OK.

How about letting them Syrians fend for themselves then?

What's to stop them from pulling their bootstraps and fighting the evil at home on their own terms?

Why bother with their civil rights if you don't care to remember how far some of your compatriots have come? Who pays for your ride DB?

This post is so magnificently ignorant it's appalling. People who think like you were the ones who said let the Jews fend for themselves against the Nazis.

[canuck]

This post is so magnificently ignorant it's appalling. People who think like you were the ones who said let the Jews fend for themselves against the Nazis.

I have never felt so insulted in all my life. Shame on me. lol.