Sen. Bernie Sanders Enters Presidential Race

**coracle** · May-04-16, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

I've posted this before:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

A problem Socialists [[and democtrats and lefties) have Pam is when they're redistributing other people's money they see everything as a zero sum game. They pass rules to relieve successful people of their money to give it to their chosen ones but the successful people just find ways round it and don't play the game - like increasing their prices to pass the payment on to the chosen people. The Chosen people still get their "free" stuff but it's charged against the deficit. Under President Donald they'll have to work for it or go without!

**Pam** · May-04-16, 05:43 PM

Why do right wing people only talk about "other people's money" when it comes to social programs? Where's the complaints about defense spending? A bigger waste of money than programs that help people. Donald's Great Wall- another waste of money.

**Jimaz** · May-04-16, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Why do right wing people only talk about "other people's money" when it comes to social programs? Where's the complaints about defense spending? A bigger waste of money than programs that help people. Donald's Great Wall- another waste of money.

I suspect it has something to do with some kind of perverse "It's cool to be cruel" meme within the right-wing echo chamber. That would reconcile the discrepancy.

Regarding the Great Wall of Trump: [[I used to live in Arizona. Hated it. There are too many Joe Arpaio types there.) There were a lot of Arizonans who would love to build a wall between Arizona and Mexico. I thought it might be funny to encourage their efforts except somehow trick them into believing the California, Nevada, Utah and New Mexico borders were also part of the Mexican border. When they finally complete their beloved wall they would suddenly discover themselves to be surrounded by their own self-built prison. Doh! The rest of the country would finally be safe from those wacky Arizonans!

Might make a funny political cartoon or comedy skit. Needs some work.

**oladub** · May-04-16, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Why do right wing people only talk about "other people's money" when it comes to social programs? Where's the complaints about defense spending? A bigger waste of money than programs that help people. Donald's Great Wall- another waste of money.

Good point about excessive defense spending. There are no Democrats proposing to end all corporate welfare although Bernie goes further than most. Trump proposes to put pressure on our allies to do their share and sometimes suggests not being as interventionist as Bush, Obama, and Hillary. Not bombing so many countries, seven in Obama's case, a record number of countries bombed by any peace Prize winner, should help assuage costs. We know Hillary is a warmonger.

The wall would also be a waste of money if our elected leaders keep the gate wide open as did Obama Bush and Obama. China had a pretty good wall but it failed when the gatekeepers were bribed and let in the Mongols. Our politicians leave ours border wide open to keep a cheaper supply of labor coming through for their corporate campaign contributors. A better idea than building a wall would be to imprison and heavily fine employers of illegal aliens. When illegal alien jobs dry up, many illegal aliens will find their own way back home. Round-ups and walls aren't necessary. Bernie is good on trade. Too bad he betrays US workers when it comes to protecting them from cheap foreign labor.

**JBMcB** · May-04-16, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

Trump proposes to put pressure on our allies to do their share and sometimes suggests not being as interventionist as Bush, Obama, and Hillary.

IMHO the smartest thing said by any candidate was by Trump - that we should disband NATO. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year on an organization designed to protect us, and Europe, from the Soviet Union, which doesn't exist anymore.

Which is really, really scary, because Trump is nuts, but he's the only one proposing this.

**coracle** · May-05-16, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Why do right wing people only talk about "other people's money" when it comes to social programs? Where's the complaints about defense spending? A bigger waste of money than programs that help people. Donald's Great Wall- another waste of money.

Because we want to spend our money on what WE want to spend OUR money on; not on what a bunch of socialists want to spend it on. My complaint about defense spending is we're not spending enough, and as for the wall; Mexico is going to pay for it.
Socialism is a disease Pam that can only be treated by running out of OPM because you'll never out of them as long as other people feed them.

**Pam** · May-05-16, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by coracle

Because we want to spend our money on what WE want to spend OUR money on; not on what a bunch of socialists want to spend it on. My complaint about defense spending is we're not spending enough, and as for the wall; Mexico is going to pay for it.
Socialism is a disease Pam that can only be treated by running out of OPM because you'll never out of them as long as other people feed them.

Again you seem to assume Bernie voters are not also taxpayers. We are. I'd like to see my taxes go for improving people's lives for a change. Mexico won't be paying for any wall. What a joke.

**coracle** · May-06-16, 05:48 AM

Clinton & Sanders Debate Gun Violence

https://youtu.be/LnPrxbYARJg

**Pam** · May-06-16, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by coracle

Clinton & Sanders Debate Gun Violence

https://youtu.be/LnPrxbYARJg

I like this one better:

https://youtu.be/brvDhySezyk

**Jimaz** · May-06-16, 03:04 PM

Attachment 30350
JAW-DROPPING Evidence Of Election Fraud & Media Blackout! #ExitPollGate

The evidence is adding up that this election is a SHAM! Exit polls do not add up on the Democratic side and regularly predict better results for Bernie than the voting machines are telling us! The mainstream media won't even come close to touching this, and in fact they're even attacking Lee Camp for bringing it up. Don't miss this segment of Redacted Tonight!

Note that Arizona number.

Lee Camp's Redacted Tonight

**JBMcB** · May-08-16, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

JAW-DROPPING Evidence Of Election Fraud & Media Blackout! #ExitPollGate

Interesting, but exit polls are notoriously unreliable.

**Pam** · May-08-16, 05:00 PM

Repubs admit- Bernie is honest:

https://youtu.be/Apvdb3VbnaI

**Pam** · May-10-16, 07:57 PM

Bernie in the lead in West Virginia:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/n...s-live-results

**Pam** · May-11-16, 04:48 AM

Looking again at the link above it looks like Bernie won every county in WV. Awesome.

**Zacha341** · May-11-16, 06:04 AM

I may not agree with Sanders fully, but I'm glad he's held strong. His draw and support was UNDER ESTIMATED, clearly. Many don't want the Clinton re-tread. Certainly the Bush option went flat.

Bernie Sanders numbers show an almost refreshing spontaneity of choice and option [[and there were few options on the dem side)! After all, without question, Hillary Clinton was suppose to sail thru unopposed.

Sanders support speak to what people think about the status quo and dynastic presumptions. Hillary specifically. Gotta love the 'choice' of it all.

**Pam** · May-11-16, 09:35 AM

Song for Bernie:

https://youtu.be/w5a2NAfsC4I

**Pam** · May-15-16, 06:29 PM

More election problems, this time in Nevada. Delegates not allowed to enter and other problems:

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/05/15/w...te-convention/

**Jimaz** · May-15-16, 08:42 PM

Attachment 30422]
Bernie Sanders: 'I’m The Stronger Candidate To Defeat Trump' | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC

Democratic presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, joins NBC’s Andrea Mitchell to discuss his win in West Virginia, his opinion on superdelegates, unifying the Democratic party and the fight against Donald Trump.

**Zacha341** · May-16-16, 06:23 AM

The Clinton machine never thought Sanders would have this much pull, staying power and influence. So that end I say 'GO BERNIE!'

**Pam** · May-16-16, 10:28 AM

It's sad to see how many are working for the "Clinton Machine". Very few Dems in the Congress and Senate have had the guts to endorse Bernie, even though he has worked with them for decades. Even Michigan's own Debbie Stabenow was quoted in a recent article calling for Bernie to drop out. Crooked Hillary is the one who should drop out.

**Pam** · May-17-16, 09:52 AM

Oregon and Kentucky vote today, good luck Sen. Sanders.

Apparently the New York Times, Rachel Maddow and others were reporting that Bernie supporters threw chairs at the Nevada convention. Hours of footage on You Tube of this event, yet somehow no footage exists of this? I'm actually shocked at some of the people willing to lie for Hillary.

**oladub** · May-17-16, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Oregon and Kentucky vote today, good luck Sen. Sanders.

Apparently the New York Times, Rachel Maddow and others were reporting that Bernie supporters threw chairs at the Nevada convention. Hours of footage on You Tube of this event, yet somehow no footage exists of this? I'm actually shocked at some of the people willing to lie for Hillary.

I went through this with the Ron Paul campaigns of 2008 and 2012. The smears and omissions are eye raising when a candidate dares to threaten established interests. Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader received the same treatment. This week, one of Trump's past girlfriends also criticized lies and distortions in a NY Times article about her. Meanwhile, the Washington Post, now owned by Amazon's Bezos is lobbying Bezos' financial and political agenda in its news.

Whatever did happen at the Nevada convention though? I read something about some Sanders people whose credentials were refused and stormed in anyway. My wife heard something about pro-Hillary Hispanic delegates getting into it with Sanders' supporters.

Hopes that the Obama Justice Department will intervene are rapidly fading. Justice Department employees just sent Hillary a pile of campaign cash
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...tical-contribu and former Attorney General Holder Hosted 'Lawyers for Hillary' as FBI Investigation Goes On
http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2002405

**Pam** · May-17-16, 12:00 PM

Whatever did happen at the Nevada convention though?

Check out the link I posted above. There's lots of other stuff on You Tube. Here's one:

https://youtu.be/435x0dQ5Lzg

**Pam** · May-17-16, 04:51 PM

I've watched a bunch of videos from Nevada and there was one where a dude did pick up a chair, but he was immediately stopped from throwing it by the people next to him. So it never happened. Shame on the media outlets that repeated this lie and couldn't be bothered to interview people that were actually there. I guess journalism and democracy are both dead.