GP Teens ambushed, one dies in hail of gunfire at GP/Detroit border

**belleislerunner** · December-23-14, 11:06 AM

Did you read the article?

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...side/20798333/

"But police this morning said they don't believe the attack was random."

This was not some doting tourist caught in the wrong/place time. These were thugs.

**bailey** · December-23-14, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by belleislerunner

Did you read the article?

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...side/20798333/

"But police this morning said they don't believe the attack was random."

This was not some doting tourist caught in the wrong/place time. These were thugs.

That was not in the original article, nor on the news this morning, nor on the various outlets that reported it earlier today.... however, as I said in the first post, the story wasn't exactly believable.

[[although interesting to note that victim blaming was almost immediate)

**nain rouge** · December-23-14, 11:14 AM

Only in Detroit is murder justifiable if you're trying to buy drugs. You people should be ashamed of your comments.

**aoife** · December-23-14, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by nain rouge

Only in Detroit is murder justifiable if you're trying to buy drugs. You people should be ashamed of your comments.

Seriously. This whole thread is pretty fucking sick.

**iheartthed** · December-23-14, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

That was not in the original article, nor on the news this morning, nor on the various outlets that reported it earlier today.... however, as I said in the first post, the story wasn't exactly believable.

Isn't it funny how news reports can expose society's biases?

Completely unrelated, but not... Remember when that 12 year old black kid in Cleveland was gun downed by that trigger happy cop? The initial media reports would have had you under the impression that this big bad 12 year old was non-compliant and had it coming. But then the video came out...

**bailey** · December-23-14, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Isn't it funny how news reports can expose society's biases?

Completely unrelated, but not... Remember when that 12 year old black kid in Cleveland was gun downed by that trigger happy cop? The initial media reports would have had you under the impression that this big bad 12 year old was non-compliant and had it coming. But then the video came out...

I'm not sure how you're linking those two... are we to understand that kids buying drugs [[especially those that attend tony private schools like Liggett) deserve to be massacred because they weren't there just getting gas or smoking a little weed in a sparsely populated area? because that really seems to be what you're saying comparing it to the Cleveland shooting in the way you are.

**iheartthed** · December-23-14, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

I'm not sure how you're linking those two... are we to understand that kids buying drugs [[especially those that attend tony private schools like Liggett) deserve to be massacred because they weren't there just getting gas or smoking a little weed in a sparsely populated area? because that really seems to be what you're saying comparing it to the Cleveland shooting in the way you are.

I don't know how you got that from my comment.

**Wesley Mouch** · December-23-14, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Isn't it funny how news reports can expose society's biases?

Completely unrelated, but not... Remember when that 12 year old black kid in Cleveland was gun downed by that trigger happy cop? The initial media reports would have had you under the impression that this big bad 12 year old was non-compliant and had it coming. But then the video came out...

Not to worry. Your biases were already obvious!

Its the funny thing. People see the biases of others, that they don't seem themselves as biased. They really do think they are right. I'm know others think that of me. But I am right. Well, at least as right as IHD.

**iheartthed** · December-23-14, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Not to worry. Your biases were already obvious!

Its the funny thing. People see the biases of others, that they don't seem themselves as biased. They really do think they are right. I'm know others think that of me. But I am right. Well, at least as right as IHD.

I never claimed to not have biases.

But I'm pretty amused by how the prevailing assumption every time this happens is that the victims are casualties of random violence perpetrated by scary black thugs... Until the full story comes out.

And no, it's not their fault that they were shot. It's not their fault that what happened to them highlights the biases of society. But it's worth talking about now just like it is when innocent black kids are gunned down by cops.

**bailey** · December-23-14, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I never claimed to not have biases.

But I'm pretty amused by how the prevailing assumption every time this happens is that the victims are casualties of random violence perpetrated by scary black thugs... Until the full story comes out.

... ok, but point of fact here is it wasn't some journalistic editorial assumption, but reported from the victims' statement. should nothing in a breaking news story ever be reported until its been totally vetted? And we don't actually know the races of the victims either.... but many have assumed they're all white kids.

**iheartthed** · December-23-14, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

... ok, but point of fact here is it wasn't some journalistic editorial assumption, but the victims' statement. And we don't actually know the races of the victims either.... but many have assumed they're all white kids.

We do know the race of the one who died [[or at least her perceived race). And the media has discretion on what they report and the timing of what they report. If you could tell it was bullshit then so could they.

**Wesley Mouch** · December-23-14, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I never claimed to not have biases.

But I'm pretty amused by how the prevailing assumption every time this happens is that the victims are casualties of random violence perpetrated by scary black thugs... Until the full story comes out.

And no, it's not their fault that they were shot. It's not their fault that what happened to them highlights the biases of society. But it's worth talking about now just like it is when innocent black kids are gunned down by cops.

Fair comments. I don't agree, but worth discussion.

Do you also see that cops as a group are not 'trigger happy', simply because of one incident? Or is this different? If so, how is it different. Does a Cleveland incident mean that all cops should be criticized by our leaders?

You may suggest that we should all know that all cops target blacks? And how is this different than thinking that all blacks are dangerous?

**iheartthed** · December-23-14, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Fair comments. I don't agree, but worth discussion.

Do you also see that cops as a group are not 'trigger happy', simply because of one incident? Or is this different? If so, how is it different. Does a Cleveland incident mean that all cops should be criticized by our leaders?

You may suggest that we should all know that all cops target blacks? And how is this different than thinking that all blacks are dangerous?

Of course I don't think that all cops are trigger happy, that is absurd. Just for the record, I have immediate relatives who are members of the Detroit Police Department. But the Cleveland cop was obviously a person who should not have been armed with a gun, much less a cop, as was the opinion of the police department he was fired from before being hired by the city of Cleveland. [[And a simple background check by the Cleveland media would have easily uncovered that but instead they reported on the kid's father, first?)

DetroitBoy · December-23-14, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Fair comments. I don't agree, but worth discussion.

Do you also see that cops as a group are not 'trigger happy', simply because of one incident? Or is this different? If so, how is it different. Does a Cleveland incident mean that all cops should be criticized by our leaders?

You may suggest that we should all know that all cops target blacks? And how is this different than thinking that all blacks are dangerous?

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck".

**Kevgoblue** · December-23-14, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

And no, it's not their fault that they were shot. It's not their fault that what happened to them highlights the biases of society. But it's worth talking about now just like it is when innocent black kids are gunned down by cops.

Difference being, when the black kids get gunned down there is a certain segment which will come out screaming about how the victims were law breaking thugs and that their behavior caused their own deaths. I haven't heard that yet.