Look Up... very strange phenomena in skies.. Any Explanations

[yupislyr]

Ice has weight and I don't understand how they stay airborne for hours.

Ignorance. This is the root of your problem. Instead of trying to reinforce your confirmation bias about something you admittedly don't understand, you'd be better off to first get a grasp on the basics of how our atmosphere works.

[JBMcB]

Ice has weight and I don't understand how they stay airborne for hours.

Water has weight and it stays up in the clouds for days. The ice particles are very small and don't have enough mass to drop from the jetstream.

You're seeing more long-lasting contrails now that the temperature differential between the low level air and jetstream is greater.

[gazhekwe]

Mid-century, I lived in Chippewa County, where we had Kinross Air Base, a DEW Line SAC Post, an Army base, a BOAC missile base, and a Canada US Border crossing plus the Soo Locks, which was designated a primary target in the event of a nuclear attack. We would often see multiple contrails lasting for hours as the various planes maneuvered and kept track of things. One of my elementary teachers went into considerable detail about these trails, what they were [[water vapor) and why we could see them for some time. There are still a lot of contrails up that way, and the area is now rampant with chemtrail theorists.

In the 70s, we were all going ballistic over ELF, which was eventually built, and not long after, was replaced by other technology. Lots of fear about mind control by ELF waves was going around, seems pretty much quieted down now.

So far, no evidence of mind control, unless it is so widespread we all think it is normal.

[MikeM]

I was born in 1957 and have been seeing these contrail since I was a kid, and that was LONG before anyone thought of "geoengineering" or "weather modification."

And before that:

[MikeM]

Fulcanelli, I too noticed some odd vapor trails in the past week... and if these were just from routine commercial flights... then why are they suddenly so very noticeable, and not just everyday routine?

Perhaps you're noticing more since Chicago's airspace is closed due to the fire in the computer room last week, forcing more traffic over here:

[sumas]

It's good to know there are still a few people looking at the sky. Most people I see these days are looking down texting.

Too funny, I am thinking of putting a sign on my front door saying check your phones, Why visit if all a person does is text? Had a surprise visit today from a fellow forumer, the texting just didn't stop. Makes a visit a little strained.

[beachboy]

...the area is now rampant with chemtrail theorists. So far, no evidence of mind control, unless it is so widespread we all think it is normal.

<dry chuckle> I think Gannon is AWOL b/c this has nothing to do with The Hum.

Here are some facts 4 thought:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tra...chemtrails.htm

Why can't our boring lives be more exiciting? Maybe these "explanations" are developed to keep us interested ...

[Fulcanelli]

CRITICAL THINKING: [[as defined by the criticalthinking.org website) - "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness."

BIAS [[as defined by Wikipedia): Bias is an inclination of temperament or outlook to present or hold a partial perspective, often accompanied by a refusal to even consider the possible merits of alternative points of view. People may be biased toward or against an individual, a race, a religion, a social class, or a political party. Biased means one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, not having an open mind. Bias can come in many forms and is often considered to be synonymous with prejudice or bigotry.

The negative responses to my inquiry are based on bias, on predefined responses to the material presented here, without consideration of the new expert testimonials supplied. That is not a scientific approach to this phenomena. If you want to discredit me, watch the video and discredit these experts.

Here is the link and because it is so long, I will give you times of each speaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo

The testimonials begin at 17:05. Among those who gave testimony include:

-Iraja Sivadas, mathematician discussing the characteristics of contrails
-Francis Mangles, a USFS biologist [[35 years)
-Jeff Nelson, former commercial airline pilot and teacher, specializing in teaching how jet engines work, describing the nature of contrails
-Allen Buckmann, former military meteorolist/fish & game biologist, discussing the effects of the aerosol chemical trails sprayed in the stratosphere
-Dr. Hamid Rabiee, a neurologist who testifies to the spike in cases of dimensia and alzheimers disease in recent years
-Russ Lazuka, former commercial pilot
-Dr. Frank Livolsi, a doctor and a himself a pilot
-Mark McCandish, former defense industry technician who had secret clearance and worked on projects twenty years ago that are still classified. He discusses the nano particles that are so small they are absorbed in tree [[and other plant) root systems, killing the plants [[and in our lungs as well)

Do a little searching online and you'll learn that governments around the world are engaged in weather modification, i.e. geo-engineering. Don't believe me...LOOK FOR YOURSELF. And start paying attention yourself, not just one or two days, but make a habit of looking up for thin streaks of milky white film in the sky. That first day I noticed this a few weeks ago, the substance was so thick that if I looked up to the sky and blocked direct view of the sun, the atmosphere around it was very white and milky. Contrails? How come they have suddenly started showing up in the past few years? I never saw them when I was a kid. NEVER.

Unfortunately, these controversial spraying practice is often linked to various conspiracies of world and government takeovers, and that alone discredits serious investigation. Use CRITICAL THINKING about the subject matter at hand...what are those artificial clouds?

This phenomena is happening around the world. You might remember a few years ago when the Olympics were held in China, a story about how the Chinese government was going to prevent rain during the games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing...ication_Office



Yesterday early afternoon I was sitting in the yard reading a new photography magazine and I noted how cloudless the sky was at that time. About 4:30 in the afternoon, I had to go out on an errand and noticed the jets spanning the sky were at it again, in the southern and western skies, leaving horrendous trails of spray that slowly dispersed into thin milky man-made clouds.

Here are a few pics. You can see the thin layer of material that slowly disperses in the sky, creating a milky blanket that stays for hours.


And this one shot pointing to the sun. You can see the layers of this milky substance.

Look past those attempting to discredit me without discrediting my sources. Do your own research. Study the sky for a month. Research. If there is any validity to what I am suggesting, the materials sprayed into our stratosphere [[nano grade aluminum powder) has a direct and detrimental impact on your health, the health of your friends and families, and children.

It is a real shame that people lack the ability to look and think for themselves.

Critical thinking - not bias. Believe your eyes and not what someone told you that what you are seeing isn't what you think.

[Armin]

I wish your posts could be coupled with a sound bite of a cuckoo clock bird.

[adamjab19]

I can't believe I'm responding to this thread but here is a video and article about someone LYING about what the trails are: http://www.vice.com/read/i-tricked-c...ource=vicefbus

[Mikeg]

An acquaintance has been photographing this common phenomena for years and shared some of his pics with me. Notice the months when these were taken - all in the fall. Apparently the "geoengineers" take the rest of the year off.

Dec. 17, 2009


Sept. 16, 2011


Sept. 24, 2012


Oct. 16, 2012


Nov. 14, 2012


Nov. 15, 2012


Dec. 14, 2012

[luckycar]

Those are P-38 Lightnings escorting B-17s over Northern Europe.I would place those "chemtrails"to be layed down in 1944,winter/spring.Most 8th Air Force fighter groups would soon be in P-51 Mustangs,as the P-38s gave off a thick double contrail that was easy to spot by the Germans.The P51,P47,ME 109 and FW190 were all single engine fighters and the contrails all looked the same.This put the P-38 at a disadvantage in the 30 below air temp in the winter of 43/44.This wasn't a concern in Pacific Theater,and the P-38s were the kings of the sky.Just a little "chemtrail"history.

[Baselinepunk]

CRITICAL THINKING: [[as defined by the criticalthinking.org website) - "Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness."

BIAS [[as defined by Wikipedia): Bias is an inclination of temperament or outlook to present or hold a partial perspective, often accompanied by a refusal to even consider the possible merits of alternative points of view. People may be biased toward or against an individual, a race, a religion, a social class, or a political party. Biased means one-sided, lacking a neutral viewpoint, not having an open mind. Bias can come in many forms and is often considered to be synonymous with prejudice or bigotry.

The negative responses to my inquiry are based on bias, on predefined responses to the material presented here, without consideration of the new expert testimonials supplied. That is not a scientific approach to this phenomena. If you want to discredit me, watch the video and discredit these experts.

Here is the link and because it is so long, I will give you times of each speaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo

The testimonials begin at 17:05. Among those who gave testimony include:

-Iraja Sivadas, mathematician discussing the characteristics of contrails
-Francis Mangles, a USFS biologist [[35 years)
-Jeff Nelson, former commercial airline pilot and teacher, specializing in teaching how jet engines work, describing the nature of contrails
-Allen Buckmann, former military meteorolist/fish & game biologist, discussing the effects of the aerosol chemical trails sprayed in the stratosphere
-Dr. Hamid Rabiee, a neurologist who testifies to the spike in cases of dimensia and alzheimers disease in recent years
-Russ Lazuka, former commercial pilot
-Dr. Frank Livolsi, a doctor and a himself a pilot
-Mark McCandish, former defense industry technician who had secret clearance and worked on projects twenty years ago that are still classified. He discusses the nano particles that are so small they are absorbed in tree [[and other plant) root systems, killing the plants [[and in our lungs as well)

Do a little searching online and you'll learn that governments around the world are engaged in weather modification, i.e. geo-engineering. Don't believe me...LOOK FOR YOURSELF. And start paying attention yourself, not just one or two days, but make a habit of looking up for thin streaks of milky white film in the sky. That first day I noticed this a few weeks ago, the substance was so thick that if I looked up to the sky and blocked direct view of the sun, the atmosphere around it was very white and milky. Contrails? How come they have suddenly started showing up in the past few years? I never saw them when I was a kid. NEVER.

Unfortunately, these controversial spraying practice is often linked to various conspiracies of world and government takeovers, and that alone discredits serious investigation. Use CRITICAL THINKING about the subject matter at hand...what are those artificial clouds?

This phenomena is happening around the world. You might remember a few years ago when the Olympics were held in China, a story about how the Chinese government was going to prevent rain during the games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing...ication_Office



Yesterday early afternoon I was sitting in the yard reading a new photography magazine and I noted how cloudless the sky was at that time. About 4:30 in the afternoon, I had to go out on an errand and noticed the jets spanning the sky were at it again, in the southern and western skies, leaving horrendous trails of spray that slowly dispersed into thin milky man-made clouds.

Here are a few pics. You can see the thin layer of material that slowly disperses in the sky, creating a milky blanket that stays for hours.


And this one shot pointing to the sun. You can see the layers of this milky substance.

Look past those attempting to discredit me without discrediting my sources. Do your own research. Study the sky for a month. Research. If there is any validity to what I am suggesting, the materials sprayed into our stratosphere [[nano grade aluminum powder) has a direct and detrimental impact on your health, the health of your friends and families, and children.

It is a real shame that people lack the ability to look and think for themselves.

Critical thinking - not bias. Believe your eyes and not what someone told you that what you are seeing isn't what you think.

Note to Fulcanelli: this last thing one would ever want to do, while they are trying to legitimize their position, is to cite Wikipedia [[of all fucking things) as support for their argument.

[RO_Resident]

October 10, 2014

I don't have a conspiracy theory I'm peddling. However, I would appreciate it if you would start paying attention to the skies, in light of my comments here, and add notes of what you see and what you think.

October 14, 2014

Look past those attempting to discredit me without discrediting my sources. Do your own research. Study the sky for a month. Research. If there is any validity to what I am suggesting, the materials sprayed into our stratosphere [[nano grade aluminum powder) has a direct and detrimental impact on your health, the health of your friends and families, and children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

[Gannon]

In the 70s, we were all going ballistic over ELF, which was eventually built, and not long after, was replaced by other technology. Lots of fear about mind control by ELF waves was going around, seems pretty much quieted down now.

So far, no evidence of mind control, unless it is so widespread we all think it is normal.

The government has thoroughly studied the effects of Extremely Low Frequency Electromagnetic Radiation upon human beings' extra-sensory perceptions. The quiet you hear is active manipulation of public dialogue over the entire discipline, it is buried on purpose. The culture of Top Secret and above security clearances works well...loose lips sink ships and all that. Leaks and honest open dialogue are dealt with according to well-practiced defenses. [[some being used in this very thread)

Back when I was having those Tesla-technology lucid dreams, in the months before ItsJeff passed in early 2007, I found tonnage of odd loose ends through Google searches on the complex terms I'd wake with in my mind. The most curious was the abstract on some university research that described their efforts figuring out whether we all had six or sixTEEN extra senses that could be affected by things which escape the narrow ranges of our blatant five senses.

That said...lines in the sky. I've been looking up on purpose for the last fifteen years or more of my life...nights are much more interesting than days. I'm sure you can do a search on the terms chemtrail and contrail to find archived discussions. Basically, both exist. While professional pilots, eager to maintain their flying status, must toe the line and insist that none other than contrails happen...open-minded individuals will find evidences of both geo-engineering and weather modification.


There has been documented evidence of these programs, mostly through United Nations testimony and US patents, not to mention the occasional leak of pictures of actual planes configured with tanks and nozzle piping instead of seats. It is not a national phenomenon, it is world-wide. There is nothing the shills and derailers can do to obfuscate this fact. But it also does not eliminate the fact that contrails exist, either...the difference is usually shown by the behavior of the lines over time. Contrail water molecules dissipate much more quickly than whatever chemicals are being hosed over an unsuspecting population.

The weather modification is curious...very often extreme weather will follow a distinct grid collection...I include this weird weather pattern the nation is enduring today. It usually follows by a day or two downwind, with odd high and low pressure and temperature variations well outside the normal weather patterns. I've watched this trend, but have not attempted to document it...since it is well beyond any effect or control I can affect, I see little use in getting too worked up about it. Same with The Hum...<dry snicker>.

I wish I had taken pictures of the planes on the Edwards Airbase tarmac a month after 9/11, when I drove from LA to Salt Lake City to fly home for the Freep marathon. There were three sizes of craft, all brand new and painted in standard commercial livery. There was NO reason for these to be on an Air Force base. I can only assume the most nefarious uses, but will acquiesce to simple covert troop transport at a bare minimum.

Continue on, Fulconelli, you have done a bang-up job here...you remind me of myself when I cared to help illuminate the dim and dull sheople who always seem to wish to ignore these deeper truths. Don't let the trolls and those with their own agendas bring you down.

Cheers,
John

[townonenorth]

The government has thoroughly studied the effects of Extremely Low Frequency Electromagnetic Radiation upon human beings' extra-sensory perceptions. The quiet you hear is active manipulation of public dialogue over the entire discipline, it is buried on purpose. The culture of Top Secret and above security clearances works well...loose lips sink ships and all that. Leaks and honest open dialogue are dealt with according to well-practiced defenses. [[some being used in this very thread)

Back when I was having those Tesla-technology lucid dreams, in the months before ItsJeff passed in early 2007, I found tonnage of odd loose ends through Google searches on the complex terms I'd wake with in my mind. The most curious was the abstract on some university research that described their efforts figuring out whether we all had six or sixTEEN extra senses that could be affected by things which escape the narrow ranges of our blatant five senses.

That said...lines in the sky. I've been looking up on purpose for the last fifteen years or more of my life...nights are much more interesting than days. I'm sure you can do a search on the terms chemtrail and contrail to find archived discussions. Basically, both exist. While professional pilots, eager to maintain their flying status, must toe the line and insist that none other than contrails happen...open-minded individuals will find evidences of both geo-engineering and weather modification.


There has been documented evidence of these programs, mostly through United Nations testimony and US patents, not to mention the occasional leak of pictures of actual planes configured with tanks and nozzle piping instead of seats. It is not a national phenomenon, it is world-wide. There is nothing the shills and derailers can do to obfuscate this fact. But it also does not eliminate the fact that contrails exist, either...the difference is usually shown by the behavior of the lines over time. Contrail water molecules dissipate much more quickly than whatever chemicals are being hosed over an unsuspecting population.

The weather modification is curious...very often extreme weather will follow a distinct grid collection...I include this weird weather pattern the nation is enduring today. It usually follows by a day or two downwind, with odd high and low pressure and temperature variations well outside the normal weather patterns. I've watched this trend, but have not attempted to document it...since it is well beyond any effect or control I can affect, I see little use in getting too worked up about it. Same with The Hum...<dry snicker>.

I wish I had taken pictures of the planes on the Edwards Airbase tarmac a month after 9/11, when I drove from LA to Salt Lake City to fly home for the Freep marathon. There were three sizes of craft, all brand new and painted in standard commercial livery. There was NO reason for these to be on an Air Force base. I can only assume the most nefarious uses, but will acquiesce to simple covert troop transport at a bare minimum.

Continue on, Fulconelli, you have done a bang-up job here...you remind me of myself when I cared to help illuminate the dim and dull sheople who always seem to wish to ignore these deeper truths. Don't let the trolls and those with their own agendas bring you down.

Cheers,
John

The reason that these "chemtrails" [[water vapor) appear and are more persistent on varied days are due to weather variations and humidity. To insist otherwise is just insanity.

Actual SCIENTISTS commenting on the phenomena:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...leave-a-white/

And this lovely article:

http://contrailscience.com/what-in-t...they-spraying/

[MikeM]

Milky substance? You mean water vapor?

[Gannon]

Sorry for the misspelling, Fulcanelli, I would've corrected my post, but it was copied in full...

[TheUsualSuspect]

I don't like to disparage the views and opinions of others [[like bellybuttons...we've all got one) but wow.

I don't doubt that there have been attempts to influence the weather. Any such attempts would require the creation of uniquely equipped aircraft and material distribution systems. I am sure there are pictures, white papers, even entire research teams who work on the stuff.

I just don't think what you are seeing now is the output.

[Gistok]

Ah.... but even a movie was even made of this conspiracy [[to hide it from the public)....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF813vmbcQY

[Gannon]

Thanks, G.

I love Kate Bush...that album sold a ton of hifi for me back in the day.

Never got the reference though, I wasn't such a 'spiricist then.

[Gistok]

Hey Gannon.... I've always been a fan of Kate Bush myself... and always loved this song.... Hope you're recovery is speedy!!

[Gannon]

Hey Gannon.... I've always been a fan of Kate Bush myself... and always loved this song.... Hope you're recovery is speedy!!

Thanks, that began with my first clear breath after the fabulous folks at Beaumont GP re-opened my airwaves. I am rejuvenated, in the most complete definition of that term.

Cheers

[aj3647]

I wish I had taken pictures of the planes on the Edwards Airbase tarmac a month after 9/11, when I drove from LA to Salt Lake City to fly home for the Freep marathon. There were three sizes of craft, all brand new and painted in standard commercial livery. There was NO reason for these to be on an Air Force base. I can only assume the most nefarious uses, but will acquiesce to simple covert troop transport at a bare minimum.

There are civilian agencies that use Edwards including the US Postal Service and the FAA as well as private companies that provide contacted services to the military. And the military does use chartered civilian airliners to transport troops. When I deployed overseas, I left on a civilian Boeing 777 out of Shaw Air Force Base. It's not uncommon. Stop listening to Art Bell and loosen the tinfoil hat.

[MikeM]

I suspect Gannon was really driving by the former George AFB, on the boundary of Edwards and being used as civilian aircraft boneyard. Edwards isn't visible unless you get off the highway and drive out of your way to get there.

Nevertheless, the airlines do a lot of business transporting troops for the military. I'd say on any given day, my airline has at least one or two military charters in the air somewhere. The aircraft I fly is always going to Germany, the UAE, or Kyrgyzstan on military charters. The last charter I flew was to carry Marines from Cherry Point to Ontario, California. I wonder what kind of conspiracy theories that generated.