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    jimmyr Guest

    Default Why doesn't Dan Gilbert live in Detroit?

    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for him to tell everyone to give Detroit a chance when he drives home to a $4M mansion in tony Franklin each night? I haven't seen the media address this hypocrisy one time.

    We could go a step further, Illitchs are all in Bingham Farms, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills. Penskes are in Birmingham, or out of the state entirely. And Rip Rapson, who runs the Kresge Foundation, also lives in Birmingham.
    Last edited by jimmyr; April-27-14 at 02:31 PM.

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    Because Detroit isn't safe... duh

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    This again?

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    Because the rents are too high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowell View Post
    Because the rents are too high?

    Sooooo, you do have a sense of humor.

    Good

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for him to tell everyone to give Detroit a chance when he drives home to a $4M mansion in tony Franklin each night? I haven't seen the media address this hypocrisy one time.

    We could go a step further, Illitchs are all in Bingham Farms, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills. Penskes are in Birmingham, or out of the state entirely. And Rip Rapson, who runs the Kresge Foundation, also lives in Birmingham.
    Simple...

    He's privatizing the profits and socializing the losses....

    He's reaping the benefits of Detroit's big city infrastructure without having to actually contend with the problems of Detroit's big city infrastructure.

    The media does the same thing to an extent. Let's face it, being licensed to a huge population center like Detroit will garner more attention from people across the nation/world than some podunk suburbs like Southfield or Sterling Heights.

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    Or they could ignore Detroit all together and invest in S.E Michigan's Tony suburbs only...

    I think about it all the time, but I guess it really doesn't matter because they're all so heavily involved in Detroit's revitalization.

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    I don't think this even needs to be a discussion. Detroit needs responsible investors from everywhere, not just within the city limits. By responsible, I mean investors that don't sit on the land as a speculator, scrap it[[like Bill Hultz), or let it rot like Matty Maroun. There is no major city on Earth that has every investor living in the city limits. Detroit shouldn't be any different.
    Last edited by dmike76; April-27-14 at 05:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for him to tell everyone to give Detroit a chance when he drives home to a $4M mansion in tony Franklin each night? I haven't seen the media address this hypocrisy one time.

    We could go a step further, Illitchs are all in Bingham Farms, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills. Penskes are in Birmingham, or out of the state entirely. And Rip Rapson, who runs the Kresge Foundation, also lives in Birmingham.
    No, it's a free country. It's fucking awesome that we can live anywhere we want to if you can pay the rent.

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    I don't really care where he lives or why, but I think it would be pretty funny if someone asked him this to his face. Like, at a press conference or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antongast View Post
    I don't really care where he lives or why, but I think it would be pretty funny if someone asked him this to his face. Like, at a press conference or something.
    Indeed. But he has Crain's, Freep and D News wrapped around his finger, so nobody ever will call him out on his hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Indeed. But he has Crain's, Freep and D News wrapped around his finger, so nobody ever will call him out on his hypocrisy.
    I just gave him a call and ran this by him, he said he has a community that he has decided that you should move to and live in. Would you like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
    I just gave him a call and ran this by him, he said he has a community that he has decided that you should move to and live in. Would you like that?
    Cute. Detroit proper is great...so great that the town's biggest ambassador chooses to live 15 miles away. Message received.

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    I agree with this quote.

    Also, It makes total sense that all of the entrepreneurs that live in Detroit and have suburban companies need to move out of the city. And any property owner that does not live in the city where they conduct business must move into the city where they conduct business.

    BTW, If you think Gilbert has a single residence you are naive.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
    No, it's a free country. It's fucking awesome that we can live anywhere we want to if you can pay the rent.

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    They don't want to pay city income tax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerojoe View Post
    They don't want to pay city income tax
    You pay city income tax regardless of where you live. You pay some if you work in Detroit, you pay some if you live in Detroit, and you pay double if you live AND work in Detroit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for him to tell everyone to give Detroit a chance when he drives home to a $4M mansion in tony Franklin each night?


    Gilbert has done a lot of great things for the city. It would be nice if he'd relocate to Detroit and build a mansion there, but I'm not going to hold it against him.

    I think it's ridiculous for folks to try to minimize what he's done for the city because he lives in Franklin. He's brought ten thousand jobs to the city, purchased buildings, renovated those buildings, and stuff them with jobs and tenants. He did what Ilitch has always refused to do, built a parking structure.

    Gilbert has done more good for the city than most residents [[mainly because he has the means to do so, not because residents are unwilling). So I won't hold it against him if he doesn't live where you want him to live.

    So you're not allowed to do business in Detroit if you live in the suburbs? I don't think that's something you want, as suburban folks bring a lot to Detroit, just as Detroit brings a lot to the suburbs.
    Last edited by Scottathew; April-27-14 at 06:06 PM.

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    I didn't say anyone has to live in city proper to conduct business in city proper. What I am saying is that the biggest cheerleader of Detroit RESIDENTIAL property obviously doesn't find it suitable enough for him an his family to live in. If you don't see the hypocrisy there I don't know what to tell you. Optics are important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    I didn't say anyone has to live in city proper to conduct business in city proper. What I am saying is that the biggest cheerleader of Detroit RESIDENTIAL property obviously doesn't find it suitable enough for him an his family to live in. If you don't see the hypocrisy there I don't know what to tell you. Optics are important.
    I don't think you know what hypocrisy means. There are lots of places I'd encourage people to live. I only live in one of them. You make far too many assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    I don't think you know what hypocrisy means. There are lots of places I'd encourage people to live. I only live in one of them. You make far too many assumptions.
    Hypocrisy: Detroit is amazing! You all should move there and be a part of this come back. Me? Um I will be in a safe enclave 15 miles away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Hypocrisy: Detroit is amazing! You all should move there and be a part of this come back. Me? Um I will be in a safe enclave 15 miles away.
    Me? I'll be directing my empire from my downtown Detroit office as I bring thousands of jobs to Detroit and hundreds of residents to Detroit, purchase and renovate over 30 buildings, work with government officials to make the city safer, and make charitable investments back into the neighborhood. It probably won't be enough for some people, but it's more than what any person or group of people have been able to do in five decades, so I guess it's not too shabby...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Hypocrisy: Detroit is amazing! You all should move there and be a part of this come back. Me? Um I will be in a safe enclave 15 miles away.
    Yeah, that's not hypocrisy.

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    This is so stupid. Not much different than people [[usually right wingers) saying Al Gore should not fly in airplanes or drive a car. Or Micheal Moore should live in Flint, not Torch Lake and Manhattan, never earn money but give it all away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroittrader View Post
    This is so stupid. Not much different than people [[usually right wingers) saying Al Gore should not fly in airplanes or drive a car. Or Micheal Moore should live in Flint, not Torch Lake and Manhattan, never earn money but give it all away.
    Apples and oranges. THIS thread is stupid. Yes. But criticism of the likes of Al Gore lecturing the rest of us peasants on how we need to lower our carbon foot print by doing things like living in smaller houses and travelling efficiently....while he owns multiple enormous homes and travels in the most inefficient manner possible is not unwarranted criticism. Its the typical do as a I say not as I do lecture from our betters. fuck him.

    And fuck Micheal Moore too...here's his interview from Piers Morgan during the whole OWS stuff...
    He[Moore] added: ‘I’m not in the one per cent. For a documentary filmmaker I do very well. There’s a big difference between a documentary and Avatar.’In another interview on Tuesday, Morgan said: ‘I need you to admit the bleeding obvious. I need you to sit here and say, “I'm in the one per cent”, because it's important.’
    Moore refused, saying: ‘I'm not.
    Last edited by bailey; April-28-14 at 08:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Hypocrisy: Detroit is amazing! You all should move there and be a part of this come back. Me? Um I will be in a safe enclave 15 miles away.
    You just gave yourself away there. You start a thread that implies you might actually care about the city then you state you probably wouldn't live there if your life depended on it. So you decide to mock Gilbert in an underhanded sort of way because you hate Detroit. Why not just say so from the beginning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyr View Post
    Isn't it a bit hypocritical for him to tell everyone to give Detroit a chance when he drives home to a $4M mansion in tony Franklin each night? I haven't seen the media address this hypocrisy one time.

    We could go a step further, Illitchs are all in Bingham Farms, Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills. Penskes are in Birmingham, or out of the state entirely. And Rip Rapson, who runs the Kresge Foundation, also lives in Birmingham.
    Aren't you being a tad too Hypercritical?

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