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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    How many people commute on DDOT daily? That is not enough money to go back into the system for upkeep and purchasing of new busses?
    Remember - it costs DDOT much, much more to transport someone than the fare that person pays. DDOT only recovers 25% to 30% of its operating costs at the farebox. So that - I assume by "that" you mean the farebox revenue - is not even close to enough to just operate the system, much less pay for new buses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by professorscott View Post
    Remember - it costs DDOT much, much more to transport someone than the fare that person pays. DDOT only recovers 25% to 30% of its operating costs at the farebox. So that - I assume by "that" you mean the farebox revenue - is not even close to enough to just operate the system, much less pay for new buses.
    With Dan Dirks at the wheel, the problems of running the buses on time and balancing the DDOT budget will be solved.

    It is unfortunate the RTA tax is not coming in 2014 and is pushed back to 2016 Good reliable, safe, on time public bus service for Detroit is essential in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Dan Gilbert had just complete his Z lot parking structure. I could see a Target or something opening in the empty retail spot on the ground level and the customers could park in the lot for half price with a receipt.
    Why would Target do this? Outside of Minneapolis [[their HQ) and NYC, how many urban-style full-scale Targets exist?

    Gilbert, the grand savior, hasn't attracted a single retailer of note since announcing the move downtown back in 2007.

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    isnt there a target with street level parking in bloomfield hills? on telegraph?

    target
    2400 S Telegraph Rd, Bloomfield Hills, MI

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    Quote Originally Posted by compn View Post
    isnt there a target with street level parking in bloomfield hills? on telegraph?

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    2400 S Telegraph Rd, Bloomfield Hills, MI
    The Bloomfield Township Target is about the furthest thing from an urban Target.

    It's on Telegraph across from Costco, in big-box land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    how do the transit system in other city operate wilbert
    They all lose more or less money and are subsidized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    How many people commute on DDOT daily? That is not enough money to go back into the system for upkeep and purchasing of new busses?
    No, urban transit systems haven't been profitable since the post World War One [[1920) boom in wages. The politicians and the newspapers always spread the word that the privately-owned transit systems were making obscene profits at the expense of the riders. After they took them over and they became public services, the politicians learned just how bad the economics of running a transit system were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    Why would Target do this? Outside of Minneapolis [[their HQ) and NYC, how many urban-style full-scale Targets exist?

    Gilbert, the grand savior, hasn't attracted a single retailer of note since announcing the move downtown back in 2007.
    Moosejaw, maybe?

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