Do people regret the 1967 riot?

[sheryl]

I remember my parents getting lots of letters, flyers from real estate agents right after the riots with messages like "we have just sold another home in your neighborhhood; on your block to another african-american family. They capitalized on peoples fear and uncertainty and made lots of money for themselves. Anyone else remember this? I was 10 at the time. We stuck around until '76. Grand River/oakman area.

[marshamusic]

I remember my parents getting lots of letters, flyers from real estate agents right after the riots with messages like "we have just sold another home in your neighborhhood; on your block to another african-american family. They capitalized on peoples fear and uncertainty and made lots of money for themselves. Anyone else remember this? I was 10 at the time. We stuck around until '76. Grand River/oakman area.

That type of activity is called Block-Busting. IMO, many whites were just plain run out of the city by fear, instigated by certain real estate interests, both in the city and the suburbs.

[drpoundsign]

"Joy and Grand River" is suppposedly a good background book on the issue

[Honky Tonk]

That type of activity is called Block-Busting. IMO, many whites were just plain run out of the city by fear, instigated by certain real estate interests, both in the city and the suburbs.

They were also run out of the City by robberies, break-ins, and rapes. For real.

[marshamusic]

They were also run out of the City by robberies, break-ins, and rapes. For real.

Why yes, of course.

Unfortunately, I am sure that this was true, particularly in the latter years of flight.

However, I was addressing the scenario that the poster raised regarding the fomenting of racial fear in changing neighborhoods.

[SWMAP]

I do regret that riot. I saw an academic study that documented how much ground Blacks lost economically in cities that experienced the riots: lost jobs, lowered housing value, less investment in those cities even decades later.
Sugrue documents all the white flight brfore the riots and people love to use him to "prove" that Detroit was diminishing well before the Riots- that the Riot did not change much.
But who knows if more white people would not have moved into Detroit in a return to city living if the riots had not made such a family decision obviously dangerous.Not many people want to actually live with such a threat when they saw it happen once. Yet those few of us who lived through it and are still here do live with the threat- didn't Shabazz threaten to burn Detroit down just this year? He was invoking the 67 Riot and stoking that fear. I don't blame average white families for avoiding the whole thing by staying away from here. A major riot happened once, it is a constant threat and could happen again because stupid people think its useful for something.

[gnome]

I find it interesting that so many people still think of the National Guard and 82nd Airborne as an occupying force. An invasion.

Truth is they saved your ass.

they kept the snipers at bey, and they kept the Big Four from doing what they were famous for doing. If those troops had not been here there is no telling how bad things could have gotten.

i have also noticed in all my years here I have never met anyone who rioted. Never met a looter, never even met anyone who knew anyone who looted. A city of liars.

[sumas]

Although racism is alive and well in all walks of life.

I was seeing a therapist, provided by a Christian funded org.She was a middle aged black lady and we really liked and respected each other. In one session, she went ballistic on Jews,calling them dirty nasty cheaters. I didn't mention it, but my grandfather was Jewish. Maybe I should have.

[MidTownMs]

What is the OP's definition of a race riot? I was 19 years old when the riot broke out and what I witnessed in my neighborhood was looting and burning. Perhaps the 1943 riot was about racial unrest but the riot of 67 appeared to have more to do with angry fed up people than race.

[Danny]

What is the OP's definition of a race riot? I was 19 years old when the riot broke out and what I witnessed in my neighborhood was looting and burning. Perhaps the 1943 riot was about racial unrest but the riot of 67 appeared to have more to do with angry fed up people than race.

You're absolutely right and agreeable. The 1943 Detroit Riot was racial.

The 1967 Detroit was about against police brutality and civil unrest in ghettos. Just like another most populated cities in the U.S.

[Toka313]

You're absolutely right and agreeable. The 1943 Detroit Riot was racial.

The 1967 Detroit was about against police brutality and civil unrest in ghettos. Just like another most populated cities in the U.S.

Exactly. That's why '67 is called a "Rebellion" and '43 is called a riot.

[Detroitnerd]

I've heard the 1967 disturbance described as "the have-nots" giving "the haves" some trouble. And describing white and black people working together -- to remove couches from Robinson's Furniture. :/

[48009]

I've heard the 1967 disturbance described as "the have-nots" giving "the haves" some trouble. And describing white and black people working together -- to remove couches from Robinson's Furniture. :/

Working together? I asked a large group of mostly white baby boomers last night about the riots. These are the most kind people I know, have dear friends of every race and background, etc. The general consensus was that Detroit had it's good and bad pockets prior the '67 riots, but they still lived or visited the city, especially for nightlife. After '67 riots they stopped going to the city, period. It was no longer safe. "You could see it burning from Troy."

[Detroitnerd]

Working together? I asked a large group of mostly white baby boomers last night about the riots. These are the most kind people I know, have dear friends of every race and background, etc. The general consensus was that Detroit had it's good and bad pockets prior the '67 riots, but they still lived or visited the city, especially for nightlife. After '67 riots they stopped going to the city, period. It was no longer safe. "You could see it burning from Troy."

Oh, I see. You do "know" a lot about Detroit. Or you THINK you "know" a lot about Detroit. And you really don't seem to exhibit [[a) an open mind or [[b) any genuine curiosity. So I guess I was right about you all along. You aren't here to ask questions and learn about the past. You are here to share your [[largely mythological, anecdotal) version about the past. And you don't appreciate it being challenged, do you?

That's right: You're trolling.

[Smirnoff]

I am still waiting for the National Guard to return.....[[help)!

[p69rrh51]

I am still waiting for the National Guard to return.....[[help)!

Smirnoff there is a video on here that shows the National Guard and the 82nd Airborne. The NG looks like a bunch of scared small animals. the 82nd on the other hand looked very professional and ready for action. Its well worth searching the sight for the video.

[SWMAP]

DN - you are the worst troller. You jump into every conversation and sarcastically attack, make snide, cutting evaluations on nearly every single topic. I dread seeing you get into anything. You are just the worst.

Have you ever been published in anything but the Metro Times? From what do you assume your authority and pedigree to make nearly every topic here about your vast stores of knowledge, your better understanding of history and your pontifical seal which you must grant to nearly all threads of any seriousness?

Please fill us in on your prestigious academic background

[Detroitnerd]

DN - you are the worst troller. You jump into every conversation and sarcastically attack, make snide, cutting evaluations on nearly every single topic. I dread seeing you get into anything. You are just the worst.

Have you ever been published in anything but the Metro Times? From what do you assume your authority and pedigree to make nearly every topic here about your vast stores of knowledge, your better understanding of history and your pontifical seal which you must grant to nearly all threads of any seriousness?

Please fill us in on your prestigious academic background

Nice rant, SWMAP. Nice to know I've made an impression on you.

[48009]

Nice rant, SWMAP. Nice to know I've made an impression on you.

So since you didn't answer his question, what year did you drop out of Wayne St?

[Detroitnerd]

So since you didn't answer his question, what year did you drop out of Wayne St?

Now that's some quality trolling, 48009. Nice to see you stick to the topic and avoid personal attacks.

[Eber Brock Ward]

To be fair, and while I generally agree with him, Sugrue's work should not be treated like the Bible, as so many planners and planners-at-heart around here do.

It's more of an advocacy piece, where he starts with a thesis and then builds a case for it with data supporting his position, than a piece where he lays out all of the data and then subsequently draws a conclusion.

[48009]

Not trolling. You are the one who questioned an EXPERT, who has the highest credentials anyone in his field can earn. So it begs the question, what exactly are your credentials? In my experience, the only people who shy away from their educational background are those that never earned a diploma.

[Detroitnerd]

Not trolling. You are the one who questioned an EXPERT, who has the highest credentials anyone in his field can earn. So it begs the question, what exactly are your credentials? In my experience, the only people who shy away from their educational background are those that never earned a diploma.

Thomas Sowell is a talented polemicist, a right-wing ideologue who marshals a few selective facts that happen to support his thesis and then makes a case for his ideology. I've read Thomas Sowell's columns for almost 30 years, so I think I know his biases pretty well. Maybe you don't. Maybe you do. But there's a lot more to Detroit's history than a few statistics assembled by an ideological ax-grinder.

Anyway, I know this game too well.

When somebody would rather derail the discussion by questioning the bona fides of somebody discussing it, you can be pretty darn sure that person has hit upon something right.

[Toka313]

Not trolling. You are the one who questioned an EXPERT, who has the highest credentials anyone in his field can earn. So it begs the question, what exactly are your credentials? In my experience, the only people who shy away from their educational background are those that never earned a diploma.

Sugrue has the highest accolades in his field, and would wholeheartedly disagree with Sowell's analysis.

[stasu1213]

Detroit was in the bid in 1961 for the 1968 Olympics. It was a progressive city only on the surface. It was deteriotating financially underneath since the 1950s to the period of the 1967 riot