Duggan opposes widening of highways.

[Wesley Mouch]

Wes, I'm glad to have somebody to disagree with because it usually spurs me on to clarify my thoughts. But your arguments are so specious I really don't feel that challenged by them.

If freeways were so necessary to cities, explain the success of the city of Vancouver?

I also appreciate the opportunity to explore my brilliance, I mean clarify my thoughts. I will try to direct more of my brilliance your way so as to break through your hard protective shell of erroneous information.

I don't think freeways are essential for civic success. But I do think they are very healthy.

Vancouver is fringe case. Only Canadian city on the Pacific. Rail terminus. Major port. What moves through Vancouver moves because it must. And it moves slowly. Freeways are less important where the road ends. There is virtually no through traffic. Only one 2-lane road goes north.

[Detroitnerd]

Oh, yes. A fringe case. Because it's the only place the freeway-maniacs never got to put their plans for urban freeways into action.

We shouldn't cheer on economic activity for its own sake. That's how you end up with prisons, casinos, parking lots, Howard Johnsons and enormous freeways.

We should cheer on economic activity that improves the quality of urban life.

Not that which shaves 60 seconds, max off the commute of people who want to zip through at 95 MPH.

[Hermod]

We shouldn't cheer on economic activity for its own sake. That's how you end up with prisons, casinos, parking lots, Howard Johnsons and enormous freeways.

And I always thought that the size of prisons was based on the criminal generating capability of the populace.

Lot fewer HoJos around with all the freeways than there were before freeways started.l

[antongast]

And I always thought that the size of prisons was based on the criminal generating capability of the populace.

You're behind the times.

[Honky Tonk]

You're behind the times.

A McPrison.

[ghettopalmetto]

I was in Manhattan this past weekend, and my first thought was, "What a dump!". That place seriously needs some economic activity. If only they were smart enough to build an eighteen-lane-wide freeway connecting Brooklyn to Wall Street to Times Square, and on to the Bronx, they might have a chance of real economic development. Idiots.

[canuck]

I was in Manhattan this past weekend, and my first thought was, "What a dump!". That place seriously needs some economic activity. If only they were smart enough to build an eighteen-lane-wide freeway connecting Brooklyn to Wall Street to Times Square, and on to the Bronx, they might have a chance of real economic development. Idiots.

They get by in their own clickety clack kind of way.

[Detroitnerd]

I was in Manhattan this past weekend, and my first thought was, "What a dump!". That place seriously needs some economic activity. If only they were smart enough to build an eighteen-lane-wide freeway connecting Brooklyn to Wall Street to Times Square, and on to the Bronx, they might have a chance of real economic development. Idiots.

Don't you know detroityes logic yet?

When you're talking about preserving the status quo, you can bring up other cities and show them as examples.

But when you challenge the status quo, no other city may be compared to Detroit. Such comparisons are greeted with the cry, "APPLES! ORANGES! APPLES! ORANGES!"

[ghettopalmetto]

When you're talking about preserving the status quo, you can bring up other cities and show them as examples.

But when you challenge the status quo, no other city may be compared to Detroit. Such comparisons are greeted with the cry, "APPLES! ORANGES! APPLES! ORANGES!"

I don't know what you're talking about. I can't wait for I-94 to be widened! Then Detroit will be an exciting, modern city like this:



Look at all that economic growth!

[stasu1213]

I was in Manhattan this past weekend, and my first thought was, "What a dump!". That place seriously needs some economic activity. If only they were smart enough to build an eighteen-lane-wide freeway connecting Brooklyn to Wall Street to Times Square, and on to the Bronx, they might have a chance of real economic development. Idiots.

No city could have a successful economic development as Detroit has. Where else could a person enjoy outside dining at your favorite restaurant on the famous "Broadway Street" and get harass by grown urchins who would say polite things to you after you refuses to give them some change. Detroit; a place where if one raise a family he/she would get a friendly occasional visits by your friendly neighborhood cop imposter. You don't have to open the door for him; he or they would just kick it down. Detroit, a place that is an envy of all major metropolis that has subways and light rail systems. They have to go through the trouble of maintaining theirs. Detroit doesn't for it is just a figment in residents imaginations so they could travel light rail vicariously while waiting on a slow ass bus to come along.

[Honky Tonk]

No city could have a successful economic development as Detroit has. Where else could a person enjoy outside dining at your favorite restaurant on the famous "Broadway Street" and get harass by grown urchins who would say polite things to you after you refuses to give them some change. Detroit; a place where if one raise a family he/she would get a friendly occasional visits by your friendly neighborhood cop imposter. You don't have to open the door for him; he or they would just kick it down. Detroit, a place that is an envy of all major metropolis that has subways and light rail systems. They have to go through the trouble of maintaining theirs. Detroit doesn't for it is just a figment in residents imaginations so they could travel light rail vicariously while waiting on a slow ass bus to come along.

All 3.3 miles of 150 mil, high speed rail.