1990 ABC Primetime

[Islandman]

It's dashiki. Enjoy..

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...GaKTyQHX2YGIAg

[Honky Tonk]

Nope - $11 beers at the Joe and maybe a couple loose's at Laffayette. Maybe drop a twen into a slot and bolt. No gas, no clothes, no groceries [[obviously) and definitely no daishikis, cuz I have no clue what those are.

I think you'd look GREAT in one.

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[Drexciya68]

Suburban Rizzos no longer have Coleman Young to blame, so now they blame the hundreds of thousands of poor Detroiters for not "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps."

"Poor Detroiters"? There are much "poorer" areas in the State and they don't have a fraction of the crime, violence, murders and incompetent and corrupt leaders as Detroit. Yes I place a lot of blame on coleman young's administration that helped lead Detroit into the gutter for 20 years. I blame him and many of his crooked friends and cronies. I also blame the total lack of accountability by crooks like coleman, kwame and the rest of the losers who have embarrassed my hometown since I was born.

[Detroitnerd]

"Poor Detroiters"? There are much "poorer" areas in the State and they don't have a fraction of the crime, violence, murders...

Must be all that blackness, then. Or maybe it's just the daishikis, fried chicken and that appetite for watermelon.

[Detroitnerd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M

[TKshreve]

I think you'd look GREAT in one.

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It's like hippie meets snuggie, sprinkled with angel dust.

[coracle]

I figure all you white racists know who you are. You don't have to admit it, not that you would, naturally. It's all about "crime" and "property values" and "good schools," of course.

No it isn't; we know how to put those things right. The real reason is not wanting to live with people with opinions like yours.

[Drexciya68]

Must be all that blackness, then. Or maybe it's just the daishikis, fried chicken and that appetite for watermelon.

Your comments are a reflection of your own ignorance. Good luck with that.

[Detroitnerd]

Your comments are a reflection of your own ignorance. Good luck with that.

Hey, you pointed out that there are plenty of areas [[white, I presume?) that have poverty but not as many social ills. I'm just trying to imagine what all those Detroiters have in common other than poverty. Gee, hmmmm... Just throwing some suggestions out there. If the inescapable conclusion seems to be that you think blacks are more prone to killing each other and electing corrupt politicians, don't blame me because it makes you feel uncomfortable to see it expressed in writing.

[DetroitPlanner]

ABC? I just bought a washer, dryer, and stove. I got a good deal on them there.

[Shollin]

ABC? I just bought a washer, dryer, and stove. I got a good deal on them there.

If you got those appliances in white you're a racist.

[Dexlin]

I've come here less and less in the past year or so, maybe once a month if even that. And so little has changed.

Don't ever change, DetroitYes.

But, god bless you, you couldn't if you wanted to, poor things. Metro Detroit remains a clusterfuck of self-resentment and hate and denial like it's always been, except that this time, no economic boom can paper over the rotted base on which this region stands and has stood for many, many, many decades.

You know, Atlanta once had this bullshit lie of a refrain that it was a city "Too Busy to Hate." Or, maybe it wasn't a lie. Maybe it was the God's honest truth that they didn't hate because they didn't want to, but because they were too busy to do it in public. Well, Metro Detroit is a city "Too Idle to Do Anything Other Than Hate."

So long as you're content with time passing you by, what else is to be expected? Misery loves company, but it's perfectly willing to stew in its own juices all alone on its blighted stoop, too.

[old guy]

"Poor Detroiters"? There are much "poorer" areas in the State and they don't have a fraction of the crime, violence, murders and incompetent and corrupt leaders as Detroit. Yes I place a lot of blame on coleman young's administration that helped lead Detroit into the gutter for 20 years. I blame him and many of his crooked friends and cronies. I also blame the total lack of accountability by crooks like coleman, kwame and the rest of the losers who have embarrassed my hometown since I was born.

Come on, I lived in Detroit before Coleman Young was mayor and the city was one filled with about as many corrupt politicians as any city I've ever lived in. Hell, we used to make weekly payments directly to judges in order to function in the city. It was almost done right out in the open, and was normal policy. It's always been just about like any other big city or small town across the country. I always thought it was a bit dysfunctional though.

I lived in Chicago before I lived in Detroit and was in some weird way impressed with how corrupt the politicians were. They were so good at it, they actually made the city function well. I was never involved with anything there, just an observer, but it truly was a well oiled machine. For some odd reason, the government there functioned as well as a non corrupt governing body probably would have.

Maybe Young's administration had problems, but to say that corruption in Detroit politics began when he became mayor is somewhat naive in my opinion.

[Honky Tonk]

If you got those appliances in white you're a racist.

It's the closest thing to Ho' sale....

[softailrider]

Come on, I lived in Detroit before Coleman Young was mayor and the city was one filled with about as many corrupt politicians as any city I've ever lived in. Hell, we used to make weekly payments directly to judges in order to function in the city. It was almost done right out in the open, and was normal policy. It's always been just about like any other big city or small town across the country. I always thought it was a bit dysfunctional though.

I lived in Chicago before I lived in Detroit and was in some weird way impressed with how corrupt the politicians were. They were so good at it, they actually made the city function well. I was never involved with anything there, just an observer, but it truly was a well oiled machine. For some odd reason, the government there functioned as well as a non corrupt governing body probably would have.

Maybe Young's administration had problems, but to say that corruption in Detroit politics began when he became mayor is somewhat naive in my opinion.

I believe all of the above is completely true. However, the fact remains that at the beginning of CAY's first administration the city was still a fully functional, livable place even after the 1967 riot. After the end of his terms, Detroit looked pretty much like it does now. Don't tell me that isn't true, I've lived or worked in the city for 50 years, I saw it all happen.

[compn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...LcV4o1k#t=280s

"every year on halloween eve, while other cities have trick or treating or window soaping, detroit is engulfed in an orgy of arson."

other cities have trick or treaters on halloween eve? do they trick or treat on halloween too? are you telling me kids get 2 days to trick or treat everywhere else??

kinda sad the rest of the report. i'm curious what the first year 'ruin porn' started. this report has a lot of ruin porn.

fun seeing the 'i'm not racist, but if black people move near me there will be drugs and prostitution' guy. i wonder what his definition of racist is?

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Come on, I lived in Detroit before Coleman Young was mayor and the city was one filled with about as many corrupt politicians as any city I've ever lived in. Hell, we used to make weekly payments directly to judges in order to function in the city. It was almost done right out in the open, and was normal policy. It's always been just about like any other big city or small town across the country. I always thought it was a bit dysfunctional though.

I lived in Chicago before I lived in Detroit and was in some weird way impressed with how corrupt the politicians were. They were so good at it, they actually made the city function well. I was never involved with anything there, just an observer, but it truly was a well oiled machine. For some odd reason, the government there functioned as well as a non corrupt governing body probably would have.

Maybe Young's administration had problems, but to say that corruption in Detroit politics began when he became mayor is somewhat naive in my opinion.

All valid points. When the corrupt white administrations of Louis Miriani and Jerome Cavanaugh preceded CAY, it's barely a blip on the radar screen. Miriani was a devout racist, and Cavanaugh encouraged "white flight" from the city after the riots. CAY had his faults, but he didn't start the demise of Detroit. It started in the late 50's throughout the 60's.

[Drexciya68]

All valid points. When the corrupt white administrations of Louis Miriani and Jerome Cavanaugh preceded CAY, it's barely a blip on the radar screen. Miriani was a devout racist, and Cavanaugh encouraged "white flight" from the city after the riots. CAY had his faults, but he didn't start the demise of Detroit. It started in the late 50's throughout the 60's.

The worse thing coleman the crook did was poison the minds of Detroiters. He brainwashed residents for 20 years. That's 20 YEARS of him getting pass after pass from residents who accepted the race card he pulled every time he was challenged. He put some of the most crooked and incompetent people into top City positions. Many of whom later went to prison for serious charges. My family moved lived through the riots and even moved to a larger house on the East Side in 1969. It wasn't til the conditions coleman young ENCOURAGED that I saw the heart and soul of Detroit flee for their lives. The drop in the quality of life from 1974-1992 was horrendous. coleman was a lowlife and the ultimate manipulator. Some fools still praise that loser.

[Drexciya68]

coleman young created BLACK FLIGHT! People saw where he was leading Detroit [[lower and lower) and got the hell out. Many burbs were extremely mixed by the mid 1980s and their schools filled with ex Detroiters. Many "Blacks" and "Whites" wanted out so bad that they would move just less than a mile OUTSIDE the city limits. Coleman was BAD for Detroit and Detroiters in so many ways. It's not about race but it is about coleman the weasel using the race card to cover his crooked and corrupt ass for almost 20 years.
Even coleman's best friends, family and top city officials were leaving outside Detroit in the burbs by 1990. Many used money they stole from tax payers to buy 2nd homes outside Detroit. coleman has other homes bought with dirty money, too.

[old guy]

I do agree with softail that the city was still pretty vibrant after the riots. I moved to Detroit shortly after the riots. I'm not defending or chastising Coleman Young. I left Detroit before he was elected mayor and don't know much about his administration other than what I've read.

I left Detroit, not because of its problems, but because I had other things to do at the time. All I'm saying is that prior to him becoming mayor, I think the corruption in the city was already well established, probably for at least a century. Who knows? But the corrupt policies in the city prior to Young were run by upstanding, beyond reproach community members that seemingly walked away unaffected by their practices.

We were merely pawns in E. J. Harris's plans for Peche Island and other real estate development plans. All probably legal but corrupt in if nothing else an ethical sense. There were a lot of people that were doing some really underhanded dealings that had little to do with how the city as a whole fared or how things turned out for entire neighborhoods. But they were just doing business, never took any heat and were never judged by the city or the people because they were behind the scenes. Personally, I don't see much difference between what these people were doing and what happened in the following decades. Sometimes when people begin dismantling a community for their own profit, it takes a while for the effects to rise to the surface.

[corktownyuppie]

I figure all you white racists know who you are. You don't have to admit it, not that you would, naturally. It's all about "crime" and "property values" and "good schools," of course.

I grew up in the city. Every school I went to was in the city. Every school had a majority of students who came into the city from the suburbs, with people from the city in the minority. My high school was 30-40% black.

I want low crime.
I want stable property values.
I want good schools.

And the reality is that the ability to get all 3 of those while living in the city requires lots of effort and lots of resources.

So, yes, there racists. Lots and lots and lots racists. And I believe they're in the wrong.

But that shouldn't stop us from looking in the mirror. Let's create neighborhoods with low crime. Let's take care of our neighborhoods so that property values are stable. And let's educate our children with both academic knowledge and real world values. And if you can't do that, then maybe you shouldn't have children yet.

Racists did plenty of wrong to Detroit and to the people in it. Deindustrialization did a lot of wrong, too. But holy shit, a lot of it -- a whole lot of it -- we've done to ourselves. Both at the governmental and even at the community level.

Could you imagine if we made it a social norm -- not a governmental requirement -- that you didn't have more than 2 children? And that you didn't have them until age 30? Cuz if you can't handle educating 2 of your children at age 30...you sure as hell won't be able to handle educating 5 of them at age 23. That's not racist. That's just arithmetic.

Why isn't Jesse Jackson asking for a thousands of people to march against having 6 children that you can't parent? Why isn't Al Sharpton asking a million men to march in favor of not having children until both parents have an education?

There's a lot of ugliness and racism in the world. But some of the changes that we can make in our communities are things we can do regardless of how shitty and ignorant parts of our community are.

[compn]

you can blame the racists for everything if you want.

but i dont think the racists are out there stealing $200 nikes from the students at the bus stops.
i dont think you can blame the racists for the 300+ drug-gang murders in detroit each year.
the racists probably didnt create the messed up budget and bankrupt the city year after year. cutting fire, police and ems.

you can blame racists for creating anti-drug laws and encouraging gangs to enter the drug trade. when drugs are legal, like alcohol, those drug related murders will dissapear. the racists are the ones who think 300+ murders a year is worth it.

[ejames01]

You people are really racist.