"We need to stop BS-ing ourselves" - Mayor Bing, on opposing action to appeal EM

[313WX]

i heard bing on the radio, from what he said i thought he was going to fight the EM.

Bing's senile [[you can see it in his eyes), he doesn't know what he's doing.

He did the same type of flip flopping during the consent agreement legal battle.

This time, his puppet master Kriss Andrews told him to accept the EM.

It's another reason why he should go back to Franklin yesterday. I just hate we have to be stuck with him until January.

[Danny]

See what this person wrote on YOU TUBE comments about Dr. Alonzo Flemming's message!


from NotQuiteSurprised AtAll
"If you eliminate níggėrs from Detroit you will have not have rebuilt Detroit but you have allowed the conditions to rebuild a city there, be it Detroit or NoFückïngNïggêrsville."

I was shocked!

[GPCharles]

I'm sorry, but where is the alternative plan. Council had 18 months to come up with something but all they did was piss and moan about everything. WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN? What is there that can be compared to the EM?

They keep saying we can fix this - HOW?

[brizee]

Bing's senile [[you can see it in his eyes), he doesn't know what he's doing.

He did the same type of flip flopping during the consent agreement legal battle.

This time, his puppet master Kriss Andrews told him to accept the EM.

It's another reason why he should go back to Franklin yesterday. I just hate we have to be stuck with him until January.

The stunt he pulled with the city lawyer was shameful.

Authorizing the letter dismissing the EM powers then denying, and saying two diametrically different things in Detroit, and then the suburbs the next.

I'm not much for chauvinism, but when you're the boss continually throwing subordinate women under the bus just feels gross.

And if this is how he really feels, that the state is better equipped to run the city. Quit. Right now.

Detroit elected you to be mayor, nothing else. Resign and give up the salary and mansion you said you wouldn't take.

[Motor City Sam]

Funny that Bing would use that term since he has spewed out more BS than anyone else in town the past few years. And that's saying something.

[louis]

Would someone explain to me why the EFM laws are anti-demoractic.

appointing a dictator is just a little too romanistic to be considered democratic.

[GPCharles]

Yet it is being done under a state law that was approved by the state legislature and signed by the governor, all of whom were elected by the citizens of this state.

[KJ5]

The voters also repealed Public Act 4 which allows the appointment of an Emergency Dictator, so Republicans just rammed through an almost identical law so they could still do it. Also, citizens of the city of Detroit have elected their own representatives whose say will no longer count.

[TexasT]

The voters also repealed Public Act 4 which allows the appointment of an Emergency Dictator, so Republicans just rammed through an almost identical law so they could still do it. Also, citizens of the city of Detroit have elected their own representatives whose say will no longer count.

Why do people keep saying it's an almost identical law? PA4 allowed only for an EM. The new law gives the choice of four different options, ONE of which is an EM. That's very different. I'd vote against PA4; I wouldn't vote against the new one.

And sometimes elected officials are removed - like impeachment. That doesn't make it undemocratic. We democratically elected a council that democratically voted for a consent agreement that ALLOWS an EM to come in under certain circumstances. I don't think this is undemocratic. Detroiters had their say through their elected council, state reps, and governor.

[dmike76]

I applaud Bing for finally being honest about the situation. It's about time someone in the city government got their heads out of their asses and admitted that there's a huge problem that they can't fix. Bring in the EM and let's see what can be done.

[Honky Tonk]

Would someone explain to me why the EFM laws are anti-demoractic. I just don't see it.

What are the inalienable rights that are being destroyed?

When you drive 70mph, you lose your right to a driver's license. When you vote leaders who spend more than you have, you lose the right to control your pocketbook.

Or a related question, if EFM is anti-democractic, is bankruptcy also anti-democratic? If not, why not?

[[This just seems like a canard to me. Wrapping bad behavior with the flag to make it seem patriotic.)

I sure didn't vote for incompetence, the City being run into the ground, constant bickering with no apparent path forward, no accountability, mismanagement, a greater lack of services, or my tax $s being squandered. If THAT'S what YOU voted for, then you have every right to oppose the EFM.

[Wesley Mouch]

Why do people keep saying it's an almost identical law? PA4 allowed only for an EM. The new law gives the choice of four different options, ONE of which is an EM. That's very different. I'd vote against PA4; I wouldn't vote against the new one.

And sometimes elected officials are removed - like impeachment. That doesn't make it undemocratic. We democratically elected a council that democratically voted for a consent agreement that ALLOWS an EM to come in under certain circumstances. I don't think this is undemocratic. Detroiters had their say through their elected council, state reps, and governor.

You see, they keep saying it because a gullible public buys this. It sounds so patriotic. But its not patriotic, its pathetic. It makes no sense whatsoever -- except as brilliant political theatre.

Just remember this anti-democratic comedy play is from the same Union director as another flop, 'Card Check Voting is Democratic'. A play where the voters can no longer cast a secret ballot, but instead can be coerced privately to vote in favor of a Union by signing their name. The best dance number is 'Dues, Glorious Dues' with a kick line of management suits from the union headquarters.

[Mark Smiles]

Right. No causal relationship there. EFM is given broad powers with no democratic oversight or control, awards contract to indicted company, and the good people of Pontiac can demand ... recall? Not elect him? Fire him? How do you fight the decisions of a person who isn't elected, and is given broad, unilateral power?

The City operates under State Law, it is not sovereign or independent of the State.

The Governor and the State Legislature are elected, The EFM will operate under their authority. Democracy is not threatened in the least.

[Detroitnerd]

The City operates under State Law, it is not sovereign or independent of the State.

The Governor and the State Legislature are elected, The EFM will operate under their authority. Democracy is not threatened in the least.

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. And this shit would totally not fly unless the people whose democracy was being abrogated were majority minority.

But keep telling yourself that. I know you will.

[Wesley Mouch]

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. And this shit would totally not fly unless the people whose democracy was being abrogated were majority minority.

But keep telling yourself that. I know you will.

My dear Nerd,

Can you please identify a right that is being abrogated? I don't see it.

You see racism. I see a Republican governor caring about Detroit. We should be rejoicing.

[douglasm]

Well, if the EFM institutes new taxes or fees within the city, the voters have no recourse, those taxes and fees not being voted on by their elected represenatives. I believe it's called "taxation without representation".

I'm not arguing against an EFM, but it is a drastic measure that basically disenfranchises the voters within a jurisdiction.

[mwilbert]

Bullshit. Utter and complete bullshit. And this shit would totally not fly unless the people whose democracy was being abrogated were majority minority.

But keep telling yourself that. I know you will.

Aside from the fact that it is happening as a result of the action of the people's elected representatives [[both by omission locally and by commission statewide), it has happened to communities that weren't majority minority, so I really don't see your point.

[mwilbert]

Well, if the EFM institutes new taxes or fees within the city, the voters have no recourse, those taxes and fees not being voted on by their elected represenatives. I believe it's called "taxation without representation".

I'm not arguing against an EFM, but it is a drastic measure that basically disenfranchises the voters within a jurisdiction.

One of the criticisms of the EFM is that they don't have the power to raise revenues. They basically have executive superpowers, but executives in Michigan cities don't have the power of taxation.

[Hermod]

The political subdivisions of a state are not sovereign. The counties, cities, townships, and villages are instrumentalities of the state. The state may charter them or de-charter them. The state may combine them. The state is the ultimate authority when it comes to its various political subdivisions. The state is governed by the people of the state through their elected governor and legislature.

[compn]

snyders approval rating is 37%.
what will the approval rating of his appointee be?

[Honky Tonk]

snyders approval rating is 37%.
what will the approval rating of his appointee be?

Another question would be what is the approval rating of the Mayor? The City Council?

[mwilbert]

The political subdivisions of a state are not sovereign. The counties, cities, townships, and villages are instrumentalities of the state. The state may charter them or de-charter them. The state may combine them. The state is the ultimate authority when it comes to its various political subdivisions. The state is governed by the people of the state through their elected governor and legislature.

Well, they can if it is allowed by the state constitution. Certainly it would be possible to change the constitution without the agreement of the citizens of Detroit, but without changing it I don't think the state actually has the power to charter, de-charter, or combine cities without their consent.

I agree with what I think is your implication, which is that the people of Detroit will not be meaningfully disenfranchised when an EFM takes over under the laws of Michigan. I would claim [[as did Honky Tonk earlier) that even if the people of Detroit voted for the mayor and council, they didn't vote for total dysfunction.

[gnome]

Do you people understand that neither the Mayor nor the Council members are removed from office? Yep, they stay if they want to, they just won't have any authority to spend money.

they can debate all those resolutions the care so much about. They can cut ribbons and kiss babies. They can sing and march and hold town hall meetings. They can listen to the people they represent.

Maybe they will be paid for their work, or maybe not, that is TBD. But the notion that the folks on the Council are going to be issued cardboard boxes and escorted out of CAY is plain untrue.

By the word untrue, I mean wrong, informed, misinformed, delusional, exploitive and tin-foil hat crazy.

[Lowell]

But the notion that the folks on the Council are going to be issued cardboard boxes and escorted out of CAY is plain untrue.

Well yeah-uh. That's only because all the cardboard boxes are gone too.

[Wesley Mouch]

Do you people understand that neither the Mayor nor the Council members are removed from office? Yep, they stay if they want to, they just won't have any authority to spend money.

they can debate all those resolutions the care so much about. They can cut ribbons and kiss babies. They can sing and march and hold town hall meetings. They can listen to the people they represent.

Maybe they will be paid for their work, or maybe not, that is TBD. But the notion that the folks on the Council are going to be issued cardboard boxes and escorted out of CAY is plain untrue.

By the word untrue, I mean wrong, informed, misinformed, delusional, exploitive and tin-foil hat crazy.

Very melodramatic. This idea that the council and mayor will only able to 'cut ribbons and kiss babies'.

The truth is they are sorely needed. They need to work with the EFM to get this city fixed. its a huge job. And if they fight instead of work together, it'll be that much harder, and that much less likely to work, and take that much longer.

Leaders are needed. I hope they choose to be leaders, and not idiots.