HFCC Student killed, 2 others wounded in Detroit Barber Shop shooting

[ejames01]

Let me help you out genius:
Thuggery The English word "thug" is a truncation of 'thuggee'. It is one of many Indian words borrowed into English during the British colonial period. The English connotation of 'thug' is synonymous with terms like hoodlum and hooligan, indicating a person [[or may or may not be anti-social) who harasses others, usually for hire. People regarded as thugs might commit assault [[or 'menace'), battery, even robbery and grievous bodily harm, but they usually stop short of murder. Additionally, "thugs" usually travel in pairs, though they can work alone or in groups of four to six members, and are typically open about their presence [[except to law enforcement officials); while "Thuggee" were covert and operated as members of a group, often called a "Thuggee cult" by the British. Hence, the word "Thuggee" is capitalised while the word "thug" usually is not; which enables distinction of a "Thug" [[here, a short form of "Thuggee") from a "thug". In the heyday of Thuggee activity, travellers were typically part of a caravan group, so the term Thuggee typically referred to killing of a large number of people in a single operation. This aspect distinguishes Thuggee from similar concept of Dacoity, which means simple armed robbery. Dacoity has similarities with the terms brigand and bandit from European and Latin American experience, but there appear to be no exact Western parallels for Thuggee. Perhaps the closest concepts would be the format of piracy, though this is solely maritime robbery [[usually with murder), and the earlier, but similar, format of raids on coastal settlements by Viking seafarers. Some aspects, however, are reminiscent of the Mafia group of organisations. Between them, these classes of criminal activity illustrate some of the mystique that attached to the Thugs and the complex mixture of fear and dread of these murderous Alpha predators that was felt by the ordinary people who might well be their potential victims. There is some question as to the extent of the religious dimension of Thuggee. Most contemporary sources described Thuggee as being a religious cult, but some modern sources feel it was merely a specialised form of organised crime or paramilitary activity, with no particular religious dimension beyond the normal piety of the villagers from whom its members were recruited.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

I know where the term comes from. It is a derogatory term. If that one is too harsh, just use one of these.

trash
loser
scum
criminal
dirt bag
hoodlum

[corktownyuppie]

are there any other safe zones in the D, where gun play is off limits???, im a suburbanite and only venture into the city for things like Tiger Games, Red Wing Games, and some Slows BBQ, are there areas off limits for gun play or if something breaks out should I hightail it to the nearest barbershop..... is it like "ghoul", where if my hand is on the barbershop door i'm safe from being shot........???? also, if I go downtown and carry my clippers and scissors, does that make me a traveling barber and off limits to lead???? curious, just want to stay safe in the D....

Goose, not sure if you're asking facetiously or sincerely.

My three observations after moving back to Detroit 3 years ago and having not witnessed one gunshot or known a single victim of a violent crime:

[[1) Downtown/Midtown/Corktown/Greektown are extremely safe. I know young female residents of all races who regularly bike, walk, and go jogging alone in these areas without incident.

[[2) Safety is less about geographic area and more about whom you interact with. If you're engaging in nefarious business or out clubbing at 3 a.m. on a Wednesday night, chances of incident are much higher than a Tiger Game, a trip to the DIA, or dinner at Slow's -- during which likelihood of incident literally approaches zero.

"Nefarious business" is not a racial or cultural euphemism.

[[3) Violent interactions are for more highly correlated with interpersonal conflict than with random acts of burglary. Lesson? Avoid conflict. And when you get it, disengage and move away.

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

Goose, not sure if you're asking facetiously or sincerely.

My three observations after moving back to Detroit 3 years ago and having not witnessed one gunshot or known a single victim of a violent crime:

[[1) Downtown/Midtown/Corktown/Greektown are extremely safe. I know young female residents of all races who regularly bike, walk, and go jogging alone in these areas without incident.

[[2) Safety is less about geographic area and more about whom you interact with. If you're engaging in nefarious business or out clubbing at 3 a.m. on a Wednesday night, chances of incident are much higher than a Tiger Game, a trip to the DIA, or dinner at Slow's -- during which likelihood of incident literally approaches zero.

"Nefarious business" is not a racial or cultural euphemism.

[[3) Violent interactions are for more highly correlated with interpersonal conflict than with random acts of burglary. Lesson? Avoid conflict. And when you get it, disengage and move away.

Corktown,
I've been reading your posts here for some time now so I would say you have a fairly good grasp on livin in the D, as you have accurately listed the four "extremely safe places to go in the D" could you as a public service also list the extremely dangerous areas or places that "you" wouldn't be caught dead in [[no pun intended") day or night.

And on you not being sure if he was being facetiously or not...I'm pretty sure he was being tongue and cheek about mobile barbershop gun free zones.

[kenp]

If a guy can walk up to a good neighborhood business at 10:30 in the morning and start shooting then its a sad situation.
Any news on the shooter? Hopefully the living victims are going to be ok.
I wonder what we would be talking about if the victim killed the shooter first.

[corktownyuppie]

Corktown,
I've been reading your posts here for some time now so I would say you have a fairly good grasp on livin in the D, as you have accurately listed the four "extremely safe places to go in the D" could you as a public service also list the extremely dangerous areas or places that "you" wouldn't be caught dead in [[no pun intended") day or night.

And on you not being sure if he was being facetiously or not...I'm pretty sure he was being tongue and cheek about mobile barbershop gun free zones.

Well, on the presumption that he is actually a suburbanite tourist coming into the city, I [[perhaps incorrectly) assumed that he's not out exactly asking if there are any cool dive bars at Morang and Moross.

I would say that most place in the city are fairly safe. When I'm not in the tourist-y areas, I'm usually in the University District, Rosedale Park, or Southwest Detroit.

But again, danger is not about geography as it is about person-agrophy.

It's not the barbershop or its location that is dangerous. It's about de-escalating conflict and choosing which crowd to run with.

You could be on the 14th floor of a totally secure high-rise, but if the people you let into your apartment have anger management issues, then it doesn't really matter how much security you have.

Yes, there is crime and burglary. But the sheer majority of violence is between people who already knew each other. So is that a reflection of an inadequate police force? Or is it a reflection of people not knowing how to get along?

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

[QUOTE=corktownyuppie;333792]
I would say that most places in the city are fairly safe
But again, danger is not about geography as it is about person-agrophy.

It's not the barbershop or its location that is dangerous. It's about de-escalating conflict and choosing which crowd to run with.

CorkTJ
So that I can follow your line of thinking, are you saying that I as a lilly white boy wearing a Walkman, with an iPhone attached to my hip and a thick wallet bulging in my back pocket can do laps around that barber shop and I would never be in any danger or ever approached by a criminal minded resident that sees me as a target of opportunity? Cause I know I can take that same walk in corktown or midtown? My point is there are some VERY dangerous places in the D and people need to be aware that bad things may happen in that place...and by all accounts this neighborhood is one of em...violence is part of the equation of life in this hood.
- or - conversely going with your "person-agrophy theory" if the neighborhood that barber shop is in was populated with law abiding citizens I would still be ok... but that's not the case according to the Det news article there have been From July 24-30, 10 assaults within a mile radius of the barbershop, according to Detroit Police crime mapping software.

So is this still a safe place for me to go jogging as you mentioned in your previous post or are there just some down right dangerous and violent parts of Detroit that should be avoided by non residents at all costs. I think your theory danger is not about geography is flawed... the person-agrophy and geography go hand in hand...an area can become infested and saturated with crime and forever be changed. Looking at the D through rose colored glasses and thinking its just a few bad apples out there. I am also very happy you know of no one personally who has been touched by violent crime in the D, I would count your blessings.

[iheartthed]

Still no words of condolence for the man who lost his life? No, there is no double standard here...

[rex]

I wasn't able to see the posts about this issue on WDIV's website.
As far as how many children the late young man had or didn't have I'm not sure what that has to do with me or why you're telling me about it.
I mean no disrespect to you but the number of kids he had isn't something I addressed in either of my posts so why bring it up to me?

You seem to think I was replying to you, not the case.

[Bagley]

Cla1945..... you raise a very good point here worthy of discussion. I think it shakes the bedrock of Detroit culture. Is there, in fact, such unwritten rules as a barbershop being a safe haven? Can anyone attest to this claim?

I could see how people of a certain generation could feel that barbershops are still the sanctuaries they once were but they aren't. This barber shop sounds like it has been around for a while and may have more older clients who are prone to default to older information. All current information says that barber shops and actual sanctuaries are on the table and I always carry when going to the barber shop. It is not a comfortable place to be in some regards because it is common for people to walk in selling just about anything and barber shops are cash-based business.

[jolla]

Still no words of condolence for the man who lost his life? No, there is no double standard here...

Live by the sword, die by the sword. And judging from his hand signs and facial tattoos, he lived by the sword. [[He wasn't practicing American Sign Language in the picture.)

So, no.

[brizee]

Still no words of condolence for the man who lost his life? No, there is no double standard here...

Just look at this vicious, gangbanging ne'er-do-well. The lord take him from polite society.

[kenp]

I read his mother was killed violently when the victim was a baby. He was raised by his aunt. He was trying to better his life by going to college and supporting his kids. Everyone has a story, another victim of the streets.
We need to focus our anger toward the shooter

[firstandten]

I read his mother was killed violently when the victim was a baby. He was raised by his aunt. He was trying to better his life by going to college and supporting his kids. Everyone has a story, another victim of the streets.
We need to focus our anger toward the shooter

Yes, that is correct between his aunt and grandfather they tried there best. Thats what I referred to when I said he already had two strikes against him at a young age.

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

Still no words of condolence for the man who lost his life? No, there is no double standard here...

God rest his soul and prayers for his girlfriend and the children he fathered along the way that will no longer have him to guide them through life...
I've always said that each and every one of us has the gift of "opportunity" that being an American affords in the palm of our hands and the dream of success is truly available and achievable for all of us regardless of color or socioeconomic status. Now that being said...the road this young man traveled in the hood was rife with obstacles that maybe some of his classmates at HFCC didn't have to navigate. As someone posted earlier "with every step he took forward he took two steps backwards". You have to wonder if removed from his environment how he may have excelled...he obviously had plans for his future to better himself and maybe move beyond his peers in the hood...but the life of the hood still had its draw. I would hate to find out he was killed and others wounded because someone was disrespected...
So peace upon his soul

[trotwood]

You seem to think I was replying to you, not the case.

Yes that's exactly what I thought. I suppose you quoting me gave me the[[false?) impression you were replying to me.






rex Yesterday, 12:11 PM

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I've no idea what COD is.



cess pool of poorly written news articles and simple trashy commenters

weather or not its true in this case unless you have a large farm and its the 1930s there is no reason to have 6 kids at the age of 24. Completely irresponsible

[superduperman]

God rest his soul and prayers for his girlfriend and the children he fathered along the way that will no longer have him to guide them through life...
I've always said that each and every one of us has the gift of "opportunity" that being an American affords in the palm of our hands and the dream of success is truly available and achievable for all of us regardless of color or socioeconomic status. Now that being said...the road this young man traveled in the hood was rife with obstacles that maybe some of his classmates at HFCC didn't have to navigate. As someone posted earlier "with every step he took forward he took two steps backwards". You have to wonder if removed from his environment how he may have excelled...he obviously had plans for his future to better himself and maybe move beyond his peers in the hood...but the life of the hood still had its draw. I would hate to find out he was killed and others wounded because someone was disrespected...
So peace upon his soul

Strangely enough, this started after he got into it with some dudes at a gas station, they followed him to the barbershop, waited for him to come out and then tried to ambush him.

[Islandman]

What is strange about that?

[superduperman]

What is strange about that?

Its strange because Eastside is almost dead on with his assesment. None of what I said happened was reported in the news so unless Eastsidecat is psychic.........

[jolla]

Its strange because Eastside is almost dead on with his assesment. None of what I said happened was reported in the news so unless Eastsidecat is psychic........

...then Eastside is the killer?

[iheartthed]

God rest his soul and prayers for his girlfriend and the children he fathered along the way that will no longer have him to guide them through life...

I'm sure his family would appreciate these words. This thread should probably end now.

[fryar]

I'm sure his family would appreciate these words. This thread should probably end now.

Edit: It is tragic, of course. Remainder of post removed.

[Kevgoblue]

Live by the sword, die by the sword. And judging from his hand signs and facial tattoos, he lived by the sword. [[He wasn't practicing American Sign Language in the picture.)

So, no.

Didn't the story say he was enrolled in college? Maybe he was a member of a fraternity.
These guys in the library are throwing up simialar "gang signs".

[brizee]

Didn't the story say he was enrolled in college? Maybe he was a member of a fraternity.
These guys in the library are throwing up simialar "gang signs".

My cousin has frat tattoos, brands, 7 kids AND he drives a motorcycle.

Nice to know if he was fucking murdered, there would be a pack of demons falling over themselves to say he somehow had it coming.

I knew what a lot of posters here were about when they shit on the guy that was shot in the back by a gas station attendant.

[superduperman]

Didn't the story say he was enrolled in college? Maybe he was a member of a fraternity.
These guys in the library are throwing up simialar "gang signs".

I don't know, they look vicious to me? What are they doing in that place with books?

[cycledetroit]

Pretty sure the gang sign is Piru Blood gang - it is very "popular" in Los Angeles and a lot of young kids throw it up to be "cool" or whatever. I don't know much about detroit gangs, or if there are Piru gang members in Detroit.