New Strip Club Rules in Detroit!

[mjs]

Alot of the statements are ironic if you know that in the 70's Detroit had the most strip clubs per square mile anywhere in America. Then, they passed a law restricting how close a strip club can be to a church or school, justified on secondary affects, so that became the model for drastically reducing strip clubs without violating the First Amendment. Young v. American Mini Theatres. LBP hates the idea of any strip clubs in Oakland County so I'm sure keeping strippers in Detroit is something that can garner his support.

[thecarl]

Nothing like the regulation of morality by a "Holier Than Thou" espouter of religious doctrine. There is nothing more immoral than wearing pink ladies panties behind the pulpit or offering more than a wafer to an under-age boy, while preaching against these practices. Politicians and preachers doing the toe-tap morse code in truck stop and airport rest rooms also comes to mind.

There is nothing immoral with the naked human body in all it's shapes, colors or sizes. Why can't Americans adopt the European outlook on sexuality? Religious and Political Bullshit blinds the American public. There is a special place in Hell reserved for all these hippocrites.

sludge, i agree. hypocrisy is an outrage. but, is this debate about leaders who say one thing and do another, or about the impact strip clubs have on the community? if you know that the clergy who have expressed their interest in banning strip clubs in detroit are transvestities, pedophiles, and seeking illicit sex in toilets, call them out for their transgressions elsewhere. but, let this issue stand on its own merit.

i do agree that the human body is beautiful, and an art form. i'm generally okay with nudity. but, when nudity becomes sexuality, and sexuality becomes exploitation, and exploitation becomes synonymous with a culture of subjugation through alcohol, cocaine, lies, and the fleeting promise of financial riches - the net effect on society is negative. one doesn't need a politcian or religious figure to see the impact that strip clubs have in a community.

[thecarl]

Well, Detroit doesn't NEED wig shops, nail salons and liquor stores on every corner, either. It has them because there is a demand for them.

that's a lot of hyperbole about detroit, cheddar bob - but can you explain why detroit needs strip clubs? that's the original question.

as far as the wig shops and nail salons are concerned, the name "cheddar bob" shows your lack of appreciation for how these businesses are valued in their community. you should take a look at how they foster communication, self-esteem, and an economy, before you so quickly denounce them. as ridiculous as these businesses seem to you, cheddar bob, they are part of the fabric of urban communities, and are part of a valuable social bond.

[Downtown diva]

there seems to be alot of racism on this board. I thought this was DetroitYes, not Farmingtonhillsyes.

i am disappointed in the completely racist posts on this site, and wonder why some of your privileges havent been revoked. I have seen people banned from this site for far less. Don't mean to offend you, mr. moderator, but the fact that people are not only permitted, but often encouraged to spout unambiguously racist statements speaks loudly as to the intent of this board.

[cheddar bob]

that's a lot of hyperbole about detroit, cheddar bob - but can you explain why detroit needs strip clubs? that's the original question.

as far as the wig shops and nail salons are concerned, the name "cheddar bob" shows your lack of appreciation for how these businesses are valued in their community. you should take a look at how they foster communication, self-esteem, and an economy, before you so quickly denounce them. as ridiculous as these businesses seem to you, cheddar bob, they are part of the fabric of urban communities, and are part of a valuable social bond.

I'm not denouncing them. I'm saying they are there for a reason and that is because people want them there. If there was no market for them, they wouldn't be open. Strip clubs are there because there is a demand for them, too.

[Downtown diva]

Well, Detroit doesn't NEED wig shops, nail salons and liquor stores on every corner, either. It has them because there is a demand for them.

and don't even tell me that ANY OF YOU would want a strip club within a mile of your home.

if you do, you are a liar.

[cheddar bob]

as far as the wig shops and nail salons are concerned, the name "cheddar bob" shows your lack of appreciation for how these businesses are valued in their community. you should take a look at how they foster communication, self-esteem, and an economy, before you so quickly denounce them. as ridiculous as these businesses seem to you, cheddar bob, they are part of the fabric of urban communities, and are part of a valuable social bond.

I'm not sure what my screen name has to do with anything, but I think there is a "...lack of appreciation for how these businesses are valued in their community" in regards to strip clubs. I think you should look at how strip clubs foster communication, self-esteem, and an economy, before you so quickly denounce them. as ridiculous as these businesses seem to you, thecarl, they are part of the fabric of urban communities, and are part of a valuable social bond.

there seems to be alot of racism on this board. I thought this was DetroitYes, not Farmingtonhillsyes.

There seems to be a lot of stupidity on this board too, downtown diva. Also a lot of pushing of one individual's morals on evertone else.

i am disappointed in the completely racist posts on this site, and wonder why some of your privileges havent been revoked.

I'm disappointed that you feel the need to deprive everyone else of a perfectly legal leisure activity because you don't condone it.

I think you're reading a little too much into my examples. I used them because of the sheer number of establishments, not because of their clientele. In a city that is 90% black, there going to be a preponderance of businesses that cater to blacks, genius.

[cheddar bob]

and don't even tell me that ANY OF YOU would want a strip club within a mile of your home.

if you do, you are a liar.

There are several strip clubs within a mile of my house, but you don't see me crying over it. So, I guess that makes you the liar, now doesn't it? I can count on two hands how many times I've been to a strip club so it's not like it's a business that exactly caters to me and you still don't hear me whining about it as much as you.

How's the evidence coming that "...most of the people who go to thse "clubs" are from the suburbs"? Working hard on getting that, huh?

[crawford]

I don't really care if there's a strip club close to my house.

I'd take it over a rowdy after-hours joint. Heck, I'd even take it over most high schools. Schools generate tons of traffic, noise and rowdyism.

[mjs]

there seems to be alot of racism on this board. I thought this was DetroitYes, not Farmingtonhillsyes.

Racist or anti-religious? I don't think you're talking about me, but I can't understand who you are talking about. If the Farmington Hills thing is directed to me, I only meant to point out the ridiculousness of wanting to keep them to add to the tax base or that the suburbs would want to steal such an industry from Detroit. Wherever I live, I'd be against them, but if Detroiters want them, this suburbanite isn't going to be a racist and tell Detroiters how to develop their community.

[thecarl]

I'm not sure what my screen name has to do with anything, but I think there is a "...lack of appreciation for how these businesses are valued in their community" in regards to strip clubs. I think you should look at how strip clubs foster communication, self-esteem, and an economy, before you so quickly denounce them. as ridiculous as these businesses seem to you, thecarl, they are part of the fabric of urban communities, and are part of a valuable social bond.

cheddar, i have done exactly that, in detail. you have responded with a flippant remark in order to amuse yourself and feel clever. when you have something better than the "i'm rubber, you're glue" retort, i'd be glad to hear it. you're probably capable of delivering a better response, but the one above is entirely juvenile.

[thecarl]

I don't really care if there's a strip club close to my house.

I'd take it over a rowdy after-hours joint. Heck, I'd even take it over most high schools. Schools generate tons of traffic, noise and rowdyism.

really!?!? crawford, where do you live? i'm fascinated with the notion of a community where a strip club would be a welcome trade for a high school! that says a lot about community standards and involvement.

[thecarl]

I'm not denouncing them. I'm saying they are there for a reason and that is because people want them there. If there was no market for them, they wouldn't be open. Strip clubs are there because there is a demand for them, too.

okay, then, cheddar bob - are you an anarchist? i mean, there's a market for hit-men too. does that make it okay?

[LeannaM]

I wouldn't want to live near a bar or strip club, but they're legal and they pay taxes. I don't approve of the activities that go on there, but they're legal, so I see no reason to drive them away. Do they bring down property values around them? Possibly. But unless there's some better business waiting to move in, driving them away will only drive away tax dollars.

No city needs strip clubs or bars or nail salons or pawn shops, or book stores or any of that stuff. A city needs hospitals, schools, government buildings, and grocery stores.

That said, are strip clubs the biggest problem in Detroit?

Biblically, is sex outside of marriage wrong? Yes. So is drunkenness, and gluttony. Let's shut down every place that sells alcohol or food, or perhaps limit how much food a person at a restaurant can order. The Bible also says to not consult with psychics. Kick all of them out of the city as well. Homosexuality is a sin. Let's be like Hitler and round them all up and shoot them. Of course, I'm being sarcastic about shooting them, so I don't mean to offend anyone. As far as sexual sins, Lust is a sin. Shut down the strip clubs, as well as any place that sells pornography. If any music promotes pre-marital or extra-marital sex, or violence, or drunkenness, let's throw out all that music as well. And of course any nude art must go.

I believe that what the Bible says is true. But you really have to pick your battles. You're wanting to kick out strip clubs, but doing nothing about the other places that promote sin. Unfortunately, the world is the way it is. If you want to kick sinful businesses out of Detroit, go ahead, but don't pick one particular sin. Kick them all out.

I do not approve of strip clubs, but you have to pick your battles. This is America. People have a right to sin as much as they want, providing that it is legal [[you can't murder someone).

Pick your battles.

[crawford]

really!?!? crawford, where do you live? i'm fascinated with the notion of a community where a strip club would be a welcome trade for a high school! that says a lot about community standards and involvement.

I live part-time in Mexico City and part-time in NYC [[Brooklyn). I have strip clubs close to me in Mexico City, and it isn't a problem at all.

In contrast, I used to live across from a high school when I was in college in Boston, and it was horrible! Screaming, yelling, litter, fights, intimidation, etc.

[thecarl]

I wouldn't want to live near a bar or strip club, but they're legal and they pay taxes. I don't approve of the activities that go on there, but they're legal, so I see no reason to drive them away. Do they bring down property values around them? Possibly. But unless there's some better business waiting to move in, driving them away will only drive away tax dollars.

No city needs strip clubs or bars or nail salons or pawn shops, or book stores or any of that stuff. A city needs hospitals, schools, government buildings, and grocery stores.

That said, are strip clubs the biggest problem in Detroit?

one might argue that murder is the biggest problem in detroit - or arson, rape, or robbery. but, each crime derives from a flaw in the social fabric. whatever can be done in detroit to create a stronger and healthier community, should be done. all the problems of detroit cannot be solved at once, but taking them on one at a time is noble. just because strip clubs may not be the biggest problem in detroit does not mean they should be ignored.

[Downtown diva]

I live part-time in Mexico City and part-time in NYC [[Brooklyn). I have strip clubs close to me in Mexico City, and it isn't a problem at all.

In contrast, I used to live across from a high school when I was in college in Boston, and it was horrible! Screaming, yelling, litter, fights, intimidation, etc.

honey, if you live in Mexico City and NYC, I have one thing to ask you....why on god green earth would you care so much about DetroitYes....isnt there a Mexicoyes?

all kidding aside, don't even go around telling anyone that having a Strip Club as a neighbor is better than having a school as a neighbor. You done lost your mind if you think we are going to fall for any of that.

[thecarl]

I live part-time in Mexico City and part-time in NYC [[Brooklyn). I have strip clubs close to me in Mexico City, and it isn't a problem at all.

In contrast, I used to live across from a high school when I was in college in Boston, and it was horrible! Screaming, yelling, litter, fights, intimidation, etc.

ah. i lived in flint michigan, and there were a lot of crystal meth dealers in my neighborhood. the people knew and respected me, and i never had an issue. now, i live in suburban detroit, and there's a playground across the street, and the constant screeching of kids - especially during the summertime, when they're mostly outdoors - can be aggravating when i'm trying to concentrate on something, or take a nap.

[crawford]

honey, if you live in Mexico City and NYC, I have one thing to ask you....why on god green earth would you care so much about DetroitYes....isnt there a Mexicoyes?

I am a native Detroiter, love the region, and may eventually move back. I cannot perform my current job in the Detroit region.

all kidding aside, don't even go around telling anyone that having a Strip Club as a neighbor is better than having a school as a neighbor. You done lost your mind if you think we are going to fall for any of that.

I didn't say that a strip club is more valuable to the community than a school; I said I would personally prefer a well-managed strip club in my vicinity over a rowdy high school.

Maybe if I lived across from Rennaisance High or a nice suburban high, it would be fine, but I would DEFINITELY prefer an 8 Mile strip club in my vicinity over a Finney High or something like that.

Inner city high schools are tremendous crime hotspots in mid afternoons. The most dangerous time and place in the inner city is late afternoon in proximity to a high school. Ask a cop. The schools get out and it's "all hands on deck" at the nearest precient.

Now I'm sure there are rowdy strip clubs, but the police should use the existing laws to shut these places down. Most I'm sure are just a place for guys to look at boobies, which [[while it certainly isn't my thing to pay to look at skanky girls) isn't a big deal, and probably helps many guys with stress and lowers the rates of assault and sex-based crime.

[thecarl]

And from the people that I have seen walk into these seedy places, I can damn well be sure that they don't look like me.

diva, are you suggesting that they're men?

[MIRepublic]

Downtown Diva, I don't know what rock you crawled from under, but you're a living, breathing, typing stereotype. Diva's a fitting name, and more likely Diva-and-a-half. You make us look bad, and you know exactly what I mean. Actually, being as obviously dense as you are, perhaps you don't know, but I'll let you guess. You can take your religious blather about 'sinning' and go proselytize on some street corner, or whatever it is you like to do on street corners...this is far from the first thread you've destroyed.

[LeannaM]

I havent fully mastered spellcheck whcih is why there are so many typos in my posts. Not bad for someone who is in my late 40s.

That's why Firefox comes in handy - spell check is built in.

[detroitsgwenivere]

I'm feelin crawford and thecarl. The reasons being givin are morally self rightous and judgementally retarded, but ....My boyfriend has lived down the block from the boobytrap his whole life and some of the problems stemming from it include drunks barreling down his street day and night at 100 miles an hour, occasionally hitting and killing a child, and helping to spur a thriving drug corridor all the way down to seven mile. It's proximity to Centerfolds and I-75 have turned that entire 8mile and jonh R corridor into a well-known decoy area notorious for attracting wierdos driving minivans WITH NO BACKSEATS if you know what I mean. The feds park in the gas station REGULARLY. But when a man tried to grab me when I was crossing eight mile, it was the boobytrap security that was there to help me, and thank god for them. I realized, it's not one strip club that's the problem, it's poor city planning. Stripjoints appear shady to me too, but judging them all seems just as ignorant as the racism being claimed on this thread. And nobody is talking about the d**kbars in this town much, are they somehow exempt?

[jtf1972]

How about we just make them keep their place clean and maybe a bit more discreet. I'd much rather pass a "Gentleman's Club" that could pass for a windowless restaurant than a purple building with a giant neon sign in the shape of tits.

[Lonyo exit]

"I havent fully mastered spellcheck whcih is why there are so many typos in my posts. Not bad for someone who is in my late 40s."


If you need spellcheck to spell simple words correctly you are a dolt. Spellcheck used to be what we called getting an education. Pretty bad for someone who is in their late 40s.