New Strip Club Rules in Detroit!

**Patrick** · June-22-09, 04:14 PM

I think the shit that goes in in strip clubs strictly depends on the type of clientele and its geography. In Detroit, ou are going to have a more urban mix full of idiots trying to keep it real and make it rain. At Jon Jons in Warren, you won't usually get that. However, you will find more green card-holding Indian guys sitting alone there just staring in awe lol. I can't even imagine the clientele or quality of women at Deja Vu on Woodward.

**Fnemecek** · June-22-09, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

Will male strippers have to wear pasties too?

Presumably, yes.

**kathy2trips** · June-22-09, 04:37 PM

Dear City Council:
You can't legislate morality; but you CAN contain it. It's a proven sociological fact. How about using the textbook from now on, kids?

How about revitalizing a run-down commercial district and build a wall around it and make it a red light district. No? Too hard? Too complicated? No bribes to be had? Wave bye bye to more tax revenue, $tupid, $tupid, $tupid!. Grade: F

This is the kiss of death to a viable, tax paying industry, not to mention Detroit. If I was mayor of Highland Park, I'd jump in that red light pool. And no border crossing! HA HA! It's basic ECON 101....

**RickBeall** · June-22-09, 04:53 PM

Another Detroit industry down the drain!

**thnk2mch** · June-22-09, 04:57 PM

How much will a NO vote be?

DetroitDad · June-22-09, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown diva

BRAVO!

Stripping is a sin!

Most of these women come from broken homes, and this should be a crime!

AND BY THE WAY, most of the people who go to thse "clubs" are from the suburbs...we dont need their immoral attitudes!

I wish that were true, I hardly think that many suburbanites outside of Highland Park and Hamtramck are going to strip clubs on 8 Mile or the radials. I knew of plenty of co-workers who lived in the City of Detroit who actually had a season pass for Deja Vu.

**thecarl** · June-22-09, 05:33 PM

seriously, if anyone believes that a strip club is simply a more-or-less innocent place where frisky, bored, or curious people go to for some exotic entertainment - there's a lot that's being overlooked. strip clubs are an equivalent to the "broken window" theory of decay. strip clubs provide a site where sexual exploitation is converted into cash equivalents, and they're a haven for drugs and violence. for abused and disenfranchised folks on either side of the stripper pole, these establishments perpetuate negative behaviors that adversely affect people's abilities to lead happy and fulfilling lives. the net effect for the community is negative.

can anyone reasonably answer the question, why do we NEED strip clubs?

DetroitDad · June-22-09, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by thecarl

seriously, if anyone believes that a strip club is simply a more-or-less innocent place where frisky, bored, or curious people go to for some exotic entertainment - there's a lot that's being overlooked. strip clubs are an equivalent to the "broken window" theory of decay. strip clubs provide a site where sexual exploitation is converted into cash equivalents, and they're a haven for drugs and violence. for abused and disenfranchised folks on either side of the stripper pole, these establishments perpetuate negative behaviors that adversely affect people's abilities to lead happy and fulfilling lives. the net effect for the community is negative.

can anyone reasonably answer the question, why do we NEED strip clubs?

Yes, for the same reason we need night clubs. Making these places illegal will not solve anything, they will still operate. When they started cracking down on night clubs, we started getting illegal dance parties known as raves. These raves were more dangerous than night clubs ever will be because there was zero regulation. Many raves didn't check identification and were hotbeds for drug use and rape. Raves also didn't bother with things like fire codes, capacity regulations, zoning regulations, or sometimes even things like supplying adequate restroom facilities. The same general scenario has played out with gambling, drinking establishments, and after hours parties. It may be reasonable to consider that the same problem would happen with strip clubs, and that they would continue to operate without permission, putting the dancers into real harms way.

I think that it should be legal, but should be restricted to the margins of society, zoned in industrial areas or red light districts, mainly for all the reasons thecarl outlined.

**softailrider** · June-22-09, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by professorscott

I'm glad to see that things are going well in Detroit overall. I mean, they must be, if the City government has time to spend on things such as this. Sheesh.

Got young punks standing out on the corner selling dope, turning streets into open air drug markets and the COD is wasting it's time on strip clubs? Also, these businesses happen to pay taxes and bring in revenue.

**Detroitnerd** · June-22-09, 06:34 PM

DD, that is not an answer to the question ...

Retroit · June-22-09, 07:25 PM

Here are my proposed rules for the Detroit Shitty Clown Show:
-Members would remain six feet from all city contractors and not accept bribes at any time.
-NO name calling, singing, or wearing of costumes in the council chambers and no travel junkets to exotic locations.
-Do your job, do your job, do your gawdam job!!!

**jams** · June-22-09, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown diva

BRAVO!

Stripping is a sin!

Most of these women come from broken homes, and this should be a crime!

AND BY THE WAY, most of the people who go to thse "clubs" are from the suburbs...we dont need their immoral attitudes!

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200...tracy_pinched/

Stosh · June-22-09, 07:39 PM

I'm beginning to switch my opinion. Maybe Councilperson Watson is DD?

**chitaku** · June-22-09, 07:48 PM

Strip clubs and Sex are bad...why because that means we have to do our jobs as parents and actually talk to our kids about responsible sex-god forbid!. Boobs are also bad and they can hurt you or corrupt your children, God does not want you to enjoy life, HE says Just go to work and pay taxes!............

Now if you'll excuse me I am going to watch an extremely violent movie where people's limbs are sliced off [[kill bill) with the Kids!

chitaku- sarcastically keeping the strip clubs alive in 2009!

**chitaku** · June-22-09, 07:53 PM

Also i have been friends with many dancing girls, and most of them are nice girls, making some good cash while in college. No they aren't being prostitutes just another stereotype in the land of stereotyping the USA!

**thecarl** · June-22-09, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown diva

nerd,

the question is "Why do we need we need strip clubs"

Apparently you didnt understand that because the question assums that WE DO need strip clubs. In my opinion, and in the opinion of many others WE DON'T need strip clubs.

So the answer that I gave to this question [[which I felt was flawed) is that WE DON'T need strip clubs.

Understood?

actually, the question in its exact form, is this: "can anyone reasonably answer the question, why do we NEED strip clubs?" the question does not so much focus on whether or not strip clubs are needed - but if there is a presumed need, what is it?

**izzyindetroit** · June-22-09, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lonyo exit

So you honestly think someone's going to buy a plane ticket and book a hotel room so they can visit one of the city's skanky, hole-in-the-wall strip clubs? One MIGHT make an argument if we had Vegas-style, high-end establishments, but Detroit?

Have another sip of Kool-Aid.

Yes. Posts #28 and #34 sum it up pretty well. With proper regulation and legislation in effect [[such as the casinos) the city could take lemons and turn them into Lemonade Kool-Aid.

**thecarl** · June-22-09, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by chitaku

Also i have been friends with many dancing girls, and most of them are nice girls, making some good cash while in college. No they aren't being prostitutes just another stereotype in the land of stereotyping the USA!

is there a line more cliched than a stripper stating, "i'm working my way through college?" that's just a feeble attempt to make the transaction seem somehow altruistic. ambitious "girls" can find a way to facilitate their aspirations without flinging off their bra and mashing their rosebuds into a horny businessman's face, and scrounging around on a beer-soaked floor to pick up the wadded-up dollars after their dance.

i likewise have known a number of dancing girls. they were mainly alcoholics who loved cocaine and deluded themselves by thinking one day they would make something of themselves, while destroying their looks, their bodies, their innocence, and their world view. they separated themselves from their dreams by getting involved with a seedy crowd, damaging their reputations in the community, and collecting arrest records. the sad thing is, they were generally very intelligent and personable. they were also into escapism, just like their customers, and found themselves doing more and more things they swore they never would.

**izzyindetroit** · June-22-09, 08:12 PM

http://metrotimes.com/culture/story.asp?id=13955

**kraig** · June-22-09, 08:36 PM

I know that a lot of people that are against Strip Clubs claim that the clubs bring crime to the neighborhood that negatively impacts the quality of life. Just curious, which business brings more crime to a neighborhood, Strip Clubs or Scrap Metal Yards?

cheddar bob · June-22-09, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown diva

BRAVO!

Stripping is a sin!

Most of these women come from broken homes, and this should be a crime!

AND BY THE WAY, most of the people who go to thse "clubs" are from the suburbs...we dont need their immoral attitudes!

Maybe stripping is a sin and maybe it's not. Who the fuck are you to regulate morality? Your religious leanings may make you feel that way, but not everybody subscribes to your religion or even your morals.

Fortunately, I'm not religious so there's nothing stopping me from going to see some strippers if I so choose. I'm glad I can make that decision and I'm not bound by your idea of what is right or wrong.

Also, do you have any evidence that, "...most of the people who go to thse "clubs" are from the suburbs"? Or is that just your opinion?

**LeannaM** · June-22-09, 09:22 PM

I don't like strip clubs, and I've never been to one. I don't approve of them.

That said, these rules will just drive strip clubs out. I realize strip clubs are a "not in my back yard" kind of place, but they do pay taxes and they take up space where restaurants and stores may not.

Obviously, Detroit is much larger, but some small towns really only have a couple restaurants/title loan places/liquor stores, and mostly strip clubs and bars.

Unless there are boatloads of more respectable businesses waiting to move in, I don't see why you would want to drive the strip clubs away.

Isn't the point of strip clubs to please men and get them drunk? Taking alcohol and lap dances away from strip clubs sounds like taking burgers and fries from McDonalds.

As a young woman, would I ever strip? Absolutely not. But these rules seem counterproductive.

And strip clubs are not needed, but if the city is desperate for tax dollars [[which most cities are it seems), I would think they would not be so picky as to what kind of businesses are operating in the city [[as long as they are, technically, "legal"). Beggars can't be choosers. Do strip clubs bring in a lot of revenue? Probably not. Does any city [[other than Vegas maybe) need them? No. However, since they exist anyway, I see no reason to drive them out.

Sludgedaddy · June-22-09, 09:29 PM

Nothing like the regulation of morality by a "Holier Than Thou" espouter of religious doctrine. There is nothing more immoral than wearing pink ladies panties behind the pulpit or offering more than a wafer to an under-age boy, while preaching against these practices. Politicians and preachers doing the toe-tap morse code in truck stop and airport rest rooms also comes to mind.

There is nothing immoral with the naked human body in all it's shapes, colors or sizes. Why can't Americans adopt the European outlook on sexuality? Religious and Political Bullshit blinds the American public. There is a special place in Hell reserved for all these hippocrites.

detroitjim · June-22-09, 09:29 PM

All Yalls just don't git it! Thems council peoples deserve more credit. Theys never gonna seriously consider any ordinances of the sort. Theys just putting the screws to them "Scrip Clubs" cuz its lection year and days needs some dem snaps[[benjamins) to fund days campaining chess'es.
Straight up point blank!

cheddar bob · June-22-09, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown diva

nerd,

the question is "Why do we need we need strip clubs"

Apparently you didnt understand that because the question assums that WE DO need strip clubs. In my opinion, and in the opinion of many others WE DON'T need strip clubs.

So the answer that I gave to this question [[which I felt was flawed) is that WE DON'T need strip clubs.

Understood?

Well, Detroit doesn't NEED wig shops, nail salons and liquor stores on every corner, either. It has them because there is a demand for them.