Detroit liquor store owner shot dead

[313WX]

BTW it will take an awful lot to scare chaldeans out of Detroit.

This is about the only place in the country where their [[by and large) sub-par stores and poor business practices are accepted, since they have a monopoly over the retail in the city.

[poobert]

BTW it will take an awful lot to scare chaldeans out of Detroit.

This is about the only place in the country where their [[by and large) sub-par stores and poor business practices are accepted, since they have a monopoly over the retail in the city.

For them, stepping out from the security booth to make any improvements is like playing Russian roulette. I don't really blame them for not giving a shit about their customers, many of whom are quite eager to rob and murder them. When I go to the store I'm much more concerned about the other customers than I am about the owners or the conditions of the store.

[bailey]

For them, stepping out from the security booth to make any improvements is like playing Russian roulette. I don't really blame them for not giving a shit about their customers, many of whom are quite eager to rob and murder them. When I go to the store I'm much more concerned about the other customers than I am about the owners or the conditions of the store.

The question is how much of that is a negative feedback loop?

If you run a shitty fortress of a store and sell loosies, mad dog, and marked up spoiled food from behind a bullet proof wall, what clientele are you going to attract?

But, of course, you need to cater your store to the clientele most likely to walk through the door.....

So, I guess the question is; which negative feed back is feeding the loop?

[TKshreve]

The question is how much of that is a negative feedback loop?

If you run a shitty fortress of a store and sell loosies, mad dog, and marked up spoiled food from behind a bullet proof wall, what clientele are you going to attract?

But, of course, you need to cater your store to the clientele most likely to walk through the door.....

So, I guess the question is; which negative feed back is feeding the loop?

Nobody is going to open a Spartan store or a fruit stand hoping that Detroiter's wake up and realize what is best for them. Sorry charlie. It would be just another target for theft and robbery.

[jolla]

Nobody is going to open a Spartan store or a fruit stand hoping that Detroiter's wake up and realize what is best for them. Sorry charlie. It would be just another target for theft and robbery.

I agree with your point, but Lafayette Foods is a Spartan store.

http://www.lafayettefoods.com/

[Wheels]

BTW it will take an awful lot to scare chaldeans out of Detroit.

This is about the only place in the country where their [[by and large) sub-par stores and poor business practices are accepted, since they have a monopoly over the retail in the city.

Have you ever stopped to think about why Chaldean's own all the small business in Detroit? There were no Chaldean's in what is now called Chaldean
Town before 1967. I lived on Brush st. through the 50s and 60s. Chaldean's started arriving in the late 60s after the riots. They started buying up party stores in that area and worked there asses off 24/7 to make a living. When they made enough money they brought over more relatives and gave them jobs and keep expanding. In the mean time the white flight was in full swing and they had no problem buying up every retail in the area.

Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.


As far as your complaint about there poor business practice they now own stores and gas stations etc. all across the state. Outside of Detroit where there is respect for property they run a clean business or they don't have have any business.

[Detroit Stylin]

Have you ever stopped to think about why Chaldean's own all the small business in Detroit? There were no Chaldean's in what is now called Chaldean
Town before 1967. I lived on Brush st. through the 50s and 60s. Chaldean's started arriving in the late 60s after the riots. They started buying up party stores in that area and worked there asses off 24/7 to make a living. When they made enough money they brought over more relatives and gave them jobs and keep expanding. In the mean time the white flight was in full swing and they had no problem buying up every retail in the area.

Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.


As far as your complaint about there poor business practice they now own stores and gas stations etc. all across the state. Outside of Detroit where there is respect for property they run a clean business or they don't have have any business.

You cannot possibly be that stupid.....

[kathy2trips]

You cannot possibly be that stupid.....

Oh, do elaborate! Passive-agressiveness is not a response. I want to hear this.

[Wheels]

Oh, do elaborate! Passive-agressiveness is not a response. I want to hear this.

Consider the source and let it go.

[brizee]

Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.

That is an insulting, and extremely stupid, thing to say.

And to be on topic it sucks monumentally another person lost his life for no reason.

[Danny]

Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.

Most of them flight to the suburbs or any other successful American city not just because the follow white folks with the money, but to get away from the mayhem coming from second wave black folks who didn't get a solid good education, playing house, making babies, doing and selling drugs, joining gangs and getting into a life of crime like they don't care about life or other people's repect.

Folks, fixing any black, white, Asians, Mexicans or alien communities in the ghettoes starts with the family:

1. Fix the family, fix the home.

2. Fix the home, fix the community.

3. fix the community, fix the infrastructure.

4. fix the infrastructure, fix the ecomony.

5 fix the ecomony, fix the nation.

6. fix the nation, fix the world.

And then trouble will be reduced to trickle in the ground, easy to be stumped out.

There will be no perfect utopia in Earth, but in God's Kingdom.

[Zacha341]

Yes! Say it loud!

Folks, fixing any black, white, Asians, Mexicans or alien communities in the ghettoes starts with the family:

1. Fix the family, fix the home.

2. Fix the home, fix the community.

3. fix the community, fix the infrastructure.

4. fix the infrastructure, fix the ecomony.

5 fix the ecomony, fix the nation.

6. fix the nation, fix the world.

And then trouble will be reduced to trickle in the ground, easy to be stumped out.

There will be no perfect utopia in Earth, but in God's Kingdom.

[Johnnny5]

Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.

There's also the small issue of financing. Many Arabs and Chaldeans make use of family connections to finance their business ventures. That's an option most black Detroiters simply do not have available to them.

[Detroit Stylin]

There's also the small issue of financing. Many Arabs and Chaldeans make use of family connections to finance their business ventures. That's an option most black Detroiters simply do not have available to them.

No Johnny5....remember let the small minded continue to consider the source and let it go....

Facts only cause them to realize their myopic way of thinking is fatally flawed...

[Wheels]

No Johnny5....remember let the small minded continue to consider the source and let it go....

Facts only cause them to realize their myopic way of thinking is fatally flawed...

An observation is not a fact. If you have any facts lets hear them.

From my observation there were a lot of family's pooling together and sharing living space and sharing responsibility to run a business. There was no fairy Godmother that handed them the keys.

[GUSHI]

I kinda agree w wheel,here and not just about Chaldeans ,Albanians w the coneys in the hood did the same thing,families lived together and worked together, very common to have a few generations living in the same home/working at the family business

An observation is not a fact. If you have any facts lets hear them.

From my observation there were a lot of family's pooling together and sharing living space and sharing responsibility to run a business. There was no fairy Godmother that handed them the keys.

[Meddle]

very common to have a few generations living in the same home/working at the family business

That didn't involve drugs or thuggery.

[MSUguy]

There's also the small issue of financing. Many Arabs and Chaldeans make use of family connections to finance their business ventures. That's an option most black Detroiters simply do not have available to them.

Who needs fact when you can say they were simply a bunch of lazy nig....s

[SteveJ]

There's also the small issue of financing. Many Arabs and Chaldeans make use of family connections to finance their business ventures. That's an option most black Detroiters simply do not have available to them.

Most started by working low wage jobs, 16 hours a day 7 days a week along with other family members and pooling it together to open a business. They didn't have any special family financing. They opened stores in some horrible areas and the whole family worked all day. Its not possible for most Detroiters since they can't even shovel their sidewalk or mow their grass.

[internet_pseudopod]

Most started by working low wage jobs, 16 hours a day 7 days a week along with other family members and pooling it together to open a business. They didn't have any special family financing. They opened stores in some horrible areas and the whole family worked all day.

Its not possible for most Detroiters since they can't even shovel their sidewalk or mow their grass.

<----Wow, that probably wasn't necessary. But anyway...

Actually, having access to free/low cost labor is something that most non-immigrants don't have. The fact is that most ghetto shopkeepers posses the one or more of the following characteristics 1)education 2)experience, 3)access to free/low cost labor 4)capital 5)some deficiency that obstructs access to safer, high quality wage work[[like low English skills).

These individuals are savvy AND hard working AND probably have some advantages that helped make them successful. Telling the story any other way sells everyone short.

[poobert]

Most started by working low wage jobs, 16 hours a day 7 days a week along with other family members and pooling it together to open a business. They didn't have any special family financing. They opened stores in some horrible areas and the whole family worked all day. Its not possible for most Detroiters since they can't even shovel their sidewalk or mow their grass.

I really hate to agree with this guy...
but working in your fathers' store 7 days a week keeps you busy and keeps cash in your pocket. The family unity is also absolutely tribal. You see the opposite in the rest of Detroit with no father and total idleness, sitting around, blaring music, looking for trouble. Then we see the results. It's the elephant in the room, frankly. Dancing around it with amorphous phrases like "access to special financing" is idiotic.

[Zacha341]

Yep. Alot of it boils down to values, VALUES, V-A-L-U-E-S!

Dysfunctional homes, families, lack of leadership, work ethic and lack of appropriate values in general all make up the 'elephant'. Couple this with a complete distortion of delayed gratification or understanding of how one gains wealth and self worth from effort and choices or taking pride in simple accomplishments. Instead the 'bling' factor too often rules...

Case in point a friends teen age son being called a 'chump' as he walks by on his way to his McDonalds job last summer as his peers [[sic) 'chill' sitting on their porch dreaming of long cash and fancy high profile cars they could never insure. Never less pay a car note on. Now there are even less jobs for teens - even the fast food ones, as adults with degrees are competing for these jobs.

Eroding family unity abounds - not just in the urban setting, but the outworking here in Detroit is highly connected to homicides from the drive to get the fast cash and street cred: 'respect'.

I really hate to agree with this guy...

but working in your fathers' store 7 days a week keeps you busy and keeps cash in your pocket. The family unity is also absolutely tribal. You see the opposite in the rest of Detroit with no father and total idleness, sitting around, blaring music, looking for trouble. Then we see the results. It's the elephant in the room, frankly. Dancing around it with amorphous phrases like "access to special financing" is idiotic.